Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

jackboy · 26-04-2020 01:10PM

joe_99 wrote: »

Donegal Sinn Fein representative in the studio. Any comment? Or just bashing a guy doing an interview outside his house.

Eamon Ryan was breaking the rules outside his house, the guy in the studio was not. RTE are constantly doing pieces with people breaking the rules. That is the point I was making.

Inquitus · 26-04-2020 01:10PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Source? Study? What trials are you referring to?

The WHO said it yesterday. They have changed their tune a bit today,

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1254160937805926405

eagle eye · 26-04-2020 01:10PM

Kivaro wrote:

So it is expected that Stockholm could have herd immunity in weeks. While it does not mean the end of the pandemic for that city; it certainly begs some questions as they continued to function with limited social distancing rules in place while their pubs and restaurants and most other businesses remained open.

The first line is key. There are question marks over whether herd immunity is possible. Anybody claiming it is at this stage is an idiot and really should not be allowed print that garbage.
If you haven't heard, there are reports from many countries of people getting infected a second time.
If that's actually true then there will never be herd immunity.

PokeHerKing · 26-04-2020 01:11PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Aye if they can only use half the space they need to charge twice the price, this is problematic.

Rents will have to halve to accommodate , everything will need to cascade down or the country/world will just turn into a mad max styled wasteland. We will adapt.

Snow Garden · 26-04-2020 01:12PM

bush wrote: »

Why cant restaurants open again if they change to allow social distancing?

They are struggling to manage social distancing in hospital canteens.

There is social distancing and then there are packed kitchens and waiters bringing you plates/cups/utensils that has been touched by many hands.

Pubs/restaurants will be the last workplaces to open. Not in 2020.

The chance of a '2nd/3rd wave' and reduction in ICU capacity when the normal flu season comes around in Autumn will ensure pubs/restaurants do not reopen this year. It would be negligent to do so. I would imagine they might reopen this time next year i.e. April 2021.

Inquitus · 26-04-2020 01:13PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Rents will have to halve to accommodate , everything will need to cascade down or the country/world will just turn into a mad max styled wasteland. We will adapt.

Getting half the rent on a Commercial Property may well put all of the owners out of business...whatever you do will have its impact somewhere.

Stheno · 26-04-2020 01:13PM

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-hse-boss-says-plans-agreed-to-ramp-up-covid-19-testing-to-100000-per-week-39157754.html

HSE say they wont have testing scales up to 100000 a week until the 3rd week of May

This imo could delay removal of restrictions

26-04-2020 01:17PM

Inquitus wrote: »

There is no confirmation yet that having had COVID-19 confers immunity.

There is no confirmation, no.

But four months into this there is not a single case of a person getting the disease and then getting it again. Of all the many frontline workers (particularly in healthcare) who have had it and returned to work, not one has got it again.

Trust me, you would know all about it if that had happened, it would be headline news all over the world.

There have been ambiguous reports of people who tested negative testing positive again, and some indications that people who have asymptomatic disease don't generate antibodies - but nobody has got the disease with symptoms twice.

It would be expected that exposure gives some immunity and so far that appears to be the case.

BTW if the disease doesn't confer immunity nor will a vaccine, so we might as well get on with learning to live with it,.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 26-04-2020 01:19PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Many of them will not open again ever. Rural pubs in particular were just about surviving. They won’t survive this.

And?

Perhaps some of them will go bust, and then the property can be reused for something a bit more positive to society rather than a booze house!?

The way some people talk about Irish pubs, you would swear they were some sort of essential business. They're a luxury, not a necessity in society.

expectationlost · 26-04-2020 01:19PM

did something happen to the HSE briefing stream? https://www.pscp.tv/rtenews/1mnGeQvgMdvGX can't play it

got it here https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1254349501030113280

PokeHerKing · 26-04-2020 01:20PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Getting half the rent on a Commercial Property may well put all of the owners out of business...whatever you do will have its impact somewhere.

Absolutely and there'll be many a boarded up unit in the city centre as is always the case in downturns. If rents can be reduced they will, these units will stay open, their landlords will stay a float and they'll ride it out. The ones that can't, wont.

titan18 · 26-04-2020 01:20PM

Deleted User wrote:

There have been ambiguous reports of people who tested negative testing positive again, and some indications that people who have asymptomatic disease don't generate antibodies - but nobody has got the disease with symptoms twice.

