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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #6122
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    So New Zealand is virus free with a grand total of 19 dead. Ireland has eleven hundred and counting and is ranked 7th worst Country in the World.

    A damning indictment of the Government's handling of the situation?

    Long time no see - still spouting the same nonsense


  • #6123
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,194 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    So a few here might remember me ranting about the pub I work for and their total neglect for the measures people were asked to follow before the bars were forced to close. Well now they are opening for collection of pints :/ guess barwork is an essential service.

    Are people so desperate for a pint, surely they could go buy a can and fill a glass
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #6124
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Long time no see - still spouting the same nonsense

    What was nonsensical in that post?


  • #6125
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    What was nonsensical in that post?

    Comparing us to NZ


  • #6126
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Are people so desperate for a pint, surely they could go buy a can and fill a glass




    I heard this sh*te being talked about in the local radio over the weekend. Only thing that'll cool off those types is a very rainy weekend.:pac:


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  • #6127
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Comparing us to NZ
    Why? Who should we be compared to?


  • #6128
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Why? Who should we be compared to?

    UK!


  • #6129
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,130 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    So New Zealand is virus free with a grand total of 19 dead. Ireland has eleven hundred and counting and is ranked 7th worst Country in the World.

    A damning indictment of the Government's handling of the situation?

    I don’t know where to begin with this post


  • #6130
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    The UK is far more densely populated than us. We've got plenty of space and very few large urban areas (like New Zealand) yet right now we're in 7th position in the World.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/


  • #6131
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    callaway92 wrote: »
    I don’t know where to begin with this post

    Try :rolleyes:


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  • #6132
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Yet there are claims from antibody tests that up to 30% of New York got infected.
    New York antibody test was presumably conducted in laboratory settings rather than the pin prick one on RTE tonight.


  • #6133
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    marno21 wrote: »
    New York antibody test was presumably conducted in laboratory settings rather than the pin prick one on RTE tonight.

    Wouldn't be putting any faith in any antibody tests being accurate - last I checked the most accurate one was only 60% accurate - not even worth doing, may as well toss a coin
    The UK batch they bought from Ireland was deemed to be even less accurate than that IIRC


  • #6134
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Why? Who should we be compared to?

    Not NZ anyway,

    NZ and Australia has some of the most strictest immigration laws in the world and their not part of a economic union that has a population of a few hundred million people


  • #6135
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    fritzelly wrote: »
    UK!

    Haha why should a country of around 5 Million compare itself to a country's who's capital has a bigger population


  • #6136
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Haha why should a country of around 5 Mlion compare itself to a country's who's capital has a bigger population

    Because it is just as nonsensical


  • #6137
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Because it is just as nonsensical

    So who do you want us to compare us too? Portugal, land border beside Spain nearly same cases as us and deaths, Double population


  • #6138
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,184 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The Irish Council of Civil Liberties are giving out about the garda

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/concerns-raised-about-inappropriate-armed-garda%C3%AD-in-covid-19-operations-1.4239272?mode=amp


  • #6139
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Not NZ anyway,

    NZ and Australia has some of the most strictest immigration laws in the world and their not part of a economic union that has a population of a few hundred million people

    Isn't that precisely why we should be comparing ourselves to them? Because of our ridiculous response regarding our borders in the beginning?

    You're merely confirming that in order to adhere to project EU we willingly kept our borders open out of a devotion to the political notion of 'free movement of people'.

    I've never heard anything so utterly at odds with public safety in my life.


  • #6140
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The Irish Council of Civil Liberties are giving out about the garda

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/concerns-raised-about-inappropriate-armed-garda%C3%AD-in-covid-19-operations-1.4239272?mode=amp

    So basically the garda have done nothing wrong but they are finding things to give out about that have zero relevance on the job their doing - like whats the policy on using pepper spray, hmmm has it been used - no. Armed garda doing their job - have they shot anyone - no and so on and so on
    Gemma level of thinking there - they were also giving out about the restrictions when they came in - suppose they've got to be seen to be doing their job else they lose their funding.


