Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

hmmm · 26-04-2020 06:52PM

Strumms wrote: »

It is, but when a virus as widespread as covid displays such a disregard for our physical health to the point of having the potential to kill tens of thousands of us at a minimum, mental heath is secondary. Unlikely is not impossible. People need to buck the fûck up, adhere to restrictions and put their country and the wellbeing of all of its citizens to the fore of this crisis. The attention seeking twats can put their brains into gear and get real.

It's not Ebola, no need for scaremongering. It's a dangerous disease we need to control and limit, but there's no need for us to overstate the threat.

Mental health is important, as is exercise. This current situation is probably going to last at least another year, and we need to learn to live with the virus not be held hostage by it.

Away With The Fairies · 26-04-2020 06:52PM

paddythere wrote: »

Where to actually get these masks though? I cant find any anywhere and refuse to be price gouged online?

You can make your own out of bandanas, t-shirts, and elastic bands. Check out videos on YouTube.

iamwhoiam · 26-04-2020 06:52PM

hmmm wrote: »

Well Captain Hindsight, their meetings in January were unlikely to be aware of what happened in Italy and Spain in March.

When they became aware of it in this country, they quickly pivoted testing once resources were available.

I am not talking about January , I am talking about early March
They closed playground yet never recommended to close care home to visitors ?
No they didn’t and there is no need for petty name calling
I know for a fact of one care home who stopped visitors entering before the HSE ever recommended it . They also put out a call in the locality for gloves for staff as they had none .
Tony Holohon was still diddering while the care home were already anticipating the tsunami

MipMap · 26-04-2020 06:52PM

paddythere wrote: »

Where to actually get these masks though? I cant find any anywhere and refuse to be price gouged online?

https://www.banggood.com/buy/mask.html

https://www.gearbest.com/sale/face-mask/

Be right back · 26-04-2020 06:53PM

Mr.S wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/coronavirus-americans-flock-to-beaches-as-some-states-seek-to-reopen-1.4238275?mode=amp

The cover photo is from yesterday.

****ing hell they are doomed.

They'll be ok. Nothing a good dose of disinfectant won't sort out!!! No, seriously what are they thinking? Numbers are going to go through the roof over there.

polesheep · 26-04-2020 06:53PM

hmmm wrote: »

They can't have every sector attending their meetings, there is about 20 people there doing their best to consider all the risks. There are hundreds of areas which needed consideration.

I'm sure with hindsight they would have put more effort into this sector, but every country was focused on preventing hospital overload and didn't realise how quickly it would spread through nursing homes.

I'm sorry, but that won't wash. Surely one of the first items on the agenda should have been a discussion on which elements of society were likely to be most at risk.

keynes · 26-04-2020 06:55PM

pjohnson wrote: »

What a waste of time and resources treating dopes like that.

Sure, and we should pity the unsuspecting people who got it off them

paddythere · 26-04-2020 06:55PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You can make your own out of bandanas, t-shirts, and elastic bands. Check out videos on YouTube.

I've seen some of the videos but seriously, the govt needs to be providing households with masks if they are gonna enforce a mandatory wearing of masks in public

hmmm · 26-04-2020 06:56PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I know for a fact of one care home who stopped visitors entering before the HSE ever recommended it . They also put out a call in the locality for gloves for staff as they had none .
Tony Holohon was still diddering while the care home were already anticipating the tsunami

We were barely able to get enough PPE for our hospitals Captain, let along the entire nursing home sector. Besides, why was that sector itself not prepared for this with PPE, what were they doing begging for gloves?

blade1 · 26-04-2020 06:58PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1254299195957182465

Cheltenham Again

Rein back... I see what they did there

Seriously though, the first few cases in my area were people that were in Cheltenham.

speckle · 26-04-2020 06:58PM

hmmm wrote: »

Well Captain Hindsight, their meetings in January were unlikely to be aware of what happened in Italy and Spain in March.

When they became aware of it in this country, they quickly pivoted testing once resources were available.

So when did they add a representative for care home or nursing homes last week?

iamwhoiam · 26-04-2020 06:59PM

hmmm wrote: »

We were barely able to get enough PPE for our hospitals Captain, let along the entire nursing home sector. Besides, why was that sector itself not prepared for this with PPE, what were they doing begging for gloves?

