Better Call Saul Spoilers

artvanderlay · 26-04-2020 08:45PM

I think I never warmed to Kim because we don't really know where she is coming from. Apart from one flashback when she was a kid, showing her stubborn side, all we know is her devotion to Jimmy. What is her motivation for this? Also, does she not have any other people in her life (friends/family), that might give her a bit more depth? She is quite one-dimensional, and just an odd character. If you told me she turns out to be a robot programmed to be loyal to Jimmy, it would make as much sense as her constant volte-face throughout the course of the show.

gormdubhgorm · 26-04-2020 10:01PM

artvanderlay wrote: »

I think I never warmed to Kim because we don't really know where she is coming from. Apart from one flashback when she was a kid, showing her stubborn side, all we know is her devotion to Jimmy. What is her motivation for this? Also, does she not have any other people in her life (friends/family), that might give her a bit more depth? She is quite one-dimensional, and just an odd character. If you told me she turns out to be a robot programmed to be loyal to Jimmy, it would make as much sense as her constant volte-face throughout the course of the show.

I agree I used to have sympathy for Kim as a character. I could see a consistency in her decisions. The quick 180 made no sense to me.

leggo · 27-04-2020 12:03AM

artvanderlay wrote: »

I think I never warmed to Kim because we don't really know where she is coming from. Apart from one flashback when she was a kid, showing her stubborn side, all we know is her devotion to Jimmy. What is her motivation for this? Also, does she not have any other people in her life (friends/family), that might give her a bit more depth? She is quite one-dimensional, and just an odd character. If you told me she turns out to be a robot programmed to be loyal to Jimmy, it would make as much sense as her constant volte-face throughout the course of the show.

It’s not a viewpoint I’d agree with or see myself tbh, but you’re entitled to it. I don’t think every character needs an origin story personally, TV and movies tend to focus on the interesting arc of someone’s life that’s worth writing a story about. We don’t know about Howard’s origins really beyond basically being the same person we met at the beginning of the show and starting HHM with Chuck. We don’t know Lalo or any of the Salamancas’ origins either for example, but we don’t really need to. We didn’t even ask why Saul was Saul until they came up with the idea for this show.

Kim grew up with an alcoholic mother and we’re to assume took on the responsibility for her family instead of her mother, we can also infer that her propensity for pro bono work and trying to help ‘save’ helpless clients was born out of trying to ‘save’ her Mam (she’s teaching her a lesson in the one scene we’ve seen of them together). Hence she’s a high-achieving workaholic because she probably needed to be. She very likely also never got to have a childhood for that reason, plus we’ve seen her get slighted and walked all over like Jimmy coming up in the lawyer game (two different firms tried to strongarm her with Mesa Verde), so I can see how they connect and how someone who brings out a sense of childlike fun and mischief in her makes her tick. I mean for me that one scene answered a LOT of questions I’d have had about her, and the glaring obviousness of those questions from early on also suggests the writers had them in mind rather than just trying to fill in blanks, everyone who brings it up remarks how she’s out of Jimmy’s league for example. Is there more that needs answering beyond what’s going to happen?

deandean · 27-04-2020 12:04AM

Anyone looking for a follow-upper to BCS: I recommend Ozark (on Netflix).
I'm glued to it!

Homelander · 27-04-2020 11:02AM

deandean wrote: »

Anyone looking for a follow-upper to BCS: I recommend Ozark (on Netflix).
I'm glued to it!

Yeah it's a good show and the closest fix to BB/BCS you can get. It's also very fast paced, despite it being 10 episodes of an hour each, they pack so much into each episode, no slow burn there.

gormdubhgorm · 27-04-2020 11:04AM

deandean wrote: »

Anyone looking for a follow-upper to BCS: I recommend Ozark (on Netflix).
I'm glued to it!

Homelander wrote: »

Yeah it's a good show and the closest fix to BB/BCS you can get. It's also very fast paced, despite it being 10 episodes of an hour each, they pack so much into each episode, no slow burn there.

I will look that up so have no clue what it is a about though. So I will have an open mind.

optogirl · 27-04-2020 11:59AM

artvanderlay wrote: »

I think I never warmed to Kim because we don't really know where she is coming from. Apart from one flashback when she was a kid, showing her stubborn side, all we know is her devotion to Jimmy. What is her motivation for this? Also, does she not have any other people in her life (friends/family), that might give her a bit more depth? She is quite one-dimensional, and just an odd character. If you told me she turns out to be a robot programmed to be loyal to Jimmy, it would make as much sense as her constant volte-face throughout the course of the show.

