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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #3062
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Spencer Brown wrote: »
    I think it's you who has zero understanding of reality. What's your expectation? That people won't be able to interact with others outside their families for months to come?

    That is a distinct possibility, yes.

    Otherwise there is a real danger that the effects of a second mass wave and severe lockdown will be devastating. Worse even than not being able to bbq this year.


  • #3063
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    Spencer Brown wrote: »
    I think it's you who has zero understanding of reality. What's your expectation? That people won't be able to interact with others outside their families for months to come?

    For an on and off basis yes. Periodic relaxing and tightening of restrictions in response to the spread of the virus to preserve our ICU capacity is here as long as the virus is. A period of 12-18months is more realistic. Anything else is cognitive dissonance


  • #3064
    helimachoptor
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,738 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    kenmm wrote: »
    Hard to know, but ,may as well be 000s if it spreads as fast as they reckon. But I guess they have to model it and maybe a possibility.

    The risk for me is that we have done all this and kept it under control. The economy can sort of survive this. If we need to go through all this sh!t again in quick succession, then fu(k knows the impact.



    I still woouldn't not be going anywhere near the parents or anyone close to being at risk.


    I agree, people need to be sensible or we'll end up in a mess again.


  • #3065
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Spencer Brown wrote: »
    I think it's you who has zero understanding of reality. What's your expectation? That people won't be able to interact with others outside their families for months to come?

    Nothing to do with my expectations.

    It's about what will work with this virus and groups of people meeting up for parties will have us back to square one in a few days.


  • #3066
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Penfailed wrote: »
    They have. If they are obeying their own rules, they shouldn't be crossing the border.
    Complete nonsense.


    There is no distance limit within the Occupied Six Counties so the RUC have no authority to prevent people crossing the so-called "border".


    In fact, even exercising within 2km of my own home I could enter the Free State as it is less than 2km from my house.


    But as I said no such distance limit exists so your post is entirely bogus and you should retract it immediately.


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  • #3067
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,173 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    kenmm wrote: »

    I still wouldn't not be going anywhere near the parents or anyone close to being at risk.

    I dunno, I've been pretty much self isolating here. Only potential risk factor for me is the trips to the supermarket but my parents are in the same boat with their trips to the supermarket and that risk itself is low if you take precautions.

    This will probably change as things open up more and there are more opportunities for me to get out of the house but at the moment I'd be happy to visit them given my lack of exposure over the past few weeks.


  • #3068
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    amadangomor wrote: »
    Nothing to do with my expectations.

    It's about what will work with this virus and groups of people meeting up for parties will have us back to square one in a few days.

    We are back to the start of the year in some respects, where people don't understand exponential growth patterns in relation to infectious disease.


    Thing is, it is hard to understand. And right now (even although I have seen lots of people not giving a fu(k), generally the majority have. and thats been enough to keep this under control, but right now is not the time to be complacent.


  • #3069
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    amadangomor wrote: »
    Nothing to do with my expectations.

    It's about what will work with this virus and groups of people meeting up for parties will have us back to square one in a few days.

    You better let the experts know so! You do realise Italy have told football clubs they can go back group training in 3 weeks? There won't be any issue with small gatherings here in the very near future, the point of limiting numbers is to ensure that people's interactions are with a reasonably limited no. of people so that contact tracing is possible.


  • #3070
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Complete nonsense.


    There is no distance limit within the Occupied Six Counties so the RUC have no authority to prevent people crossing the so-called "border".


    In fact, even exercising within 2km of my own home I could enter the Free State as it is less than 2km from my house.


    But as I said no such distance limit exists so your post is entirely bogus and you should retract it immediately.

    What occupied six counties are you referring to? Those in Munster that are inhabited by people?

    The RUC don't have authority over anyone consdering they no longer are an entity. I think you'll find that the PSNI have jurisdiction in Northern Ireland.

    The free state ceased to exist in 1937. The country is now known as Ireland.


