Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Discodog wrote: »

I wonder if it's a good idea to have loads of checkpoints, right up to the end & then none. Better to phase them out.

For where are at now I think their presence is a good thing. It's also scooping up some ordinary dumb criminals as a bonus!

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I get the feeling that this exiting lockdown plan is going to be the most vague document the government has presented to us yet. Independent also reporting that there wont be any dates or timeline given to the phases in it other than "at the appropriate time"

The times is reporting on what people want lifted with the restrictions, it's the 2km people want most, I can live with the rest but the limit on internal travel within the country has to be lifted. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-2km-limit-is-restriction-most-want-lifted-survey-finds-1.4238792?mode=amp
5km or 10km won't cut it, it needs to be a completely done away with. I promised the young fella last night we'd be catching crabs at the beach in 8 more sleeps and come hell or high water he'll be out with his fishing net and bucket.

rovers_runner wrote: »

You'd have to assume most of the lockdown merchants on here are the teachers and civil servants who are on full pay and will be while this charade goes on.

The restrictions will only last on businesses and movement of people while the Govt can continue to pay the €350, once they reach the end of the road with affording that it will be every man for themselves.
Then the sh1t will hit the fan and hundreds of thousands will be left unemployed on €200 a week and told they are on their own now, landlords and vulture funds at the ready.

I doubt we'll be able to afford anything like €200 a week with the way things are looking.

drunkmonkey wrote:

5km or 10km won't cut it, it needs to be a completely done away with. I promised the young fella last night we'd be catching crabs at the beach in 8 more sleeps and come hell or high water he'll be out with his fishing net and bucket.

Why did you promise him, if you do not know for sure what's gonna happen, you could have been vague with him about when, he d be fine?

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Why did you promise him, if you do not know for sure what's gonna happen, you could have been vague with him about when, he d be fine?

At the appropriate time!

Hopefully they open golf courses next week.
Ridiculous that them and certain other types of sports are not allowed at all. Yes limit numbers and keep bars and clubhouse shut if necessary. Open the feckin courses though.

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Can someone explain how this works because after 2 months I still don't think I understand.

Let's say we wait for a few more weeks to start easing restrictions, what changes? What's the actual benefit of waiting a bit longer?

It's in order to stop the ICUs to be overrun like what happened in Italy, forcing doctors to choose who to try and save.

So it appears no restrictions to be lifted or else very, very slight easing according to the Indo this morning. To date the Indo has been the paper of reference when its come to what the government is going to do.

Meanwhile transparency and accountability it seems is being thrown out the door also. The NPHET isnt answerable to anybody, meanwhile since March 31st the minutes of meetings between the NPHET and the Government havent been published, theres actually a chance they havent even being recorded

All this is happening whilst its been pretty clear that there has been major flaws regarding Covid 19 and the growing situation in the nursing homes, the ramp up in testing etc as promised isnt happening and all this falls under the remit of NPHET and the Government etc.

Travellers have free reign to do what they want, people in Northern Ireland can roam about the country on day trips.

Meanwhile we get a finger wagged in our faces, its the fault of Mary down the road who went 3 km from her home to visit her elderly father, or the fault of John who was found on his own on his bike 5km from his house.

No semblance of a plan or a map, no accountability, no transparency all while the poor people in nursing homes have been mismanaged to a terrible degree and people are like clapping seals accepting the rhetoric that we must be at fault even though the criteria such as the R0 being laid out for us has been addressed and attained.

Might as well change the national anthem to Baa Baa Black Sheep at this stage.

A little bit of honesty and transparency is now required pretty urgently, no more finger wagging at ordinary people whilst proper measures of accountability arent being followed, no more mixed messages and skewed rhetoric.

Everyone wants to do their part, everyone wants to get through this but surely everyone at this stage should be asking questions as to what is going on, i mean we are a mature educated people who doesnt just follow blindly with questioning?

Mixed messages and lack of transparency and accountability is not helping here and is going to lead to a complete and utter absence of any compliance unless its addressed.

Start levelling with people to bring them with you is whats required.

is_that_so wrote: »

Nolan expected higher numbers for "some" days. I think they must be close to completion of it based on their 7-10 day plan but who knows. They have now reverted to a looser case definition, i.e. one symptom. That was what overloaded the system back in March. My impression is that they want to roadtest the new system of swab, analyse and contact trace to see if it can hold up and respond to new cases quickly enough.

