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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #2312
    jibber5000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Your not getting this, take my friend for example, working a few days a week in a hospital with Covid wards and the rest in the maternity hospital, returns home after work probably picks up a bit of shopping on the way, there kids and husband are out any about while there at work. Can you not see the issue with them returning back to the the community after work every day.
    Isn't it quite obvious at this stage or are you of the mind that none of the 5000+ health care workers have infected anyone.

    I do think we need to get real and wake up to what the numbers are telling us.

    I've no experience of anybody working in a Covid and a maternity ward even in a regional hospital?

    I presume they are cleaning staff?


  • #2313
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,026 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    road_high wrote: »
    You can sing it. And if like many you've no job to go back to, you will be just collateral damage.

    The quicker we open up the better, I think most people get social distancing now and businesses will adapt, a lot including pubs are primed and ready to go, they've been busy preparing, those who can manage social distancing should be allowed reopen now, maybe with local council checks and seal of approval.

    The elephant in the room at the moment is the 350 plenty of essential part timers are getting this which is a raise. Sceptical me says the restrictions are in for 12 weeks but I do know industry groups are lobbying for the payment to be based on the average paychecks not a flat 350 all-round as they can't get the staff required to reopen.


  • #2314
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,026 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    I've no experience of anybody working in a Covid and a maternity ward even in a regional hospital?

    I presume they are cleaning staff?

    Nurse, not in a Covid ward in a hospital with Covid wards.


  • #2315
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The quicker we open up the better, I think most people get social distancing now and businesses will adapt, a lot including pubs are primed and ready to go, they've been busy preparing, those who can manage social distancing should be allowed reopen now, maybe with local council checks and seal of approval.

    The elephant in the room at the moment is the 350 plenty of essential part timers are getting this which is a raise. Sceptical me says the restrictions are in for 12 weeks but I do know industry groups are lobbying for the payment to be based on the average paychecks not a flat 350 all-round as they can't get the staff required to reopen.

    Yeah I think a lot of the lockdown mascots will change their tune once the€350 bites the dust.


  • #2316
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    fleet_admiral wrote: »
    What a horrible poster

    FYP :)


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  • #2317
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    fleet_admiral wrote: »
    What a horrible post

    Ignore

    Obvious troll at this stage and is doing similar on other threads

    There is good debate to happen on this thread once my poor friend lockdown luke is ignored


  • #2318
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,013 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    NDWC wrote: »
    On behalf of 99% of this thread, kindly **** off

    Must cleanse the auld echo chamber!


  • #2319
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Yeah I think a lot of the lockdown mascots will change their tune once the€350 bites the dust.

    I could see that ending sooner rather than later. I doubt when it came in they’d budgeted for the numbers that would need it.
    The fun will really start once that is cut along with jobseekers for people who will no longer have a job to go back to. And their mortgage and loan breaks end. These are the kind of fundamental questions the lockdown brigade wilfully are ignoring. Glib statements like “lives are more important “ won’t put food on the table or stop the letter from the bank


  • #2320
    fleet_admiral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The quicker we open up the better, I think most people get social distancing now and businesses will adapt, a lot including pubs are primed and ready to go, they've been busy preparing, those who can manage social distancing should be allowed reopen now, maybe with local council checks and seal of approval.

    The elephant in the room at the moment is the 350 plenty of essential part timers are getting this which is a raise. Sceptical me says the restrictions are in for 12 weeks but I do know industry groups are lobbying for the payment to be based on the average paychecks not a flat 350 all-round as they can't get the staff required to reopen.

    I have a kitchen porter taking usually around €170 in wages per week. When i rang her during the week to say I want her in to scrubb the kitchen in preparation for reopening her reply was 'will I lose my 350'

    🀔🀔


  • #2321
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    trapp wrote: »
    Lukey no poor friend we're not disobeying regulations

    We're looking forward to the end of the them.

    We're warm people and base our lives on our relationships with others.

    There is nothing you can do to change that my poor man.

    In fact I urge you to embrace life and as the restrictions ease to see the joy life can bring.

    Don't worry my buddy. As soon as the restrictions are lifted and it's safe to do so I will. Had myself competing as a privateer in this year's road races as well at the TT but will have to park my leathers up for this season.

    Believe me my poor buddy I enjoy my life to its fullest no more than when I'm full throttle and can still smell the cut grass, roses and thornbushes as I keep her lit.

    Thanks for the kind words.


