Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Bobtheman · 26-04-2020 06:54AM

GoneHome wrote: »

Even if it goes down to the €203 per week each we'd still survive, we live a rural area 45 minutes - 1 hour from Limerick city where we both work, small mortgarge for a lovely house and an acre of garden. There's a lot to be said for living in the sticks, we were just talking about it today and we were saying jesus imagine being above in Dublin stuck in a small 1 bedroom apartment, no thanks.

It's still fxxxx limerick you like iive in. Don't get any ideas.Linerick is a **** hole!

Gael23 · 26-04-2020 07:45AM

They said yesterday there won’t be a Big Bang of changes on May 5th. I would be ok with that as long as there are some changes like lifting the 2km rule and an outline set out on life getting back to normal

BillyBiggs · 26-04-2020 07:50AM

Gael23 wrote: »

They said yesterday there won’t be a Big Bang of changes on May 5th. I would be ok with that as long as there are some changes like lifting the 2km rule and an outline set out on life getting back to normal

The only big change on May 5th will be a lockdown extension. Ask yourself what’s really going to change in the next two weeks (or less) and what will make the government think it’s safe to lift restrictions?

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2020 07:59AM

BillyBiggs wrote: »

The only big change on May 5th will be a lockdown extension. Ask yourself what’s really going to change in the next two weeks (or less) and what will make the government think it’s safe to lift restrictions?

On what grounds is there a justification for continued lockdown, everyone was asked to play their part most did, the virus doesn’t seem to active in the community now so will be even less so in 10 days. Distancing is the key a ban on people’s movements isn’t necessary. A ban on certain people like health workers and Garda movements is required next as they haven’t being following the restrictions so they are now a threat due to their activity. Unless the guards are immune to Coronavirus, they have no PPE, 3 or 4 in the same car then going home to different house after each shift, the guards could end up being a super spreader like the health care system.

SusieBlue · 26-04-2020 08:04AM

BillyBiggs wrote: »

The only big change on May 5th will be a lockdown extension. Ask yourself what’s really going to change in the next two weeks (or less) and what will make the government think it’s safe to lift restrictions?

It’s not going to be safe to go about normal life until we find a cure or a vaccine. That could be months if not years away.
Do you propose we stay locked up indefinitely until we find either, even if it means locking things down till 2021 and beyond?

If not, then what’s the difference between slowly reopening some services on the 5th versus in say, September? Bearing in mind the fact that we’ve flattened the curve and our hospitals are now well prepared, and the public is now educated in social distancing/cough etiquette etc.

I genuinely still have yet to see one single argument as to why waiting another few weeks/months will have any benefit whatsoever. All it will do is lower morale even further and completely annihilate what little is left of the economy.
At this rate continuing the lockdown will do more damage to us, both health wise and financially, than easing up restrictions will.

The chan chan man · 26-04-2020 08:10AM

BillyBiggs wrote: »

The only big change on May 5th will be a lockdown extension. Ask yourself what’s really going to change in the next two weeks (or less) and what will make the government think it’s safe to lift restrictions?

Spot on. People seem to think everything’s changing on the 5th! Its not..

SNNUS · 26-04-2020 08:12AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

It’s not going to be safe to go about normal life until we find a cure or a vaccine. That could be months if not years away.
Do you propose we stay locked up indefinitely until we find either, even if it means locking things down till 2021 and beyond?

If not, then what’s the difference between slowly reopening some services on the 5th versus in say, September? Bearing in mind the fact that we’ve flattened the curve and our hospitals are now well prepared, and the public is now educated in social distancing/cough etiquette etc.

I genuinely still have yet to see one single argument as to why waiting another few weeks/months will have any benefit whatsoever. All it will do is lower morale even further and completely annihilate what little is left of the economy.
At this rate continuing the lockdown will do more damage to us, both health wise and financially, than easing up restrictions will.

It's easier to just shout Shutdown FFS!, Of course no other talk of how to continue life with this virus, but sure they will be payed €350 a week to wait 2-3 years for a vaccine ......

gozunda · 26-04-2020 08:14AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

On what grounds is there a justification for continued lockdown, everyone was asked to play their part most did, the virus doesn’t seem to active in the community now so will be even less so in 10 days. Distancing is the key a ban on people’s movements isn’t necessary. A ban on certain people like health workers and Garda movements is required next as they haven’t being following the restrictions so they are now a threat due to their activity. Unless the guards are immune to Coronavirus, they have no PPE, 3 or 4 in the same car then going home to different house after each shift, the guards could end up being a super spreader like the health care system.

On the very simple grounds that restrictions are preventing the health service from being overwhelmed by out of control rates of infection.

