Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

keynes · 26-04-2020 07:55PM

Strazdas wrote: »

There doesn't seem to be any evidence those Italian rugby fans transmitted the virus in any meaningful way - Dr Holohan was asked about this recently.

Its not at all clear how he could come to that assessment. Some Italian guy could get off a plane, get on a bus, head to a bar and, all the while, infect about 20 people without any of them knowing how they picked it up.

Strumms · 26-04-2020 07:55PM

blackcard wrote: »

I think anyone that thinks like this should just get out of the country

Thankfully we live in a democracy so I’ll make up my own mind if I’m to get out, stay put or otherwise. You on the other hand can take your opinion and take it with yourself to your nearest non socially distant conga line.

speckle · 26-04-2020 07:56PM

Aegir wrote: »

I thought a cup of tea was the Yorkshire remedy to everything?

At times it's my first port of call after reading the covid thread here .

crossman47 · 26-04-2020 07:58PM

polesheep wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that won't wash. Surely one of the first items on the agenda should have been a discussion on which elements of society were likely to be most at risk.

I imagine the primary item on the agenda was how do we try to ensure the hospitals aren't overrun. Because, if they were, nothing could have helped the nursing homes anyway.

Professor Moriarty · 26-04-2020 07:59PM

speckle wrote: »

At times it's my first port of call after reading the covid thread here .

I take some cocaine and a few mushrooms. It's the only thing that erases the disbelief.

BanditLuke · 26-04-2020 08:01PM

Strumms wrote: »

This country is such a fûcking out and out joke of a shîthole.

You are right. I'd much rather live in Venezuela, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or Haiti.

This is a great country and I'm proud to be Irish.

joe_99 · 26-04-2020 08:02PM

crossman47 wrote: »

I imagine the primary item on the agenda was how do we try to ensure the hospitals aren't overrun. Because, if they were, nothing could have helped the nursing homes anyway.

Correct. If hospitals got over run nursing homes would have been decimated.

speckle · 26-04-2020 08:05PM

joe_99 wrote: »

Correct. If hospitals got over run nursing homes would have been decimated.

except alot of nursing and care and mental health facilities patients/clients never got to the hospitals.

iamwhoiam · 26-04-2020 08:05PM

crossman47 wrote: »

I imagine the primary item on the agenda was how do we try to ensure the hospitals aren't overrun. Because, if they were, nothing could have helped the nursing homes anyway.

Yes but recommending no visitors and staff to use caution wouldn’t have taken them long .,

Strumms · 26-04-2020 08:06PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

You are right. I'd much rather live in Venezuela, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or Haiti.

This is a great country and I'm proud to be Irish.

Just because other places have bigger issues doesn’t give me the need to downplay our own or sugarcoat them.

The saying ‘setting low standards and failing to meet them’ is an appropriate description of a lot of behavior and mindsets out there.

Btw Venezuela population 28.4 million, less cases of covid than Ireland.

caveat emptor · 26-04-2020 08:08PM

Strazdas wrote: »

There doesn't seem to be any evidence those Italian rugby fans transmitted the virus in any meaningful way - Dr Holohan was asked about this recently.

Thing with ‘evidence’ is that absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence.

How could you possibly know if you got it off an Italian who travelled for the weekend to not lose money on flights and accommodation? They went back they weren’t contact traced. There were no restrictions after all.

walshb · 26-04-2020 08:10PM

Strumms wrote: »

Just because other places have bigger issues doesn’t give me the need to downplay our own or sugarcoat them.

The saying ‘setting low standards and failing to meet them’ is an appropriate description of a lot of behavior and mindsets out there.

Btw Venezuela population 28.4 million, less cases of covid than Ireland.

Yes, because number of Covid cases is the way we should measure the good of a country...

Strumms · 26-04-2020 08:13PM

walshb wrote: »

Yes, because number of Covid cases is the way we should measure the good of a country...

It sure is, in a thread about corona and the appalling behaviors we are seeing here.

Strumms · 26-04-2020 08:15PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Less recorded cases.

By your rationale we should discount every country when we discuss corona statistics then, just as ‘recorded cases’

Tommybojangles · 26-04-2020 08:16PM

Lads theres only one thing for it. Stop testing tomorrow, numbers stay the same and before you know it we're a better country than Venezuela

growleaves · 26-04-2020 08:17PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thing with ‘evidence’ is that absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence.

That should be the official motto for all these Covid19 megathreads.

Strumms · 26-04-2020 08:21PM

Tommybojangles wrote: »

Lads theres only one thing for it. Stop testing tomorrow, numbers stay the same and before you know it we're a better country than Venezuela

Better if we got a handle on it and weren’t having fûcking conga parties, ‘ohhhh IM a bit lonely me and my mental health so I’m off to socialize with 12 other people in a house’ kinda moments...

growleaves · 26-04-2020 08:23PM

walshb wrote: »

Yes, because number of Covid cases is the way we should measure the good of a country...