  • #6141
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Haha why should a country of around 5 Million compare itself to a country's who's capital has a bigger population

    There's a mania out there to defend the Government and its open borders policy at all costs. Someone the other night posted that its harder to close Ireland's borders than the USA's......and it got half a dozen "likes"!


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  • #6142
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,130 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Try :rolleyes:

    -Population Density difference in NZ
    -Less travel in and out of there
    -Countries testing less and / or reporting deaths differently.

    Now fúck off with your eye rolls


  • #6143
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    callaway92 wrote: »
    -Population Density difference in NZ
    Lol. Our population density is very low too. We're more comparable with NZ than most Countries in that regard. What Countries do you think we're more comparable with?
    callaway92 wrote: »
    Less travel in and out of there

    Now you're talking. Shouldn't we have done something about that at the beginning?
    callaway92 wrote: »
    Countries testing less and / or reporting deaths differently.
    So there's no Countries that are comparable with any other? The statistics are meaningless?

    Is it because we're not coming up favourably that all of a sudden Countries can't be compared?


  • #6144
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    We should compare ourselves with S. Korea, because we stated early on that we were going to follow their model.

    Pop. density is not very meaningful. Take an extreme example like Algeria, very low pop density, but in fact everybody packed together in a thin strip along the coast. Or Denmark including Greenland.

    A different way of representing how closely people are living together is needed for meaningful comparisons.


  • #6145
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    We should compare ourselves with S. Korea, because we stated early on that we were going to follow their model.

    Indeed. I don't know what model they were following but it wasn't S. Korea's :(


  • #6146
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,130 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Lol. Our population density is very low too. We're more comparable with NZ than most Countries in that regard. What Countries do you think we're more comparable with?



    Now you're talking. Shouldn't we have done something about that at the beginning?


    No - because there’s very little travel in NZ naturally anyway


  • #6147
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    callaway92 wrote: »
    No - because there’s very little travel in NZ naturally anyway

    So what country should we compare ourselves too that are a similar size and routes in etc..


  • #6148
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    So what country should we compare ourselves too that are a similar size and routes in etc..

    Riddle me this - a country of the same size, same population, same population density and actually reporting all known cases and all deaths where covid is present


  • #6149
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Riddle me this - a country of the same size, same population, same population density and actually reporting all known cases and all deaths where covid is present

    Are we reporting all deaths correctly? From the start we have been fed a load of lies, we will have X amount tests done, we hope not to reach X amount cases by a certain date, all which were described as nonsense by senior doctors and it continues day on day


  • #6150
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    So what country should we compare ourselves too that are a similar size and routes in etc..

    To what end? Blame someone or something, or say we're great at something? Each country is unique in how it's affected and what the response should have been.

    It looks like we're getting on better than our nearest neighbor due to early decision making, but should have put extra measures in place for nursing homes (of course, at the time everything was stretched so thin, this was probably impossible, but Captain Hindsight to the rescue!).

    Our leaders haven't suggested drinking bleach yet, so we're ahead of the world's biggest economy on that one. They also avoided a tub thumping speech about beating the virus, only to be hospitalised by it a few days later, so great at avoiding jingoism as well.


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  • #6151
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Are we reporting all deaths correctly? From the start we have been fed a load of lies, we will have X amount tests done, we hope not to reach X amount cases by a certain date, all which were described as nonsense by senior doctors and it continues day on day

    I think the doctors and experts at the top have been fairly good and clear, we tested till we ran out of tests, then had to get more, so testing went down, we sourced PPE, which had some issues that have been corrected. We're tracking and noting all cases of death, even saying when COVID is confirmed or likely, and backfilling previous numbers that aren't confirmed immediately.

    I don't think we were clear enough with people to assume they had the virus if they had symptoms, and don't wait for a test result to say so, I really don't understand people's thinking here, if you're sick, isolate, stay away from everyone, if it gets worse, go to hospital, the test result isn't needed for all that to happen.


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