The R0 has been reduced precisely because of these restrictions. Remove them and the number of people infected will climb once again. How difficult is that to understand?

Not sure what you're on about PPE and the gardai? They have been supplied with and are using ppe since March.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/600000-pairs-of-gloves-and-vats-of-sanitiser-on-way-to-gardai-987860.html

I have seen gardai at checkpoints wearing facemasks as well.

It already been stated that there will be a phased roll back of restrictions as this moves forward. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not going to help anyone.

SNNUS · 26-04-2020 08:17AM

Ahwell wrote: »

Where are you getting this little community transmission notion from?

Here is my notion, from the bosses mouth.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-community-spread-mostly-under-control-but-evidence-of-people-moving-about-1.4236429

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2020 08:20AM

gozunda wrote: »

On the very simple grounds that restrictions are preventing the health service from being overwhelmed by out of control rates of infection.

The R0 has been reduced precisely because of these restrictions. Remove them and the number of people infected will climb once again. How difficult is that to understand?

Not sure what your on about PPE and the gardai? They have been supplied with and are using ppe since March.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/600000-pairs-of-gloves-and-vats-of-sanitiser-on-way-to-gardai-987860.html

I have seen gardai at checkpoints wearing facemasks as well.

I haven't seen them wearing gloves and masks at checkpoints, I've seen arrests without these as well, feck all distancing between each other and there not isolated from their family when they get home. If it was active in the community they guards would be riddled and there not. Nobody's watching the watchmen.

GazzaL · 26-04-2020 08:22AM

gozunda wrote: »

On the very simple grounds that restrictions are preventing the health service from being overwhelmed by out of control rates of infection.

The R0 has been reduced precisely because of these restrictions. Remove them and the number of people infected will climb once again. How difficult is that to understand?

Not sure what your on about PPE and the gardai? They have been supplied with and are using ppe since March.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/600000-pairs-of-gloves-and-vats-of-sanitiser-on-way-to-gardai-987860.html

I have seen gardai at checkpoints wearing facemasks as well.

I haven't seen any Gardai wearing facemasks.

We were told we would see a return to action if we hit the targets, which we have not only hit, but obliterated. Professor Nolan said since early April the growth rate of new cases was effectively zero.

GooglePlus · 26-04-2020 08:25AM

Will be interesting to see what happens on May 5th. They'll probably give an inch and we'll most certainly take a mile, so they'll probably base that inch on the mile we take.

We're gonna be under some form of restrictions until a vaccine, that's for sure.

timmy_mallet · 26-04-2020 08:28AM

The chan chan man wrote: »

Spot on. People seem to think everything’s changing on the 5th! Its not..

Things will change, people have accepted the current sickness and loss of life figures. Itd be a stretch to assume pubs will be open, but there will be relaxation. Curious to know what you would think is reasonable in terms of relaxation at this stage.

GazzaL · 26-04-2020 08:30AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Gardaí cannot arrest NI visitors for breaches of Covid-19 restrictions

Garda Headquarters has informed senior officers all over the country that the restrictions on movement to stop the spread of the coronavirus do not apply to people on day trips from Northern Ireland and that powers of enforcement cannot be used on them.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0425/1134822-garda-headquarters-restrictions/

Brilliant

Great loop hole from Leo, Simon and Co

A visitor from the North can travel to Cork and back no bother for non essential travel but I can't visit friends 3km away

Bloody jokeshop

Another nail in the coffin for the lockdown. When you see this alongside the situation at the Curragh, no reasonable person is happy that these laws are only applicable to some people and not others.

timmy_mallet · 26-04-2020 08:30AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Will be interesting to see what happens on May 5th. They'll probably give an inch and we'll most certainly take a mile, so they'll probably base that inch on the mile we take.

We're gonna be under some form of restrictions until a vaccine, that's for sure.

Dont think so, vaccine is 2 years out. Immunity, health service capacity and acceptance of sickness and loss of life will see majority of normalcy return within 12 mi ths from now.

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2020 08:31AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Will be interesting to see what happens on May 5th. They'll probably give an inch and we'll most certainly take a mile, so they'll probably base that inch on the mile we take.

We're gonna be under some form of restrictions until a vaccine, that's for sure.

What Vaccine, there is none and won’t be for years. Our only option as an island is to keep the virus out once it’s killed off. That means serious restrictions on anyone entering the country. This should have been in place since the start of lockdown sadly it’s still not. A waste of all our efforts.

timmy_mallet · 26-04-2020 08:34AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What Vaccine, there is none and won’t be for years. Our only option as an island is to keep the virus out once it’s killed off. That means serious restrictions on anyone entering the country. This should have been in place since the start of lockdown sadly it’s still not. A waste of all our efforts.