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  • #2322
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    road_high wrote: »
    Would like to get a flavour of the type of people losing their jobs besides the obvious in retail and services- what type of company do you work in that laid you off?
    You're right the financial waves down to all business will be immense- can imagine even once fairly safe manufacturing and service type jobs being effected down the supply chain.

    I thought my job was a safe bet, I work in the IT industry. About 40% of our clients were in the retail & hospitality industries so we lost that income overnight.
    The remainder of our clients in other industries have tightened their belts, they have cancelled some services & a lot of them negotiated their contracts down to a pittance.
    It was either lose the contract or take the loss.
    Pretty much every project for the next 6 months has been completely cancelled.
    Any new clients in the process of coming on board have run for the hills.

    This has an unbelievable knock on effect, both down the chain and up the chain. Our office is closed, so now our cleaning lady, milkman and newspaper delivery man are also out of work too.
    We aren’t bringing any goods in so our suppliers are effected, as are their suppliers and so on.

    It was thought at the start that the hardest hit would be retail and hospitality employees but that unfortunately is no longer the case. I have friends in a wide range of fields, from engineers to legal secretaries who are now out of work and unsure of their future.


  • #2323
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    Have you lost your job?
    Highly unlikely as we If you did you would show empathy
    People like you are useless to this country
    If we were invaded tomorrow you would be collaborating immediately

    The reality there are 2 sides
    The side that this lockdown suit them personally, they don’t miss loved ones, can work form home or are public sector employees, are usually anti social and have few real friends, they despise society sure they will do all the social media bull**** but if you knocked on their door looking for help they would not even answer

    And the side who oppose this lockdown because they want to work, visit loved ones, get their kids back to school, go have a meal or few sweet beers
    This side is the righteous side and we were always going to win because we have right on our side and we are what makes this country great not people like you

    Right on brother. Quack quack.


  • #2324
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Nurse, not in a Covid ward in a hospital with Covid wards.

    So she is not working on Covid wards ?


  • #2325
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Don't worry my buddy. As soon as the restrictions are lifted and it's safe to do so I will. Had myself competing as a privateer in this year's road races as well at the TT but will have to park my leathers up for this season.

    Believe me my poor buddy I enjoy my life to its fullest no more than when I'm full throttle and can still smell the cut grass, roses and thornbushes as I keep her lit.

    Thanks for the kind words.

    But you'll have to live with risk or some risk anyway my good man

    I think this is the crux of our argument

    We both think the restrictions were necessary

    I believe we need to move on towards living with the virus for many social reasons and also because a vaccine could be years away

    You seem to believe the virus is more dangerous than it is and that we need to stay in lockdown until it is safe

    We won't get to 'safe' as it was before my good friend

    We have to live with the virus, taking caution, but still working, meeting people, socialising, allowing our children to go to school

    Can we agree my poor friend?


  • #2326
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,026 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Stheno wrote: »
    So she is not working on Covid wards ?

    No in a hospital with Covid wards. I wouldn't call it a 0% risk of transferring it to the maternity hospital.


  • #2327
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    NDWC wrote: »
    On behalf of 99% of this thread, kindly **** off

    Get those anger issues checked out buddy.


  • #2328
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,026 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    fleet_admiral wrote: »
    I have a kitchen porter taking usually around €170 in wages per week. When i rang her during the week to say I want her in to scrubb the kitchen in preparation for reopening her reply was 'will I lose my 350'

    ����

    I know of something similar, the employer let the staff member go for refusing to go to work. Fun times.


  • #2329
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Must cleanse the auld echo chamber!

    Do you ever post anything that isn't **** stirring? You add nothing to the discussion.


  • #2330
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    trapp wrote: »
    But you'll have to live with risk or some risk anyway my good man

    I think this is the crux of our argument

    We both think the restrictions were necessary

    I believe we need to move on towards living with the virus for many social reasons and also because a vaccine could be years away

    You seem to believe the virus is more dangerous than it is and that we need to stay in lockdown until it is safe

    We won't get to 'safe' as it was before my good friend

    We have to live with the virus, taking caution, but still working, meeting people, socialising, allowing our children to go to school

    Can we agree my poor friend?

    Like I've said all along my poor buddy once the government under advice of the HSE tell us we are good to go then happy days.

    Until then let's all row in the same direction for the good of us all.

    Cheers bud.


  • #2331
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,026 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    That's just extreme negligence.

    I work in a regional hospital and this would never happen. Hospital split between covid and non covid wards.

    Yea you'd imagine it is, maybe you should ask the question at work, are any staff members working outside in different health care environments during the week. See any new faces lately?.