I didn't see that flashback as showing her stubborn side so much as seeing how damaged she was from having an alcoholic and presumably not very attentive mother...and possibly nobody else. It does however seem really strange that she keeps saying 'Ok Jimmy, this mad sh*t just happened but now it's over and you'll stop' despite her, Jimmy & us knowing that's not true. They are actually not very honest with each other at all.

leggo · 27-04-2020 05:18PM

optogirl wrote: »

I didn't see that flashback as showing her stubborn side so much as seeing how damaged she was from having an alcoholic and presumably not very attentive mother...and possibly nobody else. It does however seem really strange that she keeps saying 'Ok Jimmy, this mad sh*t just happened but now it's over and you'll stop' despite her, Jimmy & us knowing that's not true. They are actually not very honest with each other at all.

That’s classic addict behaviour though: tell yourself that last time was the last time while quietly plotting the next time. Their hypocrisy is on show all season, that pledge of honesty was a lie in itself that both knew wouldn’t keep but needed to be there to save an ultimately doomed relationship. And even though Kim had drawn this red line when she knew Jimmy was lying to her a matter of days later she went the opposite direction and supported him lying. Like in the last episode alone she said that they’d stop a couple times, then it was actually her suggesting and pushing for the next dangerous idea. That’s not a plothole, it’s by design.

EltonJohn69 · 27-04-2020 05:54PM

Ozark is the poor mans BB BCS... if you want something amazing checkout patriot on Amazon

Slippin Jimmy · 27-04-2020 08:31PM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Ozark is the poor mans BB BCS... if you want something amazing checkout patriot on Amazon

Ozark is pretty good. Not comparable to BCS OR BB. I'll check out patriot.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 27-04-2020 09:14PM

Slippin Jimmy wrote: »

Ozark is pretty good. Not comparable to BCS OR BB. I'll check out patriot.

Will check out Patriot myself. I need something to fill the void. Never took to Ozark myself. The writing on the first season was poor. Does it get better. Is it worth a watch?

kenmm · 28-04-2020 09:06AM

Unforgotten - not the same as BCS/BB but a good (UK - US Remake on the way) police drama with decent characters.

3 series of it - each follows 3 different stories over 6 episodes - been a good watch so far (Well - I watched series 2 and half way through 3 - so forgive me if the first turns out to be sh!te!)

Mr E · 28-04-2020 11:24AM

Mod: Let's get back to talking about this show, guys. Cheers. Start a new thread if you're looking for recommendations.

McGrath5 · 28-04-2020 11:27AM

When are we likely to see season 6? Possibly 2 years away?

Penfailed · 28-04-2020 11:36AM

McGrath5 wrote: »

When are we likely to see season 6? Possibly 2 years away?

Yeah, I'd say 2022 at the earliest. The actors will have visibly aged a lot in that time. It's already annoying some people and will probably annoy them even more then. It doesn't really spoil my enjoyment in any way.

rubadub · 28-04-2020 11:38AM

https://www.techradar.com/news/better-call-saul-season-6-release-date

Better Call Saul cast: will more Breaking Bad characters return?

Better Call Saul wouldn’t exist without the man himself, so Odenkirk will return as Goodman. The Better Call Saul season 6 cast list isn’t confirmed, but we’ll certainly see more from Rhea Seehorn (Kim Wexler), Jonathan Banks (Mike Ehrmantraut), Patrick Fabian (Howard Hamlin), Micheal Mando (Nacho Varga), Giancarlo Esposito (Gus Fring), and Tony Dalton (Lalo Salamanca).

But while Gould has already confirmed that we won’t see Jesse (Aaron Paul) or Walter (Bryan Cranston), could we see any other Breaking Bad cameos? We were already treated to the return of Hank (Dean Norris) and his DEA buddy, Steven (Steven Michael Quezada) in season 5...

Penfailed · 28-04-2020 11:46AM

rubadub wrote: »

https://www.techradar.com/news/better-call-saul-season-6-release-date

I didn't realise that it had been confirmed that WW and Jessie wouldn't be appearing. It's kinda disappointing in a way.