Would you mind not calling me Captain it’s neither big or clever and doesn’t help your argument at all

Away With The Fairies · 26-04-2020 06:59PM

paddythere wrote: »

I've seen some of the videos but seriously, the govt needs to be providing households with masks if they are gonna enforce a mandatory wearing of masks in public

They can't barely provide the hospitals. Make your own masks and stop relying on masks from the government. Protect yourself, the government doesn't give two fcuks about you.

hmmm · 26-04-2020 06:59PM

polesheep wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that won't wash. Surely one of the first items on the agenda should have been a discussion on which elements of society were likely to be most at risk.

I'm sure they had a million things to consider and discuss - this is a 100 year pandemic. You can read their minutes. You should offer your hindsight services to them, everything is easy after the fact.

Roger_007 · 26-04-2020 06:59PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Would like to see data on this too if available. For the moment, I view it as low risk walking about outside once maintaining a reasonable distance most of the time. Have we actually seen evidence for mass transmission of the virus in open air (and not talking about packed carnivals and other mass gatherings where you are crowded up against each other)?

I think that in the fullness of time it will be seen that the ‘Stay at Home’ policy is counter productive and making the transmission rate worse.
In nearly every household in the country there is someone going out to work or to shop and running the risk of encountering the virus and bringing it back to their home. If everyone in the house is cooped up together most of the time it increases the possibility of one person infecting everyone else in the house.
It is very odd that seasonal flu decreases dramatically in the summer for the very reason that people are spending more time outdoors but we are advised to do the opposite for this virus which is transmitted in exactly the same way.

JP Liz V1 · 26-04-2020 07:01PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The list of sensible countries keeps growing...

When will we join them ?

Surely there is many places in Ireland that could make masks, mass produce

joe_99 · 26-04-2020 07:02PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The list of sensible countries keeps growing...

When will we join them ?

Hopefully

keynes · 26-04-2020 07:03PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Tony Holohon was still diddering while the care home were already anticipating the tsunami

Holohan publicly said it not necessary to limit visits to nursing homes (and thereby embarrassed and belittled the nursing homes who were limiting visitors.) It's similar to the way Varadhar scoffed at Youghal when they announced the cancellation of their Patricks Day parade.
You couldn't make this up.

Jim_Hodge · 26-04-2020 07:03PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I know for a fact of one care home who stopped visitors entering before the HSE ever recommended it . They also put out a call in the locality for gloves for staff as they had none .
Tony Holohon was still diddering while the care home were already anticipating the tsunami

I know such a nursing home too. A private, for profit, organisation. Imposed visitor restrictions in plenty of time but had no decent PPE stocks. They also had agency staff moving between facilities. The virus was brought in by staff members. Some responsibility has to rest with the owners, managers and staff of some of these private homes to have protocols and supplies in place. Of course it has exploded beyond what is manageable for them but they too were slow to react.

ek motor · 26-04-2020 07:04PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I think that in the fullness of time it will be seen that the ‘Stay at Home’ policy is counter productive and making the transmission rate worse.
In nearly every household in the country there is someone going out to work or to shop and running the risk of encountering the virus and bringing it back to their home. If everyone in the house is cooped up together most of the time it increases the possibility of one person infecting everyone else in the house.
It is very odd that seasonal flu decreases dramatically in the summer for the very reason that people are spending more time outdoors but we are advised to do the opposite for this virus which is transmitted in exactly the same way.

The r0 of SARS-CoV-2 without any social distancing or other restrictions is estimated to be around 5.7 . We ve brought it below 1 by implementing these restrictions (as has Germany and other countries.)

coastwatch · 26-04-2020 07:05PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am not talking about January , I am talking about early March
They closed playground yet never recommended to close care home to visitors ?
No they didn’t and there is no need for petty name calling
I know for a fact of one care home who stopped visitors entering before the HSE ever recommended it . They also put out a call in the locality for gloves for staff as they had none .
Tony Holohon was still diddering while the care home were already anticipating the tsunami

It's just as likely the virus came into nursing homes though asymptomatic staff as through visitors, so nearly impossible to prevent.

Jim_Hodge · 26-04-2020 07:05PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

, the government doesn't give two fcuks about you.