Not ambiguous, that did happen. Whether someone was fully recovered and got it again or it was thought they had but still traces of the virus in them is unknown

GM228 · 26-04-2020 01:23PM

Inquitus wrote: »

The WHO said it yesterday. They have changed their tune a bit today,

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1254160937805926405

Yesterday they said there is currently "no evidence" of, but then they say they "expect" immunity, how is that changing their tune?

On one hand they say a scientific fact (which currently it is that there is no scientific evidence), and on the other they state their expectations, seems OK in my books.

Inquitus · 26-04-2020 01:26PM

GM228 wrote: »

Yesterday they said there is currently "no evidence" of, but then they say they "expect" immunity, how is that changing their tune?

On one hand they say a scientific fact (which currently it is that there is no scientific evidence), and on the other they state their expectations, seems OK in my books.

According to the press they walked back, which is a change of tune.

The WHO alarmed some in the scientific community when it said, in a briefing note published on Saturday, that “there is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from Covid-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection”.

Late last night, the Geneva-based body walked back its statement, saying: “We expect that most people who are infected with #COVID19 will develop an antibody response that will provide some level of protection.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/apr/26/coronavirus-uk-news-boris-johnson-says-public-health-is-the-priority-live-news

joe_99 · 26-04-2020 01:27PM

jackboy wrote: »

Eamon Ryan was breaking the rules outside his house, the guy in the studio was not. RTE are constantly doing pieces with people breaking the rules. That is the point I was making.

How is driving hundreds of KM to go to a studio not worse than stepping into your garden?

Explain the difference to me because I'm confused. Both people were performing the exact same task.

We are allowed leave our houses. You do know that??

stephenjmcd · 26-04-2020 01:27PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

They are struggling to manage social distancing in hospital canteens.

There is social distancing and then there are packed kitchens and waiters bringing you plates/cups/utensils that has been touched by many hands.

Pubs/restaurants will be the last workplaces to open. Not in 2020.

The chance of a '2nd/3rd wave' and reduction in ICU capacity when the normal flu season comes around in Autumn will ensure pubs/restaurants do not reopen this year. It would be negligent to do so. I would imagine they might reopen this time next year i.e. April 2021.

April 2021, good luck with that. There wont be a restaurant or pub left in that case. Theres a full thread on this but hospitality bodies are currently engaged with the government on how to reopen.

Think your in for a bit of a shock whenever they open in a few months

jackboy · 26-04-2020 01:31PM

joe_99 wrote: »

How is driving hundreds of KM to go to a studio not worse than stepping into your garden?

He was not in his garden, he was outside his property. This is not allowed. I didn’t make the rules.

There are people being cautioned by the guards for a lot less.

Speakerboxx · 26-04-2020 01:33PM

Are builders allowed to go back to work after may 5th?

timsey tiger · 26-04-2020 01:35PM

does anybody have a breakdown of the new cases graph, between "community infection", "direct contact" and foreign travel?

WhiteMemento9 · 26-04-2020 01:38PM

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Are builders allowed to go back to work after may 5th?

We haven't been given any official confirmation on what will happen on the 5th.

Jim_Hodge · 26-04-2020 01:38PM

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Are builders allowed to go back to work after may 5th?

As it stands right now nobody is allowed anything different after 5th May until it's announced and nothing has been announced yet.

caveat emptor · 26-04-2020 01:41PM

Does this mean if a health care worker wants to live separate from family they can while this is going on? In Wuhan all staff lived separately so as not to pass infection to community. Given what we know about the transmission of this virus in the home , this is a no brainer. Very tough on individuals and families. I’D be terrified of infections kids or older family members if I lived with them. Better late than never.

https://twitter.com/simonharristd/status/1254358906748493824?s=21

Away With The Fairies · 26-04-2020 01:49PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Do people think they’ll relax the restrictions on the 5th or are we in this for another week? I would think before restrictions are lifted at all that we will have to start wearing masks in public.

People are getting fed up and complacent now. CMO was spot on in the time frame of placing restrictions as his timeline for this fatigue has been accurate.

I think overall it is being handled very well apart from the lack of travel restrictions and support to nursing homes. Hopefully lessons will be learned from this and we can start opening up 5th May

I really don't see how they can relax restrictions. We have to get below 100 new cases per day... Look how much we're getting now and that's not testing everybody with symptoms.

