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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #2942
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    glasso wrote: »
    maybe it's a test leak for feedback and they are right now reading this thread!

    they can't go polling on the streets too easily these days.

    I sincerely fucking hope not :pac:


  • #2943
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    the kelt wrote: »
    Who knows, that would be positive if the case although you would think there would be some reference to other business and trades etc.

    Who knows?

    Lots of sites are already open.

    That computer screen snap looks like bullsh1t to me though.
    Childcare services reopening for essential workers for instance, very spoofy.


  • #2944
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If they try to extend the lockdown for another month, I simply don't see the restrictions getting followed.

    Any longer than a month, we should really be considering a referendum. We do still live in a democracy, right?


  • #2945
    St.Spodo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    My understanding is that the above document is fake. Worth noting also that members of the government have said a couple of times that any easing of restrictions would take place at 2-3 week intervals, as has been planned in other countries.


  • #2946
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Fake memo is fake.


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  • #2947
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    glasso wrote: »
    maybe it's a test leak for feedback and they are right now reading this thread!

    they can't go polling on the streets too easily these days.

    If so I want them to know this is no good for me.
    I would like to be able to go back to the office once or twice a week where it is totally possible for me to maintain social distancing.

    I have spent the last 3 years building up a business which is on the verge of dying if lockdown goes on much longer.
    If we can even be seen to be reopening a little it will give customers confidence that Ireland might go back to some time in the not too distant future.

    Even being able to report to clients that I am writing from the office would give a great boost.


  • #2948
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    Restrictions won't work on their own. We need progress on testing and contact tracing . PR promises talking about " ramping up " are not a substitution for action . We are still hearing about people waiting weeks for results by which time contact chasing is a waste of time .


  • #2949
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Lockdown is an evil policy.

    The only question is whether it is a "necessary evil".


  • #2950
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If they try to extend the lockdown for another month, I simply don't see the restrictions getting followed.

    Any longer than a month, we should really be considering a referendum. We do still live in a democracy, right?


    A referendum on what exactly?




    What we shud have is a reverlution, enough is enough, time to stand up, fatcats, blueshirts etc. etc.


  • #2951
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If they try to extend the lockdown for another month, I simply don't see the restrictions getting followed.

    Any longer than a month, we should really be considering a referendum. We do still live in a democracy, right?

    I was in a business park today which has all types of businesses, and all were open, builders working there as well. They may not necessarily have let any Joe Soap walk into their premises, and I'm sure they were all taking the necessary hygiene precautions, but they were all working. People won't be held to ransom, they will get on with things and return to work.


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  • #2952
    DanyTargaryen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ✭DanyTargaryen


    Chalk McHugh wrote: »
    Our government is totally reactionary and depending on the success and bravery of other countries to make any kind of decisions.

    I don't really see how that's a bad thing. First of all, covid-19 is new and unknown and the guidelines are constantly changing. You can't give a plan for the next six weeks because we don't know what will happen in those weeks, every government is forced to be reactionary in a situation like this.

    It 100% makes sense to look at what other countries are doing and follow suit if their decisions worked for them. We were able to see the affects of an extreme lockdown in China hence why so many countries are doing it now.


  • #2953
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GazzaL wrote: »
    I was in a business park today which has all types of businesses, and all were open, builders working there as well. They may not necessarily have let any Joe Soap walk into their premises, and I'm sure they were all taking the necessary hygiene precautions, but they were all working. People won't be held to ransom, they will get on with things and return to work.

    what sort of range of businesses out of interest?

    pure office work or more hands-on stuff?


  • #2954
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Chalk McHugh wrote: »
    Leo had the masses eating out of the palm of his hand when he spoke of real heroes not wearing capes in that soppy address of the nation all those weeks back. If he comes out to face us all again on May 5 and increases the lockdown for another 3-4 weeks the only costume he should be wearing is Dick Turpins as he'll be robbing us of our freedom. Enough is enough. Most of us have abided by the rules up to now. Time to start easing restrictions with a detailed plan as to when each sector may open up depending on how well our health service is coping. Our government is totally reactionary and depending on the success and bravery of other countries to make any kind of decisions. Italy, the country that was riddled with this disease, has announced a plan to reopen most secors of the economy over the next month. Leo grow a pair and stop hiding and waiting for others to lead the way. Release the countries pressure valve and let us breath again. Give us some hope.

    I wonder why everyone is gravitating towards Italy all of a sudden when they were the worst at 1 stage is it because they mentioned pubs been opened quickly. What have other countries said about them.

    Look I agree stuff needs to be eased by next Monday but unfortunately it will be not what you want. Shops will be able to open with an eye on staggering people going in to them. Construction will start with safety precautions such as masks etc having to be worn maybe even full masks

    Pubs and clubs I am afraid will be months down the line. We are not the same as Italy in our pub culture if we were I be fully up in a month or so in them opening up but unfortunately I do not see people going to a pub and sitting down and not moving around, does not happen here unless its an "old man pub"


  • #2955
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    DanyTargaryen wrote: »
    I don't really see how that's a bad thing. First of all, covid-19 is new and unknown and the guidelines are constantly changing. You can't give a plan for the next six weeks because we don't know what will happen in those weeks, every government is forced to be reactionary in a situation like this.

    It's very easy to give a plan with conditions as other countries have done.

    e.g. On 5th may we will open a, b, c
    If new cases, deaths, ICU number don't rise above x,y,z then on 19th May we will open d,e,f


    etc, etc.