You be happy with that being reciprocal? You think business travel wont resume, I'd doubt that.

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2020 08:37AM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

You be happy with that being reciprocal? You think business travel wont resume, I'd doubt that.

Yes, your locked up for two weeks if you do travel though. We can stop this completely on our little island, requires a government to get un woke though something Leo and Harris aren’t capable of.

GooglePlus · 26-04-2020 08:38AM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Dont think so, vaccine is 2 years out. Immunity, health service capacity and acceptance of sickness and loss of life will see majority of normalcy return within 12 mi ths from now.

We know very little about the virus and the immunity after contracting Covid, so we can't rely on that.

When I say some form of restrictions, I mean large events off until a vaccine and international travel etc. I don't think we'll be in lockdown for that amount of time.

There's plenty of vaccines in trial across the globe with unprecedented funding being thrown at the race, which will bring the timeframe for mass production well forward.

BillyBiggs · 26-04-2020 08:38AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

It’s not going to be safe to go about normal life until we find a cure or a vaccine. That could be months if not years away.
Do you propose we stay locked up indefinitely until we find either, even if it means locking things down till 2021 and beyond?

If not, then what’s the difference between slowly reopening some services on the 5th versus in say, September? Bearing in mind the fact that we’ve flattened the curve and our hospitals are now well prepared, and the public is now educated in social distancing/cough etiquette etc.

I genuinely still have yet to see one single argument as to why waiting another few weeks/months will have any benefit whatsoever. All it will do is lower morale even further and completely annihilate what little is left of the economy.
At this rate continuing the lockdown will do more damage to us, both health wise and financially, than easing up restrictions will.

I’m not for further lockdowns at all, believe me I know they will destroy the economy. I’m tired of lockdowns as much as anybody else and don’t wish to extend the date. The fact is that most government are throwing out aspiration reopening dates/ dates that the public can live with, then as the aforementioned date approaches they simply extend the lockdown. People accept such an approach easier than say setting September 30th being set as a reopening date.

BillyBiggs · 26-04-2020 08:39AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

On what grounds is there a justification for continued lockdown, everyone was asked to play their part most did, the virus doesn’t seem to active in the community now so will be even less so in 10 days. Distancing is the key a ban on people’s movements isn’t necessary. A ban on certain people like health workers and Garda movements is required next as they haven’t being following the restrictions so they are now a threat due to their activity. Unless the guards are immune to Coronavirus, they have no PPE, 3 or 4 in the same car then going home to different house after each shift, the guards could end up being a super spreader like the health care system.

I’m not for further lockdowns at all, believe me I know they will destroy the economy. I’m tired of lockdowns as much as anybody else and don’t wish to extend the date. The fact is that most government are throwing out aspiration reopening dates/ dates that the public can live with, then as the aforementioned date approaches they simply extend the lockdown. People accept such an approach easier than say setting September 30th being set as a reopening date.

JRant · 26-04-2020 08:41AM

gozunda wrote: »

On the very simple grounds that restrictions are preventing the health service from being overwhelmed by out of control rates of infection.

The R0 has been reduced precisely because of these restrictions. Remove them and the number of people infected will climb once again. How difficult is that to understand?

Not sure what you're on about PPE and the gardai? They have been supplied with and are using ppe since March.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/600000-pairs-of-gloves-and-vats-of-sanitiser-on-way-to-gardai-987860.html

I have seen gardai at checkpoints wearing facemasks as well.

It already been stated that there will be a phased roll back of restrictions as this moves forward. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not going to help anyone.

We have to open up though. Staying locked down is not an option. Yes, case numbers will probably increase slightly once restrictions start to be removed but the initial idea was never to get the numbers down to zero, which seems to be where the conversation is turning.

I've also seen a fair few checkpoints and it's been a mixture of Garda where / not wearing them.

timmy_mallet · 26-04-2020 08:45AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

We know very little about the virus and the immunity after contracting Covid, so we can't rely on that.

When I say some form of restrictions, I mean large events off until a vaccine and international travel etc. I don't think we'll be in lockdown for that amount of time.

There's plenty of vaccines in trial across the globe with unprecedented funding being thrown at the race, which will bring the timeframe for mass production well forward.

I dont understand how people can be so optimistic about vaccine, working in the industry, I dont see it at happening in any reasonable time frame. Our best hope is our own immune systems, healthier people and some sort of acceptance of sickness.

