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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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GazzaL

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Gardaí cannot arrest NI visitors for breaches of Covid-19 restrictions

Garda Headquarters has informed senior officers all over the country that the restrictions on movement to stop the spread of the coronavirus do not apply to people on day trips from Northern Ireland and that powers of enforcement cannot be used on them.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0425/1134822-garda-headquarters-restrictions/

Brilliant

Great loop hole from Leo, Simon and Co

A visitor from the North can travel to Cork and back no bother for non essential travel but I can't visit friends 3km away

Bloody jokeshop

Another nail in the coffin for the lockdown. When you see this alongside the situation at the Curragh, no reasonable person is happy that these laws are only applicable to some people and not others.

timmy_mallet

The chan chan man wrote: »

Spot on. People seem to think everything’s changing on the 5th! Its not..

Things will change, people have accepted the current sickness and loss of life figures. Itd be a stretch to assume pubs will be open, but there will be relaxation. Curious to know what you would think is reasonable in terms of relaxation at this stage.

GooglePlus

Will be interesting to see what happens on May 5th. They'll probably give an inch and we'll most certainly take a mile, so they'll probably base that inch on the mile we take.

We're gonna be under some form of restrictions until a vaccine, that's for sure.

GazzaL

gozunda wrote: »

On the very simple grounds that restrictions are preventing the health service from being overwhelmed by out of control rates of infection.

The R0 has been reduced precisely because of these restrictions. Remove them and the number of people infected will climb once again. How difficult is that to understand?

Not sure what your on about PPE and the gardai? They have been supplied with and are using ppe since March.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/600000-pairs-of-gloves-and-vats-of-sanitiser-on-way-to-gardai-987860.html

I have seen gardai at checkpoints wearing facemasks as well.

I haven't seen any Gardai wearing facemasks.

We were told we would see a return to action if we hit the targets, which we have not only hit, but obliterated. Professor Nolan said since early April the growth rate of new cases was effectively zero.

drunkmonkey

gozunda wrote: »

On the very simple grounds that restrictions are preventing the health service from being overwhelmed by out of control rates of infection.

The R0 has been reduced precisely because of these restrictions. Remove them and the number of people infected will climb once again. How difficult is that to understand?

Not sure what your on about PPE and the gardai? They have been supplied with and are using ppe since March.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/600000-pairs-of-gloves-and-vats-of-sanitiser-on-way-to-gardai-987860.html

I have seen gardai at checkpoints wearing facemasks as well.

I haven't seen them wearing gloves and masks at checkpoints, I've seen arrests without these as well, feck all distancing between each other and there not isolated from their family when they get home. If it was active in the community they guards would be riddled and there not. Nobody's watching the watchmen.

SNNUS

Ahwell wrote: »

Where are you getting this little community transmission notion from?

Here is my notion, from the bosses mouth.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-community-spread-mostly-under-control-but-evidence-of-people-moving-about-1.4236429

gozunda

drunkmonkey wrote: »

On what grounds is there a justification for continued lockdown, everyone was asked to play their part most did, the virus doesn’t seem to active in the community now so will be even less so in 10 days. Distancing is the key a ban on people’s movements isn’t necessary. A ban on certain people like health workers and Garda movements is required next as they haven’t being following the restrictions so they are now a threat due to their activity. Unless the guards are immune to Coronavirus, they have no PPE, 3 or 4 in the same car then going home to different house after each shift, the guards could end up being a super spreader like the health care system.

On the very simple grounds that restrictions are preventing the health service from being overwhelmed by out of control rates of infection.

The R0 has been reduced precisely because of these restrictions. Remove them and the number of people infected will climb once again. How difficult is that to understand?

Not sure what you're on about PPE and the gardai? They have been supplied with and are using ppe since March.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/600000-pairs-of-gloves-and-vats-of-sanitiser-on-way-to-gardai-987860.html

I have seen gardai at checkpoints wearing facemasks as well.

It already been stated that there will be a phased roll back of restrictions as this moves forward. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not going to help anyone.

SNNUS

SusieBlue wrote: »

It’s not going to be safe to go about normal life until we find a cure or a vaccine. That could be months if not years away.
Do you propose we stay locked up indefinitely until we find either, even if it means locking things down till 2021 and beyond?

If not, then what’s the difference between slowly reopening some services on the 5th versus in say, September? Bearing in mind the fact that we’ve flattened the curve and our hospitals are now well prepared, and the public is now educated in social distancing/cough etiquette etc.

I genuinely still have yet to see one single argument as to why waiting another few weeks/months will have any benefit whatsoever. All it will do is lower morale even further and completely annihilate what little is left of the economy.
At this rate continuing the lockdown will do more damage to us, both health wise and financially, than easing up restrictions will.

It's easier to just shout Shutdown FFS!, Of course no other talk of how to continue life with this virus, but sure they will be payed €350 a week to wait 2-3 years for a vaccine ......