Would you get real.

polesheep · 26-04-2020 07:06PM

hmmm wrote: »

I'm sure they had a million things to consider and discuss - this is a 100 year pandemic. You can read their minutes. You should offer your hindsight services to them, everything is easy after the fact.

Was logging off as I've other things to do, but I can't let this go. Hindsight my backside! While this was still only a thing in China I was discussing it with my brother, a retired nurse, and he predicted that it would run riot here if it got in... in particular within the nursing homes. And you're trying to say that the government appointed expert group could not have foreseen that? Give me a break.

iamwhoiam · 26-04-2020 07:08PM

coastwatch wrote: »

It's just as likely the virus came into nursing homes though asymptomatic staff as through visitors, so nearly impossible to prevent.

Maybe so but I still maintain the HSE took their eye off the ball and neglected the care homes until it was too late

Xertz · 26-04-2020 07:09PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Surely there is many places in Ireland that could make masks, mass produce

There would possibly have been decades ago, but there really isn't much of a textile industry in Ireland, other than low volume, very high end stuff and that really wouldn't be able to produce a volume of anything.

We have at least one company that makes actual masks, IREMA in Limerick. They produce filter materials and disposable respirator masks, which would be spec'd for everything from simple surgical masks to FFP2 and FFP3 (highest level filtration) and they were churning out 1.3 million or so a week. That's now going up to 2.6 million.

I would assume the HSE's mask consumption rate is pretty high as those devices are single use.

I mean just lets say you've 65,000 active nurses and maybe 20,000+ others (doctors and paramedics) -
[NB: this is just my make up figures for illustrative purposes]

So let's say 85,000 staff needing masks.
Let's assume they dispose of 7 masks each every day.
and work 6 days a week.

85,000 x 7 = 595,000

X 6 days a week =

3,570,000

You've already got more demand than one factory can cover.

You can see how these volumes start to get absolutely enormous, even just for Ireland.

To stockpile 1 year's supply at that rate is

1,303,050,000 masks !

Strazdas · 26-04-2020 07:09PM

coastwatch wrote: »

It's just as likely the virus came into nursing homes though asymptomatic staff as through visitors, so nearly impossible to prevent.

One of the docs at the briefings also said that the symptoms of Covid in very old people can often be very different to those under the age of 65, which adds to the confusion.....staff might think they're dealing with an unwell person but not one with Covid.

Rob A. Bank · 26-04-2020 07:11PM

keynes wrote: »

Holohan publicly said it not necessary to limit visits to nursing homes (and thereby embarrassed and belittled the nursing homes who were limiting visitors.) It's similar to the way Varadhar scoffed at Youghal when they announced the cancellation of their Patricks Day parade.
You couldn't make this up.

And Holohan also said that he could see no reason to cancel the St' Patrick's Day parades... just as sensible people everywhere were cancelling their parades.

That coupled with his the total failure to monitor, screen and quarantine arrivals to the country from known hotspots, from the first DOH presser until now, makes me suspect his judgement.

Away With The Fairies · 26-04-2020 07:12PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Would you get real.

They didn't care about the nursing homes either at the beginning. Didn't they think the nursing homes putting in restrictions was too much? Look at that now.

hmmm · 26-04-2020 07:12PM

polesheep wrote: »

While this was still only a thing in China I was discussing it with my brother, a retired nurse, and he predicted that it would run riot here if it got in... in particular within the nursing homes.

Right.

I'm not sure what at all you were expecting the HSE to do about thousands of nursing homes. They got what PPE was available and (correctly) sent it to the hospitals.

They used our limited testing capacity to target community spread. Once all the hypochondriacs clogged up the system, they moved the testing focus to health care workers.

Now with extra capacity they are focusing on nursing homes.

You do realise this is a pandemic? It's not like anyone had years to get the Covid testing kits in stock. I'm still at a loss to understand why nursing homes lacking PPE is anyone's responsibility but their own.

iamwhoiam · 26-04-2020 07:13PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

And Holohan also said that he could see no reason to cancel the St' Patrick's Day parades... just as sensible people everywhere were cancelling their parades.

That coupled with his the total failure to monitor, screen and quarantine arrivals to the country from known hotspots, from the first DOH presser until now, makes me suspect his judgement.

And cancelling the rugby match but letting the Italians arrive . No match on so the flocked to pubs and restaurants

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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