GoneHome wrote: » Even if it goes down to the €203 per week each we'd still survive, we live a rural area 45 minutes - 1 hour from Limerick city where we both work, small mortgarge for a lovely house and an acre of garden. There's a lot to be said for living in the sticks, we were just talking about it today and we were saying jesus imagine being above in Dublin stuck in a small 1 bedroom apartment, no thanks.
Gael23 wrote: » They said yesterday there won’t be a Big Bang of changes on May 5th. I would be ok with that as long as there are some changes like lifting the 2km rule and an outline set out on life getting back to normal
BillyBiggs wrote: » The only big change on May 5th will be a lockdown extension. Ask yourself what’s really going to change in the next two weeks (or less) and what will make the government think it’s safe to lift restrictions?
SusieBlue wrote: » It’s not going to be safe to go about normal life until we find a cure or a vaccine. That could be months if not years away. Do you propose we stay locked up indefinitely until we find either, even if it means locking things down till 2021 and beyond? If not, then what’s the difference between slowly reopening some services on the 5th versus in say, September? Bearing in mind the fact that we’ve flattened the curve and our hospitals are now well prepared, and the public is now educated in social distancing/cough etiquette etc. I genuinely still have yet to see one single argument as to why waiting another few weeks/months will have any benefit whatsoever. All it will do is lower morale even further and completely annihilate what little is left of the economy. At this rate continuing the lockdown will do more damage to us, both health wise and financially, than easing up restrictions will.
drunkmonkey wrote: » On what grounds is there a justification for continued lockdown, everyone was asked to play their part most did, the virus doesn’t seem to active in the community now so will be even less so in 10 days. Distancing is the key a ban on people’s movements isn’t necessary. A ban on certain people like health workers and Garda movements is required next as they haven’t being following the restrictions so they are now a threat due to their activity. Unless the guards are immune to Coronavirus, they have no PPE, 3 or 4 in the same car then going home to different house after each shift, the guards could end up being a super spreader like the health care system.
Ahwell wrote: » Where are you getting this little community transmission notion from?
gozunda wrote: » On the very simple grounds that restrictions are preventing the health service from being overwhelmed by out of control rates of infection. The R0 has been reduced precisely because of these restrictions. Remove them and the number of people infected will climb once again. How difficult is that to understand? Not sure what your on about PPE and the gardai? They have been supplied with and are using ppe since March.https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/600000-pairs-of-gloves-and-vats-of-sanitiser-on-way-to-gardai-987860.html I have seen gardai at checkpoints wearing facemasks as well.
The chan chan man wrote: » Spot on. People seem to think everything’s changing on the 5th! Its not..
KrustyUCC wrote: » Gardaí cannot arrest NI visitors for breaches of Covid-19 restrictions Garda Headquarters has informed senior officers all over the country that the restrictions on movement to stop the spread of the coronavirus do not apply to people on day trips from Northern Ireland and that powers of enforcement cannot be used on them.https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0425/1134822-garda-headquarters-restrictions/ Brilliant Great loop hole from Leo, Simon and Co A visitor from the North can travel to Cork and back no bother for non essential travel but I can't visit friends 3km away Bloody jokeshop
GooglePlus wrote: » Will be interesting to see what happens on May 5th. They'll probably give an inch and we'll most certainly take a mile, so they'll probably base that inch on the mile we take. We're gonna be under some form of restrictions until a vaccine, that's for sure.
drunkmonkey wrote: » What Vaccine, there is none and won’t be for years. Our only option as an island is to keep the virus out once it’s killed off. That means serious restrictions on anyone entering the country. This should have been in place since the start of lockdown sadly it’s still not. A waste of all our efforts.
timmy_mallet wrote: » You be happy with that being reciprocal? You think business travel wont resume, I'd doubt that.
timmy_mallet wrote: » Dont think so, vaccine is 2 years out. Immunity, health service capacity and acceptance of sickness and loss of life will see majority of normalcy return within 12 mi ths from now.
gozunda wrote: » On the very simple grounds that restrictions are preventing the health service from being overwhelmed by out of control rates of infection. The R0 has been reduced precisely because of these restrictions. Remove them and the number of people infected will climb once again. How difficult is that to understand? Not sure what you're on about PPE and the gardai? They have been supplied with and are using ppe since March.https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/600000-pairs-of-gloves-and-vats-of-sanitiser-on-way-to-gardai-987860.html I have seen gardai at checkpoints wearing facemasks as well. It already been stated that there will be a phased roll back of restrictions as this moves forward. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not going to help anyone.
GooglePlus wrote: » We know very little about the virus and the immunity after contracting Covid, so we can't rely on that. When I say some form of restrictions, I mean large events off until a vaccine and international travel etc. I don't think we'll be in lockdown for that amount of time. There's plenty of vaccines in trial across the globe with unprecedented funding being thrown at the race, which will bring the timeframe for mass production well forward.
BillyBiggs wrote: » I’m not for further lockdowns at all, believe me I know they will destroy the economy. I’m tired of lockdowns as much as anybody else and don’t wish to extend the date. The fact is that most government are throwing out aspiration reopening dates/ dates that the public can live with, then as the aforementioned date approaches they simply extend the lockdown. People accept such an approach easier than say setting September 30th being set as a reopening date.
GazzaL wrote: » Another nail in the coffin for the lockdown. When you see this alongside the situation at the Curragh, no reasonable person is happy that these laws are only applicable to some people and not others.
timmy_mallet wrote: » I dont understand how people can be so optimistic about vaccine, working in the industry, I dont see it at happening in any reasonable time frame. Our best hope is our own immune systems, healthier people and some sort of acceptance of sickness.
wadacrack wrote: » Relation of restrictions is not really going to help the situation at this time. For a few days it will feel great but it is the core problem will still be their and it will be much worse with the disease impacting every town/community on a much greater scale. More death and more severe illness in the population it will be truly awful and the economy and social life will be severely impacted.Its not a choice between economy and health, this situation is not so black and white. It was a month ago we wanted to stay home and save lives and now as a society it seems a large minority just cant deal with it anymore. The mental health impact is not going away. Its unavoidable in a pandemic. The lack of perspective and looking at this with a long term view is mind boggling. The disease doubles in 3 days if we go back to normal,so if restrictions are lifted slightly, we are in trouble. The South Korean model is worth following considering the path we have chosen to take with suppressing the virus , which means we need much lower daily case counts. Society needs to start accepting the new way of life for now, it may take years for normality to resume.
drunkmonkey wrote: » I haven't seen them wearing gloves and masks at checkpoints, I've seen arrests without these as well, feck all distancing between each other and there not isolated from their family when they get home. If it was active in the community they guards would be riddled and there not. Nobody's watching the watchmen.
JRant wrote: » We have to open up though. Staying locked down is not an option. Yes, case numbers will probably increase slightly once restrictions start to be removed but the initial idea was never to get the numbers down to zero, which seems to be where the conversation is turning. I've also seen a fair few checkpoints and it's been a mixture of Garda where / not wearing them.