Suprised this isn't being broght in yestraday. It's what's concistantly worked in other countries. You have syntoms? Quarantine and contact list please, or as much of it as you can remember.

The question then is if you (general, not specific) wound up on someone's contact list, would you be willing to go into total isoaltion for two weeks just as the restrictions are lifted?

the kelt wrote: »

So it appears no restrictions to be lifted or else very, very slight easing according to the Indo this morning. To date the Indo has been the paper of reference when its come to what the government is going to do.

Meanwhile transparency and accountability it seems is being thrown out the door also. The NPHET isnt answerable to anybody, meanwhile since March 31st the minutes of meetings between the NPHET and the Government havent been published, theres actually a chance they havent even being recorded

All this is happening whilst its been pretty clear that there has been major flaws regarding Covid 19 and the growing situation in the nursing homes, the ramp up in testing etc as promised isnt happening and all this falls under the remit of NPHET and the Government etc.

Travellers have free reign to do what they want, people in Northern Ireland can roam about the country on day trips.

Meanwhile we get a finger wagged in our faces, its the fault of Mary down the road who went 3 km from her home to visit her elderly father, or the fault of John who was found on his own on his bike 5km from his house.

No semblance of a plan or a map, no accountability, no transparency all while the poor people in nursing homes have been mismanaged to a terrible degree and people are like clapping seals accepting the rhetoric that we must be at fault even though the criteria such as the R0 being laid out for us has been addressed and attained.

Might as well change the national anthem to Baa Baa Black Sheep at this stage.

A little bit of honesty and transparency is now required pretty urgently, no more finger wagging at ordinary people whilst proper measures of accountability arent being followed, no more mixed messages and skewed rhetoric.

Everyone wants to do their part, everyone wants to get through this but surely everyone at this stage should be asking questions as to what is going on, i mean we are a mature educated people who doesnt just follow blindly with questioning?

Mixed messages and lack of transparency and accountability is not helping here and is going to lead to a complete and utter absence of any compliance unless its addressed.

Start levelling with people to bring them with you is whats required.

Because the governmern has no idea why the numbers aren't changing despite weeks of restrictions and have no idea how to handle this. Saying it publicly would cause panic and/or outcry.

easypazz wrote: »

Yawn, you can't buy a newspaper in the butchers, or milk in the newsagents and the fruit and veg. needs to be bought elsewhere.

Have you ever heard of a supermarket?

It's a magical place that sells all of the above in the one building....

the kelt wrote: »

So it appears no restrictions to be lifted or else very, very slight easing according to the Indo this morning. To date the Indo has been the paper of reference when its come to what the government is going to do.

Meanwhile transparency and accountability it seems is being thrown out the door also. The NPHET isnt answerable to anybody, meanwhile since March 31st the minutes of meetings between the NPHET and the Government havent been published, theres actually a chance they havent even being recorded

All this is happening whilst its been pretty clear that there has been major flaws regarding Covid 19 and the growing situation in the nursing homes, the ramp up in testing etc as promised isnt happening and all this falls under the remit of NPHET and the Government etc.

Travellers have free reign to do what they want, people in Northern Ireland can roam about the country on day trips.

Meanwhile we get a finger wagged in our faces, its the fault of Mary down the road who went 3 km from her home to visit her elderly father, or the fault of John who was found on his own on his bike 5km from his house.

No semblance of a plan or a map, no accountability, no transparency all while the poor people in nursing homes have been mismanaged to a terrible degree and people are like clapping seals accepting the rhetoric that we must be at fault even though the criteria such as the R0 being laid out for us has been addressed and attained.

Might as well change the national anthem to Baa Baa Black Sheep at this stage.

A little bit of honesty and transparency is now required pretty urgently, no more finger wagging at ordinary people whilst proper measures of accountability arent being followed, no more mixed messages and skewed rhetoric.

Everyone wants to do their part, everyone wants to get through this but surely everyone at this stage should be asking questions as to what is going on, i mean we are a mature educated people who doesnt just follow blindly with questioning?

Mixed messages and lack of transparency and accountability is not helping here and is going to lead to a complete and utter absence of any compliance unless its addressed.

Start levelling with people to bring them with you is whats required.

Don't see them as a paper of reference for that at all. They've been predicting all sorts of restrictions that never happened. As for NEPHT it is convened and dissolved by the MoH as needed and reports to him. They are an advisory body and make recommendations, recommendations in theory that can be ignored by the MoH.