The chan chan man

BillyBiggs wrote: »

The only big change on May 5th will be a lockdown extension. Ask yourself what’s really going to change in the next two weeks (or less) and what will make the government think it’s safe to lift restrictions?

Spot on. People seem to think everything’s changing on the 5th! Its not..

SusieBlue

BillyBiggs wrote: »

The only big change on May 5th will be a lockdown extension. Ask yourself what’s really going to change in the next two weeks (or less) and what will make the government think it’s safe to lift restrictions?

It’s not going to be safe to go about normal life until we find a cure or a vaccine. That could be months if not years away.
Do you propose we stay locked up indefinitely until we find either, even if it means locking things down till 2021 and beyond?

If not, then what’s the difference between slowly reopening some services on the 5th versus in say, September? Bearing in mind the fact that we’ve flattened the curve and our hospitals are now well prepared, and the public is now educated in social distancing/cough etiquette etc.

I genuinely still have yet to see one single argument as to why waiting another few weeks/months will have any benefit whatsoever. All it will do is lower morale even further and completely annihilate what little is left of the economy.
At this rate continuing the lockdown will do more damage to us, both health wise and financially, than easing up restrictions will.

drunkmonkey

BillyBiggs wrote: »

The only big change on May 5th will be a lockdown extension. Ask yourself what’s really going to change in the next two weeks (or less) and what will make the government think it’s safe to lift restrictions?

On what grounds is there a justification for continued lockdown, everyone was asked to play their part most did, the virus doesn’t seem to active in the community now so will be even less so in 10 days. Distancing is the key a ban on people’s movements isn’t necessary. A ban on certain people like health workers and Garda movements is required next as they haven’t being following the restrictions so they are now a threat due to their activity. Unless the guards are immune to Coronavirus, they have no PPE, 3 or 4 in the same car then going home to different house after each shift, the guards could end up being a super spreader like the health care system.

BillyBiggs

Gael23 wrote: »

They said yesterday there won’t be a Big Bang of changes on May 5th. I would be ok with that as long as there are some changes like lifting the 2km rule and an outline set out on life getting back to normal

The only big change on May 5th will be a lockdown extension. Ask yourself what’s really going to change in the next two weeks (or less) and what will make the government think it’s safe to lift restrictions?

Gael23

They said yesterday there won’t be a Big Bang of changes on May 5th. I would be ok with that as long as there are some changes like lifting the 2km rule and an outline set out on life getting back to normal

Bobtheman

GoneHome wrote: »

Even if it goes down to the €203 per week each we'd still survive, we live a rural area 45 minutes - 1 hour from Limerick city where we both work, small mortgarge for a lovely house and an acre of garden. There's a lot to be said for living in the sticks, we were just talking about it today and we were saying jesus imagine being above in Dublin stuck in a small 1 bedroom apartment, no thanks.

It's still fxxxx limerick you like iive in. Don't get any ideas.Linerick is a **** hole!

trapp

GoneHome wrote: »

This puts it totally in persective, jesus people it's not that difficult, myself and OH have been off work with a month now and we're really relishing it, we've got all those long finger jobs done around the house and garden, reading all the books we never had time for before, watching great tv series, listening to music, going for long walks, cooking and baking nice food and all the while getting €350 each from the government with nothing to spend it on only €100 once a week in Dunnes on food, relax people and stay at home.

What a self centred and selfish way of thinking

What is not difficult for you might be very hard for others.

Some empathy and awareness would go far my poor friend.

trapp

GoneHome wrote: »

But really it doesn't, jesus if you or a member of your family were in ICU in hospital dying from Covid-19 then you would realise that work/the economy etc means f-all, perspective needed here brother

Dear oh dear oh dear my poor man speak for yourself.

You do know every single person will die sometime.

When family members of mine died I counted my blessings I had a job to go to and take my mind away from the reality.

There was a 57% increase in male suicide during the last economic crisis.

Unemployment kills indirectly and it strips people of their hopes, dreams and dignity.

We can't ignore Covid but we need to find a balance to avoid another disaster of a different kind.

Wake up my poor man.

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SNNUS wrote: »

I have no problem complying with the restrictions until 5th May, plan was to lockdown to get R0 below 1 it's now 0.5 or so and little community transmission.