There is only Covid.

wakka12 · 26-04-2020 08:25PM

Strumms wrote: »

By your rationale we should discount every country when we discuss corona statistics then, just as ‘recorded cases’

Generally it is completely meaningless, a more important statistic would be the ratio of positive to negative cases

Venezuela happens to have a very large number of tests actually and a still small number of positives despite that so it probably doesnt have any oubreak. But for example, Algeria has many many less cases than Ireland. Only 3300. But its also has only done 6500 tests, so 50% of tests are coming back positive . Obviously, there are thousands of cases in Algeria not even being tested, the fact they have a small number of confirmed is now meaningless

Spencer Brown · 26-04-2020 08:29PM

Strumms wrote: »

Better if we got a handle on it and weren’t having fûcking conga parties, ‘ohhhh IM a bit lonely me and my mental health so I’m off to socialize with 12 other people in a house’ kinda moments...

Where do you live? It must be party central as I haven't seen any parties around here. Is there load of parties going on around your parts?

Xertz · 26-04-2020 08:29PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah this is a real problem. It's typical problem of scale.

I think that we should provide healthcare workers with reusable respirators for two main reasons.
increased protection.

Avoiding the global rat race in procuring single use medical PPE

This type of equipment isn't generally used in hospitals although it is FDA approved.]

Just as a point European masks and respirators would normally be made to EN 149 standards, which cover those FFP1, FFP2 and FFP3 standards.

FFP1 isn’t considered adequate.
FFP2 is roughly equivalent to N95.
FFP3 is required to hit 99.9% and is equivalent to N100.

There’s a Chinese KN95 standard which is similar to US N95

The European ones are also required to meet a wider range of tests and deal with splashed liquids. They’re tested with aerosolised oil and also specific sizes of particulates usually made from ground salt.

There’s also a South Korean standard and Australia NZ standards which are basically just the EN European standard redone for local legislation.

And then there’s a separate Japanese standard.

In normal circumstances, only gear to EN 149 could be legally used here.

There’s a big risk of all sorts of substandard PPE due to the rush and demand.

jackboy · 26-04-2020 08:32PM

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Where do you live? It must be party central as I haven't seen any parties around here. Is there load of parties going on around your parts?

They showed some on the news and implied it was a great idea.

wakka12 · 26-04-2020 08:33PM

First day of children being allowed out to play in Spain

And so wave two begins in Europe before wave one even ends

growleaves · 26-04-2020 08:35PM

And so wave two begins in Europe before wave one even ends

Presumably the second wave will kill 49.8 million people in line with the predictions of many on here that this is a one in 100 years pandemic that will be as deadly as the Spanish Flu.

Away With The Fairies · 26-04-2020 08:36PM

wakka12 wrote: »

First day of children being allowed out to play in Spain

And so wave two begins in Europe before wave one even ends

Did people think it just went away?

wakka12 · 26-04-2020 08:37PM

growleaves wrote: »

Presumably the second wave will kill 49.8 million people in line with the predictions of many on here that this is a one in 100 years pandemic that will be as deadly as the Spanish Flu.

No, but it will kill hundreds of thousands of people, just like it has the last 5 weeks in Europe

wakka12 · 26-04-2020 08:39PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Did people think it just went away?

Probably just dont care now anymore either way

caveat emptor · 26-04-2020 08:44PM

Xertz wrote: »

Just as a point European masks and respirators would normally be made to EN 149 standards, which cover those FFP1, FFP2 and FFP3 standards.

FFP1 isn’t considered adequate.
FFP2 is roughly equivalent to N95.
FFP3 is required to hit 99.9% and is equivalent to N100.

There’s a Chinese KN95 standard which is similar to US N95

The European ones are also required to meet a wider range of tests and deal with splashed liquids. They’re tested with aerosolised oil and also specific sizes of particulates usually made from ground salt.

There’s also a South Korean standard and Australia NZ standards which are basically just the EN European standard redone for local legislation.

And then there’s a separate Japanese standard.

In normal circumstances, only gear to EN 149 could be legally used here.

There’s a big risk of all sorts of substandard PPE due to the rush and demand.

The masks used in that hospital in italy. They are reusable for a very long period. The filters are to the highest standards specifically niosh and for various applications which may or may not be approved in a healthcare setting. If eu demands a standard which is oil resistant you buy the fp3 equivalent oil resistant filters. Point is these do not need to be replaced several times a day. The fact is due to the seal these respirators can create the effect of contamination is drastically reduced. Also vison and communication are improved.

Italy is in the EU. How come they don’t need to be told it’s ok?

DevilsHaircut · 26-04-2020 08:46PM

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1254480884801167366

paddythere · 26-04-2020 08:49PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

They can't barely provide the hospitals. Make your own masks and stop relying on masks from the government. Protect yourself, the government doesn't give two fcuks about you.

Great strategy. Do you think telling all the young lads who don't give a **** about the virus to make their own masks is going to work?

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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