  • #2956
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Half the world are taking similar or more severe approaches but never mind that, this is all a ploy from Leo to take away our freedom.

    I don't know how some people on here get dressed in the morning, never mind figure out how to use a computer.

    Exactly sure it'll be grand, let the normies do as they're entitled to..

    They're not vulnerable or old... it's them we're alright Jack fck the rest.

    Two more weeks of lockdown shouldn't be a problem, then maybe let people out on their own in car's to go on drive's or get some sea air, then incrementally start easing the restrictions..

    No point in opening the dam fully when it's about to burst the banks and flood the low lands.

    Gradually and it'll all be ok....patience is a virtue.

    This is hard on people I know but it'll pass and everybody's in the same boat.

    There's no discrimination.

    I'm an avid surfer 15 minutes from Fanore and I am coping ok it's a long winter and I'll be definitely on a 3 day week until this time next year.

    There's plenty of time, give time time.


  • #2957
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    glasso wrote: »
    maybe it's a test leak for feedback and they are right now reading this thread!

    they can't go polling on the streets too easily these days.

    They aint that smart. If they wanted to fly kites they be doing it by media and polls by ringing


  • #2958
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    glasso wrote: »
    what sort of range of businesses out of interest?

    pure office work or more hands-on stuff?

    More hands on stuff. Mechanics, hygiene products among others.


  • #2959
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    DanyTargaryen wrote: »
    I don't really see how that's a bad thing. First of all, covid-19 is new and unknown and the guidelines are constantly changing. You can't give a plan for the next six weeks because we don't know what will happen in those weeks, every government is forced to be reactionary in a situation like this.

    It 100% makes sense to look at what other countries are doing and follow suit if their decisions worked for them. We were able to see the affects of an extreme lockdown in China hence why so many countries are doing it now.

    You also can't assume that what works in other countries would work for us. Copying isn't a solution, decisions based on modelling that takes into account how our population is distributed, age profile, health service capacity etc.

    They also need to weigh up the pro and cons of various restrictions in terms of their effectiveness / negative impacts to society.


  • #2960
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Ferris_Bueller wrote: »
    If that was to be true I would find it difficult to take. A month seems excessive for what are such minor changes. I have been obedient of the restrictions so far but if they were to announce that ahead of May 5th I can say with certainty that I would end up breaking some of the restrictions.
    I know people are saying it is fake, but I find this screenshot very plausible. Just missing a reference to construction sites and possibly certain outdoor sports.

    A month is reasonable unfortunately with this virus - it's about a month from the time you make a change to the point at which deaths are peaking.

    We can't be making changes every week, there isn't enough time to see the impact. If we get this wrong we'll suddenly have full restrictions re-imposed, and that would be very damaging to confidence and morale.


  • #2961
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    GazzaL wrote: »
    I was in a business park today which has all types of businesses, and all were open, builders working there as well. They may not necessarily have let any Joe Soap walk into their premises, and I'm sure they were all taking the necessary hygiene precautions, but they were all working. People won't be held to ransom, they will get on with things and return to work.

    All those business could have been doing that from day one the thing was it was uneconomical until now as the restrictions will be eased soon (May 5th)


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  • #2962
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    I sincerely fucking hope not :pac:

    Yeah I suppose your moronic ideas about national debt and borrowing would make them lose hope in the education system.


  • #2963
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Yeah I suppose your moronic ideas about national debt and borrowing would make them lose hope in the education system.

    My moronic comments worked it seems, you're still going on about them :pac:


  • #2964
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    My moronic comments worked it seems, you're still going on about them :pac:

    Yeah I'm still gobsmacked that an adult can seriously have that little knowledge of the economy and national debt.


  • #2965
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Just went down the street and one of the barbers is open with a chair outside cutting peoples hair.
    It's Mavericks like that we need shaping lockdown policy.


  • #2966
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Yeah I'm still gobsmacked that an adult can seriously have that little knowledge of the economy and national debt.

    You're gullible as fuck then


  • #2967
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Just went down the street and one of the barbers is open with a chair outside cutting peoples hair.
    It's Mavericks like that we need shaping lockdown policy.

    Fair to play him. Adapt or die


  • #2968
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    You're gullible as fuck then

    And you're thick. Don't worry me and the other taxpayers will get back to work so we can support you while you sit around all day staring into space.


  • #2969
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    GazzaL wrote: »
    I was in a business park today which has all types of businesses, and all were open, builders working there as well. They may not necessarily have let any Joe Soap walk into their premises, and I'm sure they were all taking the necessary hygiene precautions, but they were all working. People won't be held to ransom, they will get on with things and return to work.

    Great to hear it. Now if only the useless Gardai could find something useful to do rather than visiting aul ones with birthday cakes we’d be away


  • #2970
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Discodog wrote: »
    The Gardai are starting an operation tomorrow at 7am which they say will be even bigger than the Easter one. They will be targeting tourist areas & smaller roads to prevent people avoiding the checkpoints. Meanwhile feel free to carry on with your street party, soccer game, traveller wedding, or driving down from the North.

    They have had vast resources flung at them for little reason. Stands to reason they have to make up something to do to justify their existence


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  • #2971
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Just went down the street and one of the barbers is open with a chair outside cutting peoples hair.
    It's Mavericks like that we need shaping lockdown policy.

    The lockdown brigade will freak when they hear that.:D:D


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