Where are you getting this little community transmission notion from?

of those for whom transmission status is known: community transmission accounts for 48%, close contact accounts for 48%, travel abroad accounts for 4%

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/6e638a-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-saturday-25/

GoneHome

[,QUOTE=timmy_mallet;113273465]Itll be the person stuck in the 1 bed in Dublin filling the exchequers pockets to pay for your mortgage, just remember that when raking your weeds.[/QUOTE]

I don't really understand the anomosity here, we both work in fairly modistley paid jobs, we live in a house in a very rural area which if you wanted to buy it now would cost you about €150,000 just because of the rural location, if we were in Dublin we wouldn't get a garden shed for that, so ya we're happy here in the sticks and long may the €350 a week last

da_miser

i work in a job that has been deemed "essential", believe me i am being martyred agains my will, i would gladly take 350 a week to stay at home.
I see the videos of Indian Police with bamboo sticks hitting the legs of Covidiots and think Garda should be given chimney sweeping rods with a nice brass fitting on the end to beat the shît out of Irish Covidiots.
The 10% of the population that are morons need to be beaten to comply with the guidance that will save lives, thats a reality, but the bleeding hearts wont have it

timmy_mallet

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I'm glad you can last in that situation but many people simply can't. Also thousands of people losing their jobs is depressing to both the economy and people themselves. It's a kick to people's self esteem and especially so if you're in the hospitality, restaurant or pub sector where it looks as if you'll be shuttered for the rest of the year.

I mean, who do they think the government will get the money from to give them to pay their mortgage? And read all those wonnnndeful books they just haven't got around to. I was just saying to my OH today, aren't we lucky were not stuck with an OH like that!

LiquidZeb

road_high wrote: »

So it seems. The money markets will of course keep doing this because we are special and must wait to see if other less important countries die off first. If not we may or may not decide to get back to work. But better wait another few months. Just in case

It's only a matter of time before someone plays the 'sure we're the Irish everyone loves us' card.

GoneHome

JoeA3 wrote: »

When the €350 a week of free money dries up, these neanderthals will be in a real pickle.

I don't really know why you're putting everyone in the same boat there but just for some perspective, myself and my OH have been getting the €350 each for the past few weeks, yes it's a lot less than what we'd be usually earning a work but we're at home and staying safe and thank god we're not in dire need of money, so please don't paint everyone with same entitlement brush

LiquidZeb

GoneHome wrote: »

Even if it goes down to the €203 per week each we'd still survive, we live a rural area 45 minutes - 1 hour from Limerick city where we both work, small mortgarge for a lovely house and an acre of garden. There's a lot to be said for living in the sticks, we were just talking about it today and we were saying jesus imagine being above in Dublin stuck in a small 1 bedroom apartment, no thanks.

I'm glad you can last in that situation but many people simply can't. Also thousands of people losing their jobs is depressing to both the economy and people themselves. It's a kick to people's self esteem and especially so if you're in the hospitality, restaurant or pub sector where it looks as if you'll be shuttered for the rest of the year.

timmy_mallet

GoneHome wrote: »

Even if it goes down to the €203 per week each we'd still survive, we live a rural area 45 minutes - 1 hour from Limerick city where we both work, small mortgarge for a lovely house and an acre of garden. There's a lot to be said for living in the sticks, we were just talking about it today and we were saying jesus imagine being above in Dublin stuck in a small 1 bedroom apartment, no thanks.

Itll be the person stuck in the 1 bed in Dublin filling the exchequers pockets to pay for your mortgage, just remember that when raking your weeds.

road_high

JoeA3 wrote: »

When the €350 a week of free money dries up, these neanderthals will be in a real pickle.

I cannot believe 500k people "like" Liberal.ie. I never heard of it until 5 minutes ago. There's a whole world of space cadets out there... the few on here are only a tiny proportion of them it seems.

Jesus you can sing that. They make the space cadets here look like Stephen hawking

road_high

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Well apparently we can borrow as much money as we like and never have to repay it so I guess there is your answer.

So it seems. The money markets will of course keep doing this because we are special and must wait to see if other less important countries die off first. If not we may or may not decide to get back to work. But better wait another few months. Just in case

JoeA3

road_high wrote: »

I was expecting the brain-dead comments given the publication. Think they’re an extension of Journal.ie.
Many readers even enjoying the lockdown- heaven i suppose if your idea of “living” is eating junk all day watch Netflix and sky evidently

When the €350 a week of free money dries up, these neanderthals will be in a real pickle.

I cannot believe 500k people "like" Liberal.ie. I never heard of it until 5 minutes ago. There's a whole world of space cadets out there... the few on here are only a tiny proportion of them it seems.

GoneHome

LiquidZeb wrote: »

And what happens when that €350 inevitably gets cut? A lot of people relishing this are in for a very rude awakening when that happens.

Even if it goes down to the €203 per week each we'd still survive, we live a rural area 45 minutes - 1 hour from Limerick city where we both work, small mortgarge for a lovely house and an acre of garden. There's a lot to be said for living in the sticks, we were just talking about it today and we were saying jesus imagine being above in Dublin stuck in a small 1 bedroom apartment, no thanks.

LiquidZeb

road_high wrote: »

How long do you think the €350 per week is going to last?

Well apparently we can borrow as much money as we like and never have to repay it so I guess there is your answer.

road_high

Smegging hell wrote: »

Says the fellow who has spent the entire day posting on boards.ie?

It’s Saturday hun- chillax. Nice to be noticed and followed though - thanks !