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  • #2332
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Oh your patience is wearing thin, boo hoo.

    Hold on until I find the worlds smallest violin for you.

    Toughen up. Everybody is in the same boat and has lost jobs as well as missing people but it doesn't give you the right to disobey regulations set down for the good of all society.

    Just a word of advice, sneering and scoffing at people who are sharing their struggles is a sure fire way to hinder any meagre support they might have for your warped wet dream of a totalitarian oppressed society living under Martial Law.

    As well, I shouldn’t even have to tell you that advising someone who is sharing their mental health struggles to
    ‘Toughen up’ is in bad taste and extremely poor advice.


  • #2333
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,013 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Spencer Brown wrote: »
    Do you ever post anything that isn't **** stirring? You add nothing to the discussion.

    There is no discussion


  • #2334
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    No in a hospital with Covid wards. I wouldn't call it a 0% risk of transferring it to the maternity hospital.

    Is she employed by the HSE or an agency?

    And just so I understand, let's say she does five days a week, are you saying three of those are in a hospital which treats covid but she is not on covid wards, and two days she is in a maternity hospital

    So e.g. she might do three days in Naas general and two in the Rotunda?


  • #2335
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Must cleanse the auld echo chamber!

    It's a discussion forum but some don't like discussion. They do like to speak for 99% of posters though as well as abuse others they don't agree with it would seem though.

    Shame but it is what it is.


  • #2336
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Like I've said all along my poor buddy once the government under advice of the HSE tell us we are good to go then happy days.

    Until then let's all row in the same direction for the good of us all.

    Cheers bud.

    Now we're seeing your nice side my poor man.

    You should let it our more often.

    Joking aside I agree with that.

    But surely a sensible man like you my poor friend would also agree that this point needs to come sooner than later or at least we must start working towards it?


  • #2337
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Just a word of advice, sneering and scoffing at people who are sharing their struggles is a sure fire way to hinder any meagre support they might have for your warped wet dream of a totalitarian oppressed society living under Martial Law.

    As well, I shouldn’t even have to tell you that advising someone who is sharing their mental health struggles to
    ‘Toughen up’ is in bad taste and extremely poor advice.

    I'm not looking for support, where you?


  • #2338
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,026 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Stheno wrote: »
    Is she employed by the HSE or an agency?

    And just so I understand, let's say she does five days a week, are you saying three of those are in a hospital which treats covid but she is not on covid wards, and two days she is in a maternity hospital

    So e.g. she might do three days in Naas general and two in the Rotunda?

    Not sure about the employer i'd say there direct as nursing about 20yrs.

    Yes the situation is exactly as you've described above.


  • #2339
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Just a word of advice, sneering and scoffing at people who are sharing their struggles is a sure fire way to hinder any meagre support they might have for your warped wet dream of a totalitarian oppressed society living under Martial Law.

    As well, I shouldn’t even have to tell you that advising someone who is sharing their mental health struggles to
    ‘Toughen up’ is in bad taste and extremely poor advice.

    Don't be too hard on him Susie, this is probably the highlight of his life, let him have his day :)


  • #2340
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I thought my job was a safe bet, I work in the IT industry. About 40% of our clients were in the retail & hospitality industries so we lost that income overnight.
    The remainder of our clients in other industries have tightened their belts, they have cancelled some services & a lot of them negotiated their contracts down to a pittance.
    It was either lose the contract or take the loss.
    Pretty much every project for the next 6 months has been completely cancelled.
    Any new clients in the process of coming on board have run for the hills.

    This has an unbelievable knock on effect, both down the chain and up the chain. Our office is closed, so now our cleaning lady, milkman and newspaper delivery man are also out of work too.
    We aren’t bringing any goods in so our suppliers are effected, as are their suppliers and so on.

    It was thought at the start that the hardest hit would be retail and hospitality employees but that unfortunately is no longer the case. I have friends in a wide range of fields, from engineers to legal secretaries who are now out of work and unsure of their future.

    Yes I know lots of couples like that- may be one was in leisure or hotel type job, the other in construction or related. Don't know the exact details of their circumstances but damn sure their employer can't afford to pay them for doing nothing and so are likely on the €350 per week.
    Never in a million years would want or expected to be on welfare. And have a lifestyle to match like big house, fancy SUV all based on the premise of a sound monthly income.


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  • #2341
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    Imagine this thread without Timbit, we might actually be able to have a proper discussion about what next.


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