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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Then by end of week,we should be finished with these and work from there as regards new case numbers??

Nolan expected higher numbers for "some" days. I think they must be close to completion of it based on their 7-10 day plan but who knows. They have now reverted to a looser case definition, i.e. one symptom. That was what overloaded the system back in March. My impression is that they want to roadtest the new system of swab, analyse and contact trace to see if it can hold up and respond to new cases quickly enough.

[Deleted User]

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Can someone explain how this works because after 2 months I still don't think I understand.

Let's say we wait for a few more weeks to start easing restrictions, what changes? What's the actual benefit of waiting a bit longer?

You learn from others mistakes,and see where issues arose elsewhere,when they open up??

Kinda seems most sensible thing to do to me anyway

Spencer Brown

Can someone explain how this works because after 2 months I still don't think I understand.

Let's say we wait for a few more weeks to start easing restrictions, what changes? What's the actual benefit of waiting a bit longer?

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

Eh? Who's the, 'sick bastards'? The guards for doing what they are told, or the government for trying to save lives?

Yeah the government who knowingly sent covid patients into nursing homes infecting and killing everybody.

An unelected CMO who presided over cervicalcheck scandal going on an ego trip.

A failed Taoiseach and failed health minister on a power trip, trying to control everybody with their new found sense if greatness.

And what bellend thought bringing an RUC man into the mix was a good idea?

Sick bastards the lot of them.

drunkmonkey

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Why did you promise him, if you do not know for sure what's gonna happen, you could have been vague with him about when, he d be fine?

Because he's going, if that requires stuffing him in the boot while I breeze through checkpoints with my travel pass I'll do it.

Martin567

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Why did you promise him, if you do not know for sure what's gonna happen, you could have been vague with him about when, he d be fine?

At the appropriate time!

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

He is argueing,that sectors will close down if not reopened??

If these sectors are viable,new businesses will replace them,if there demand exist??

Like realistically china waited until they were several days without new cases to reopen,we should get as close to that as we can.....

700 new cases yesterday,is forever too high,afaik.that is one of our highest daily increases,deosnt seem to be slowing atal??

China didn't close down, it closed certain areas, it didn't nuke it's whole economy.

Wanderer78

drunkmonkey wrote:

5km or 10km won't cut it, it needs to be a completely done away with. I promised the young fella last night we'd be catching crabs at the beach in 8 more sleeps and come hell or high water he'll be out with his fishing net and bucket.

Why did you promise him, if you do not know for sure what's gonna happen, you could have been vague with him about when, he d be fine?

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

That's pure CMO-speak! There may be some like that I think but that speaks to 2 week reviews. Other stuff like schools and some businesses will have to have actual dates.

Oh I agree, it's a timeline with dates that's needed. Every other country is able to give at least this. You can't tell a business you'll be able to reopen but we can't tell you when or give you an indication as to when

facehugger99

rovers_runner wrote: »

You'd have to assume most of the lockdown merchants on here are the teachers and civil servants who are on full pay and will be while this charade goes on.

The restrictions will only last on businesses and movement of people while the Govt can continue to pay the €350, once they reach the end of the road with affording that it will be every man for themselves.
Then the sh1t will hit the fan and hundreds of thousands will be left unemployed on €200 a week and told they are on their own now, landlords and vulture funds at the ready.

I doubt we'll be able to afford anything like €200 a week with the way things are looking.

[Deleted User]

is_that_so wrote: »

Nursing home testing is still ongoing so no surprise in higher numbers.

Then by end of week,we should be finished with these and work from there as regards new case numbers??

drunkmonkey

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I get the feeling that this exiting lockdown plan is going to be the most vague document the government has presented to us yet. Independent also reporting that there wont be any dates or timeline given to the phases in it other than "at the appropriate time"

The times is reporting on what people want lifted with the restrictions, it's the 2km people want most, I can live with the rest but the limit on internal travel within the country has to be lifted. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-2km-limit-is-restriction-most-want-lifted-survey-finds-1.4238792?mode=amp
5km or 10km won't cut it, it needs to be a completely done away with. I promised the young fella last night we'd be catching crabs at the beach in 8 more sleeps and come hell or high water he'll be out with his fishing net and bucket.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

He is argueing,that sectors will close down if not reopened??

If these sectors are viable,new businesses will replace them,if there demand exist??

Like realistically china waited until they were several days without new cases to reopen,we should get as close to that as we can.....