Honestly, maybe June or July. I mean end of July is when the exams are going ahead, so maybe then. But I don't know what their plan is to get below 100 a day. And I don't see below a 100 day for May or June either... But then other countries are relaxing restrictions and they still have high numbers of cases per day.

The whole thing is just a fcuk up. Half arsed lockdown with no fines. People who want to mingle know nothing will be done to them.

John.Icy · 26-04-2020 01:55PM

I know I shouldn't be confused at where the conspiracy type folk get their notions...but the every death in Ireland is listed as COVID-19 the last two months regardless of anything? There were 79 COVID-19 deaths by the 31st of March. Took me two minutes to go and check were there only 79 deaths from the 1-31st March in the country. April probably not as drastic of an example. Honestly, saw a man under an article of a notice of the body being recovered from Tramore saying the death would go down as COVID-19.

EDIT: I wonder if there's confusion in the sense that all deaths on RIP.ie say come with a funeral warning relating COVID-19, i.e. restricted gathering due to restrictions. Maybe they are taking that and running that it is listed as a COVID-19 death. Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit there.

stephenjmcd · 26-04-2020 01:57PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Does this mean if a health care worker wants to live separate from family they can while this is going on? In Wuhan all staff lived separately so as not to pass infection to community. Given what we know about the transmission of this virus in the home , this is a no brainer. Very tough on individuals and families. I’D be terrified of infections kids or older family members if I lived with them. Better late than never.

https://twitter.com/simonharristd/status/1254358906748493824?s=21

Not sure about if they can avail on it when living with family, could be but hadn't seen that mentioned.

I know if they live with other healthcare staff or are say living in a house share then they can apply for the temporary accommodation.

No idea what way a family setting works, you would hope they can avail of it.

eagle eye · 26-04-2020 01:58PM

Deleted User wrote:

But four months into this there is not a single case of a person getting the disease and then getting it again. Of all the many frontline workers (particularly in healthcare) who have had it and returned to work, not one has got it again.

Have you been living under a rock for the last week?
There have been many reports of people getting it again. South Korea claimed they had a number of reinfected patients.
It's too early to be certain if it's a case where the virus reduces in the body beyond being detected by current testing but there's certainly no basis to believe that you are immune if you have had it.

VonLuck · 26-04-2020 01:59PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I really don't see how they can relax restrictions. We have to get below 100 new cases per day... Look how much we're getting now and that's not testing everybody with symptoms.

Honestly, maybe June or July. I mean end of July is when the exams are going ahead, so maybe then. But I don't know what their plan is to get below 100 a day. And I don't see below a 100 day for May or June either... But then other countries are relaxing restrictions and they still have high numbers of cases per day.

The whole thing is just a fcuk up. Half arsed lockdown with no fines. People who want to mingle know nothing will be done to them.

You think that the current level of restrictions will be in place until the end of July?! Not a chance! The public wouldn't tolerate it.

What the government need to do is relax some of the measures so that the public are still on their side. If they don't do something they will lose support and will be very difficult to implement any potential future restrictions.

pjohnson · 26-04-2020 02:00PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Getting half the rent on a Commercial Property may well put all of the owners out of business...whatever you do will have its impact somewhere.

Well is half the rent not better than nothing?

eagle eye · 26-04-2020 02:00PM

VonLuck wrote:

You think that the current level of restrictions will be in place until the end of July?! Not a chance! The public wouldn't tolerate it.

You think people don't care about spreading the virus and being responsible for others dying?

Summer2020 · 26-04-2020 02:01PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I really don't see how they can relax restrictions. We have to get below 100 new cases per day... Look how much we're getting now and that's not testing everybody with symptoms.

Honestly, maybe June or July. I mean end of July is when the exams are going ahead, so maybe then. But I don't know what their plan is to get below 100 a day. And I don't see below a 100 day for May or June either... But then other countries are relaxing restrictions and they still have high numbers of cases per day.

The whole thing is just a fcuk up. Half arsed lockdown with no fines. People who want to mingle know nothing will be done to them.

This is it exactly. It’s a half arsed typical Ireland lockdown. When you hear from the Taoiseach that he doesn’t want Ireland to “become a police state” that tells you all you need to know. Politicians , CMO all coming out with lines like we all need to “stick the course”, and they’re worried about people becoming more lax - if they’re that worried then give guards proper powers to issue on the spot fines. People know it’s a joke at this stage, give the standard “off to the shops/chemist” etc and you’re on your way.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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