  • #3071
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    helimachoptor wrote: »
    We've been under mobility restrictions for a number of weeks, reproduction number is abiut 0.5, sounds about right?

    Keep social distancing, allow people to see their friends and family in a controlled and sensible way.

    People won't social distance in these situations. That 0.5 would rocket to 2 or 3 very quickly. Bit crap but for me it's the reality unfortunately.

    Can see the 2km being changed to 5 or 6 but that will be it.


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  • #3072
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    kenmm wrote: »
    We are back to the start of the year in some respects, where people don't understand exponential growth patterns in relation to infectious disease.


    Thing is, it is hard to understand. And right now (even although I have seen lots of people not giving a fu(k), generally the majority have. and thats been enough to keep this under control, but right now is not the time to be complacent.

    Well you better get making some Keep Out signs for your door because if we follow the lead of other countries in relaxing the restrictions this will be one of the first few phases


  • #3073
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Stark wrote: »
    I dunno, I've been pretty much self isolating here. Only potential risk factor for me is the trips to the supermarket but my parents are in the same boat with their trips to the supermarket and that risk itself is low if you take precautions.

    This will probably change as things open up more and there are more opportunities for me to get out of the house but at the moment I'd be happy to visit them given my lack of exposure over the past few weeks.

    Fair enough, but consider it from this point of view - restriction lift and virus starts to spread again. Right now if it was just you and your parent allowed to travel to each other (and everyone else were on lockdown) then it would be low risk. As soon as the restrictions are lifted, the chance of you getting will of course go up. Therefore I wouldn't want to risk those that might not be able to fight it as well as I could.


    I don't know your parents situation, but if they are a certain age they shouldn't even be doing the supermarket trip if at all possible.


  • #3074
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    almostover wrote: »
    The RUC don't have authority over anyone consdering they no longer are an entity.
    Not an entity?

    Clearly you are unaware that the so-called PSNI's official title is the "Police Service of Northern Ireland (incorporating the RUC GC)."


  • #3075
    yrreg0850
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭yrreg0850


    Ellie1988 wrote: »
    You'll get a few more people upset than just those in SF.

    Dont think they have a set limit like the 2km here but they have police etc patrolling and stopping cars anyway, same way they do in ROI

    If you are a resident in the republic you can be forced to return home or, arrested if you refuse so, but, once you cross the border, if you are a NI resident you can travel a far for as long as you wish.


  • #3076
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    almostover wrote: »
    The country is now known as Ireland.
    Wrong.


    Ireland has 32 Counties - NOT 26.


  • #3077
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    Spencer Brown wrote: »
    You better let the experts know so! You do realise Italy have told football clubs they can go back group training in 3 weeks? There won't be any issue with small gatherings here in the very near future, the point of limiting numbers is to ensure that people's interactions are with a reasonably limited no. of people so that contact tracing is possible.

    Italy have a great track record at containing this virus alright. I think we should be cautious in our approach. Ease the restrictions slowly but surely and be prepared to tighten up if there's evidence of a large outbreak.


  • #3078
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    almostover wrote: »
    Italy have a great track record at containing this virus alright. I think we should be cautious in our approach. Ease the restrictions slowly but surely and be prepared to tighten up if there's evidence of a large outbreak.

    It's very easy to point the finger at Italy. They had very little advance warning unlike us.


  • #3079
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    This thread needed more Risteard.


  • #3080
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Wrong.


    Ireland has 32 Counties - NOT 26.

    Time for a history lesson. The island of Ireland has 32 counties. The country named Ireland has 26. We forfeited our ownership of the 6 counties in the north east of the Island when we voted in favour of the Good Friday Agreement. An agreement which was accepted by the majority in both jurisdictions.

    Now enough of that, back to COVID-19 and the related restrictions.