700 new cases yesterday,is forever too high,afaik.that is one of our highest daily increases,deosnt seem to be slowing atal??

Nursing home testing is still ongoing so no surprise in higher numbers.

is_that_so

Discodog wrote: »

I wonder if it's a good idea to have loads of checkpoints, right up to the end & then none. Better to phase them out.

For where are at now I think their presence is a good thing. It's also scooping up some ordinary dumb criminals as a bonus!

[Deleted User]

niallo27 wrote: »

A destroyed economy costs lifes and destroys even more though. There has to be a balance.

He is argueing,that sectors will close down if not reopened??

If these sectors are viable,new businesses will replace them,if there demand exist??

Like realistically china waited until they were several days without new cases to reopen,we should get as close to that as we can.....

700 new cases yesterday,is forever too high,afaik.that is one of our highest daily increases,deosnt seem to be slowing atal??

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I get the feeling that this exiting lockdown plan is going to be the most vague document the government has presented to us yet. Independent also reporting that there wont be any dates or timeline given to the phases in it other than "at the appropriate time"

That's pure CMO-speak! There may be some like that I think but that speaks to 2 week reviews. Other stuff like schools and some businesses will have to have actual dates.

1Q2WHYUUU

There are five tests that need to be passed before the government can change restrictions

Discodog

is_that_so wrote: »

BH weekend will have some people even more antsy and as it might be the end of this current regime of restrictions, there is a need to ensure people hang in till the end of that period. The weather might help there anyway!

I wonder if it's a good idea to have loads of checkpoints, right up to the end & then none. Better to phase them out.

Long_Wave

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You really value the economy over mass deaths?

Its tragic that people like you are so dumbed down to special needs level

Chalk McHugh

First time i've woke up during this lockdown feeling optimistic and after reading about Italy's plans to reopen i can at last see some light at the end of the tunnel. Instead of dragging my body out of the scratcher i jumped out with a little spring in my step. Amazing that such small crumbs of comfort have boosted me so much.

is_that_so

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We've suspended cancer screening, that already has to have had a knock on effect. Probably a whole host of other progressive diseases put on the back boiler as well.

Thought I heard Anne O'Connor say they wanted to get some of the more normal medical activity up and running again.

rovers_runner

You'd have to assume most of the lockdown merchants on here are the teachers and civil servants who are on full pay and will be while this charade goes on.

The restrictions will only last on businesses and movement of people while the Govt can continue to pay the €350, once they reach the end of the road with affording that it will be every man for themselves.
Then the sh1t will hit the fan and hundreds of thousands will be left unemployed on €200 a week and told they are on their own now, landlords and vulture funds at the ready.

stephenjmcd

I get the feeling that this exiting lockdown plan is going to be the most vague document the government has presented to us yet. Independent also reporting that there wont be any dates or timeline given to the phases in it other than "at the appropriate time"

drunkmonkey

Penfailed wrote: »

He does. He has said as much repeatedly. He tries to defend it by saying that if the economy tanks (which is bound to happen worldwide anyway), there will be deaths as a knock on effect.

We've suspended cancer screening, that already has to have had a knock on effect. Probably a whole host of other progressive diseases put on the back boiler as well.

is_that_so

easypazz wrote: »

They are on about a bigger garda operation this weekend, more checkpoints and starting earlier.

Sick bastards.

BH weekend will have some people even more antsy and as it might be the end of this current regime of restrictions, there is a need to ensure people hang in till the end of that period. The weather might help there anyway!

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

I dont think any econmy is worth losing 20K lives for,catch a hold of yourself

A destroyed economy costs lifes and destroys even more though. There has to be a balance.

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

They are on about a bigger garda operation this weekend, more checkpoints and starting earlier.

Sick bastards.

Eh? Who's the, 'sick bastards'? The guards for doing what they are told, or the government for trying to save lives?

Penfailed

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You really value the economy over mass deaths?

He does. He has said as much repeatedly. He tries to defend it by saying that if the economy tanks (which is bound to happen worldwide anyway), there will be deaths as a knock on effect.

VonLuck

easypazz wrote: »

They are on about a bigger garda operation this weekend, more checkpoints and starting earlier.

Sick bastards.

Yeah, how dare they enforce the restrictions...

easypazz

They are on about a bigger garda operation this weekend, more checkpoints and starting earlier.

Sick bastards.