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2020 08:45AM

BillyBiggs wrote: »

I’m not for further lockdowns at all, believe me I know they will destroy the economy. I’m tired of lockdowns as much as anybody else and don’t wish to extend the date. The fact is that most government are throwing out aspiration reopening dates/ dates that the public can live with, then as the aforementioned date approaches they simply extend the lockdown. People accept such an approach easier than say setting September 30th being set as a reopening date.

Travellers and Northeners haven’t restrictions, lots of workers don’t have restrictions, I’m one of those who can travel where I like what I can’t do is take my kids to the beach or park which I find utterly stupid as long as we’re distancing. This is basically house arrest, I’ve no confidence in Tony and Harris, one appointed the other and both trying to save each other over their mishandling and continued mishandling of the situation. It’s a clown show from the start.

wadacrack · 26-04-2020 08:47AM

Relation of restrictions is not really going to help the situation at this time. For a few days it will feel great but it is the core problem will still be their and it will be much worse with the disease impacting every town/community on a much greater scale. More death and more severe illness in the population it will be truly awful and the economy and social life will be severely impacted.Its not a choice between economy and health, this situation is not so black and white. It was a month ago we wanted to stay home and save lives and now as a society it seems a large minority just cant deal with it anymore. The mental health impact is not going away. Its unavoidable in a pandemic. The lack of perspective and looking at this with a long term view is mind boggling. The disease doubles in 3 days if we go back to normal,so if restrictions are lifted slightly, we are in trouble. The South Korean model is worth following considering the path we have chosen to take with suppressing the virus , which means we need much lower daily case counts. Society needs to start accepting the new way of life for now, it may take years for normality to resume.

Gael23 · 26-04-2020 08:49AM

GazzaL wrote: »

Another nail in the coffin for the lockdown. When you see this alongside the situation at the Curragh, no reasonable person is happy that these laws are only applicable to some people and not others.

And traveller funerals of around 200 people allowed go ahead with full knowledge of Gardaí

GooglePlus · 26-04-2020 08:49AM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I dont understand how people can be so optimistic about vaccine, working in the industry, I dont see it at happening in any reasonable time frame. Our best hope is our own immune systems, healthier people and some sort of acceptance of sickness.

I know little to nothing about vaccines and the process involved to get them to market.

I had heard that the Oxford vaccine is essentially a trialled and proven method for other virus, so they just need to adapt it to contain some harmless components of SARS2, so our body will produce antibodies.

They're trialling on humans now and hope to have it ready by the end of the year, if the trials go well.

timmy_mallet · 26-04-2020 08:51AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Relation of restrictions is not really going to help the situation at this time. For a few days it will feel great but it is the core problem will still be their and it will be much worse with the disease impacting every town/community on a much greater scale. More death and more severe illness in the population it will be truly awful and the economy and social life will be severely impacted.Its not a choice between economy and health, this situation is not so black and white. It was a month ago we wanted to stay home and save lives and now as a society it seems a large minority just cant deal with it anymore. The mental health impact is not going away. Its unavoidable in a pandemic. The lack of perspective and looking at this with a long term view is mind boggling. The disease doubles in 3 days if we go back to normal,so if restrictions are lifted slightly, we are in trouble. The South Korean model is worth following considering the path we have chosen to take with suppressing the virus , which means we need much lower daily case counts. Society needs to start accepting the new way of life for now, it may take years for normality to resume.

Correct, it's not black and white, so our society has to be find a comfort zone of life and illness living alongside each other

gozunda · 26-04-2020 08:54AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I haven't seen them wearing gloves and masks at checkpoints, I've seen arrests without these as well, feck all distancing between each other and there not isolated from their family when they get home. If it was active in the community they guards would be riddled and there not. Nobody's watching the watchmen.

And I've seen the opposite at checkpoints. Both masks and gloves and observing social distancing. Btw exactly how many arrests have you came across in your travels?

That there are some who might not using PPE is certainly not an argument that is the status quo and we should all throw in the towel ...

gozunda · 26-04-2020 08:59AM

JRant wrote: »

We have to open up though. Staying locked down is not an option. Yes, case numbers will probably increase slightly once restrictions start to be removed but the initial idea was never to get the numbers down to zero, which seems to be where the conversation is turning.

I've also seen a fair few checkpoints and it's been a mixture of Garda where / not wearing them.

No serious authority is saying 'we have to stay locked down" forever ffs

Thats simply hyperbole. It already been detailed that restrictions will be eased as things improve.

The primary objective is to stop the health service being overrun and rates of infection climbing out of control. Thats it really.

As for the Gardai - maybe make a complaint if you've personally witnessed arbarent behaviour such as you describe. Its certainly not an excuse of 'oh look at them"!

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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