  • #3081
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    RoryMac wrote: »
    Well you better get making some Keep Out signs for your door because if we follow the lead of other countries in relaxing the restrictions this will be one of the first few phases

    Well I guess for now Ireland will just follow the UK anyway - thats what usually happens*. Probably a good thing for now as we will see what happens to some of those other countries.
    One thing tho - very difficult to compare to other countries (except the UK) because each have their own policies/levels of testing/shut down at different times/quarantined incoming flights etc)

    Ire is so tightly coupled to the UK, that's why I lump them together (in terms of virus - don't want to upset anyone on a political or historical basis here..)

    *Yes we shut the schools first, but it didn't make much difference as everyone just went to the cafes and parks etc and generally treated it like a holiday..


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  • #3082
    Ellie1988
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Ellie1988


    yrreg0850 wrote: »
    If you are a resident in the republic you can be forced to return home or, arrested if you refuse so, but, once you cross the border, if you are a NI resident you can travel a far for as long as you wish.

    Yep I know...my point was that there are stops and travel restrictions in the north too.


  • #3083
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    almostover wrote: »
    The only cowards here are those clamouring to put their only personal desires above the health and safety of our must vulernable in society and our healthcare staff.

    The government destroyed the nursing homes themselves by putting infected patients in them. Going for a walk further that 2km from your house or visiting a relative is not killing our elderly or our healthcare staff. Cop on.


  • #3084
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Not an entity?

    Clearly you are unaware that the so-called PSNI's official title is the "Police Service of Northern Ireland (incorporating the RUC GC)."

    A quick check on wiki shows your correct on this......every day is a school day. Still that name isn't used widely anymore.


  • #3085
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    almostover wrote: »
    Time for a history lesson. The island of Ireland has 32 counties. The country named Ireland has 26. We forfeited our ownership of the 6 counties in the north east of the Island when we voted in favour of the Good Friday Agreement. An agreement which was accepted by the majority in both jurisdictions.

    Now enough of that, back to COVID-19 and the related restrictions.
    WRONG.


    History lesson.


    This country has 32-Counties. Even your beloved 1937 Constitution previously made your remarks seditious as well as false.


  • #3086
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    almostover wrote: »
    A quick check on wiki shows your correct on this......every day is a school day. Still that name isn't used widely anymore.

    Obviously RUC was used to make a point.. I haven't heard anyone call it that for a long time..


  • #3087
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    kenmm wrote: »
    Obviously RUC was used to make a point.. I haven't heard anyone call it that for a long time..
    I don't know anyone who refers to the RUC as anything other than the RUC.


  • #3088
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    WRONG.


    History lesson.


    This country has 32-Counties. Even your beloved 1937 Constitution previously made your remarks seditious as well as false.

    Reality lesson

    Ireland has 26 counties.
    Northern Ireland has 6 counties.
    They are recognized as 2 separate countries.


  • #3089
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    WRONG.


    History lesson.


    This country has 32-Counties. Even your beloved 1937 Constitution previously made your remarks seditious as well as false.

    Direct from wiki: Ireland (Irish: Éire [ˈeːɾʲə]), also known as the Republic of Ireland (Poblacht na hÉireann), is a country in north-western Europe occupying 26 of 32 counties of the island of Ireland.

    Why shouldn't I love the constitution of my country? Isn't that what Republicans like me believe in?


  • #3090
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Reality lesson

    Ireland has 26 counties.
    Northern Ireland has 6 counties.
    They are recognized as 2 separate countries.
    The Free State is NOT IRELAND.

    It is merely a part of this country which is called Ireland.


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  • #3091
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Was it Kermit who was putting a lower bound on fatality rates because he calculated that at least 0.1% of the NY state population had died of the virus?

    https://twitter.com/BitcoinNegan/status/1254614264167440385

    Oops.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-crisis-lessons-1968-hong-kong-flu-pandemic/

    100,000 people in the US died of the Hong Kong flu in 1969. No lockdowns.

    https://twitter.com/RetractionWatch/status/1254735543637880837

    Another oops.

    Oops, we cost you a quarter of your GDP.

    Sorry!


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