What about Skinny Pete and Badger

Penn · 28-04-2020 12:31PM

rubadub wrote: »

https://www.techradar.com/news/better-call-saul-season-6-release-date

Can't imagine how we'd see any more of the main characters unless we just get another bit of Hank & Gomez. Maybe the likes of Bill Burr's character (Kirby, I think) or maybe Saul/Kim have to represent someone suing Ted Beneke or Elliot/Gretchen. But Bill Burr's character is the only other realistic option that might show up naturally, anyone else would largely be shoe-horned in.

leggo · 28-04-2020 12:33PM

I think we got a lot of our final BB cameos boxed off in El Camino, and they fit better there tbh. While I'm totally up for some crossover, I'd prefer it to be naturally done and the final season of BCS focuses on the characters from this we care about rather than shoehorning BB in and showing that that's the 'main' story. I'm even okay with Saul, Mike and Gus being used more as auxiliary figures to move the plot around: they've pretty much developed to the point that we met them in BB now. For me, the final season is all about what happens to Kim, Nacho and Lalo.

I've full faith they'll get this balance right and won't Rise of Skywalker it.

gormdubhgorm · 28-04-2020 12:41PM

leggo wrote: »

I think we got a lot of our final BB cameos boxed off in El Camino, and they fit better there tbh. While I'm totally up for some crossover, I'd prefer it to be naturally done and the final season of BCS focuses on the characters from this we care about rather than shoehorning BB in and showing that that's the 'main' story. I'm even okay with Saul, Mike and Gus being used more as auxiliary figures to move the plot around: they've pretty much developed to the point that we met them in BB now. For me, the final season is all about what happens to Kim, Nacho and Lalo.

I've full faith they'll get this balance right and won't Rise of Skywalker it.

I didn't think much of El Camino to be honest, felt like it was unnecessary. Bit of a vanity project. Or like someone taking an extra course module after the main course was finished.
However, I am fairly confident at this stage that we will get a decent finale. Plenty of ground work laid after the last episode of this season.

Slydice · 29-04-2020 10:57PM

Back in catch-up.

5.9: It all feels like this is coming down to what happens to Kim now. Does she just go off on her own way because Saul lied, does she become some kinda secret partner, or .. does Lalo come back with a bunch of hitmen.

human 19 · 30-04-2020 12:34AM

Are they still married in Breaking Bad? Im looking forward to seeing how he picks the dingy office he ended up in. Also curious to see how he will look after his problem in the present . I would love it if the final scene of the series was Walter walking into his office for the first time, and...cut.

Penn · 30-04-2020 08:48AM

human 19 wrote: »

Are they still married in Breaking Bad? Im looking forward to seeing how he picks the dingy office he ended up in. Also curious to see how he will look after his problem in the present . I would love it if the final scene of the series was Walter walking into his office for the first time, and...cut.

No mention of Kim or any wife in Breaking Bad, so what happens to Kim is completely up in the air. I doubt the final scene will be Walt walking into his office. It's something we've already seen and not that dramatic a moment. A nice throwback and maybe might be featured in the last episode, the last shot of Saul from the past or something. But I'd say it's more likely the final shot will be to do with present-day Gene

Tork · 30-04-2020 11:04AM

The showrunners here aren't David Lynch so I expect they'll tie this up nicely. Breaking Bad ended well - that's why El Camino felt like an unnecessary epilogue. I expect that they'll move into the future and resolve Gene's story. Those flash-forwards have been at the start of every season so it'd be a fitting book-end to the series if it ends in that timeline.

It won't bother me if we never get to see Walter White or Jesse in this. It would've detracted from it in the early seasons. Now the show is standing so well on its own two feet, with its own identity, it would be a bit of a cheap gag. I've enjoyed seeing other characters from BB showing up here but I can't see how Walt and Jesse would fit in.

Slydice · 30-04-2020 08:28PM

5.10: WOW! Absolute Scenes there with Lalo! Oh, there is gonna be a reckonin!

Kim.. yeah.. now it looks like she's gonna dig herself into a bad hole and Jimmy will be stuck there watching it .. unable to stop it.. thinking he's somehow responsible for it.. Could she go overboard on Howard and he kills her.. could it be Lalo.. I dunno.

06-05-2020 12:15AM

Finally got around to finishing this. I'm kinda bored. Lalo is great. That's about it. Found myself checking out mentally whenever Kim and Saul are talking.

Slydice · 06-05-2020 08:41PM

Ah!

So only 10 episodes in season 5 then.

adox · 18-06-2020 10:50PM

Binged watched season 5 over the last three nights and it’s probably the strongest season for me, let down by an awful ending.

I mean the ending was piss poor.

Irish_rat · 20-06-2020 06:58PM

Binged watched this lately. His brother dying was the best thing to happen to the show.

Penfailed · 20-06-2020 07:18PM

adox wrote: »

I mean the ending was piss poor.

Remind me what the ending was? I can't remember what happened...but I also can't remember thinking it was piss poor.

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