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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #4832
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    They are still pretty common in the states as far as I'm aware, but open to correction.

    I looked into it a bit there. You're actually right which is surprising.

    That said though most of those cases were infections that were unlikely to be fatal. There were also treatments available. So there's still a world of difference between that and infecting someone with a dangerous virus that could potentially kill them.


  • #4833
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Downlinz wrote: »
    I really can't imagine any 73 year old using a term as juvenile as "lamestream media" let alone an actual president.

    Same as for "Fake News" when obviously not the case, but plenty of examples of him saying it.


  • #4834
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    So far in this crisis the WHO have stated with great authority at various stages that there is:

    1. No evidence covid 19 is transmitted person to person.
    2. No evidence banning travel to and from hotspots slows down the spread.

    Both if these assertions were proven to be categorically and without question wrong. Just ask Taiwan and NZ about point 2.

    So you will excuse me if I take anything they say about covid 19 with a pinch of salt going forward when they got basic facts wrong in the past.


  • #4835
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    is_that_so wrote: »
    A long-timer in the HSE I talked to is quite pleased with how it's gone and that people have really stepped up at all levels, but acknowledged that it has not been absolutely universal. What I've learned is that there are some seriously good people at the top end of it and they responded to the call here very well. How that might translate into the changes and improvements required is uncertain but perhaps the solidarity that could come out of this can help drive that a whole lot better.

    You don't say!

    I don't wish to be rude, but that kinda sums up the HSE. There has been gross mismanagement and money poured down the drain by the HSE during this pandemic. But we'll have to wait until it's all over to before it's laid bare.


  • #4836
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1253995619921821698?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1253995619921821698&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fg80ql2%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3Dfalse

    Why are WHO saying this? Its almost verging on scare mongering

    How is it so hard to prove somebody can or cannot become infected again? LIke surely in NEw York and places with millions of cases thered be an example or two where somebody became infected again, and given that hasnt appeared to occur would we not take it that there is immunity? Would there not be some people whod be happy to volunteer to become reinfected in order to prove immunity can occur?

    And does the plasma injection from recovered patients which helps the recovery of currently infected patients not also prove that there is immunity?

    Scaremongering? Should they watch what they say in case someone gets scared?

    Are we babies? I would rather they say what they think Thanks.


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  • #4837
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    polesheep wrote: »
    You don't say!

    I don't wish to be rude, but that kinda sums up the HSE. There has been gross mismanagement and money poured down the drain by the HSE during this pandemic. But we'll have to wait until it's all over to before it's laid bare.

    In what sense, specifically, have the HSE poured money down the drain during this pandemic?


  • #4838
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,593 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    tobefrank321 wrote:
    So you will excuse me if I take anything they say about covid 19 with a pinch of salt going forward when they got basic facts wrong in the past.
    I've been one of their biggest critics from early on in this.
    Thing is they seemed to have learned from mistakes and are now listening to what's coming from countries. This was first reported by South Korean experts over a week ago and reports have come from experts in other countries since then.
    It's not something they've decided on their own.


  • #4839
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    They are still pretty common in the states as far as I'm aware, but open to correction.

    It's common practice to receive some level of 'compensation'. Some only cover expenses (travel etc or 'reimbursement'), others offer fully fledged financial incentives.


  • #4840
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Latest from the UK where after nearly 5,000 new cases and 813 deaths added to total today

    Johnson faces lockdown dilemma as scientists warn over grim virus data
    The number of new cases of Covid-19 being diagnosed is still much too high to allow any easing of the lockdown soon, leading scientists have warned, as the virus death toll in UK hospitals passed 20,000 on Saturday.

    The home secretary, Priti Patel, described the figure as a “terrible milestone” and a “deeply tragic and moving moment”. She said it showed the need for the British public to “stay strong” and remain at home for the foreseeable future.

    A further 813 deaths were reported in hospitals, taking the UK total to 20,319. This figure does not include deaths from Covid-19 in care homes, hospices and in the community.

    As ministers came under increasing pressure to ease the lockdown from the business community and Tory MPs concerned at the plight of small firms in their own constituencies, scientists said the drop in new coronavirus cases being reported daily was disappointingly slow.

    They are not even close to where they need to be to be able ease restrictions.


  • #4841
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Nolan Shrilling Bobsled wrote: »
    Thanks for the kind words re: my family. Thankfully, I have a super house-mate. He is a great support!

    I do see the predicament from the different angles. The café where my house-mate works is shut at the moment. He is worried about his future. My partner's sister is going through chemo abroad. He cannot visit her. For my own sense of equanimity, I need to believe that some form of normality will return soon. But I am glad up to this point that the restrictions were in place.

    I guess that my expectations for the response was very low. I was expecting chaos. I was expecting a scene from Outbreak. What I was not expecting was a very synchronised and coordinated response. The HSE is listening to us. I did not expect that we would be well looked after. For example, after dealing with a Covid-patient, we get to take a shower. There is a nice mini bottle of shampoo and a hospital towel waiting for us. Furthermore, I did not expect such kindness from the public (a family-friend whose child is extremely ill wrote me a beautiful card). This awful crisis has definitely improved my perception of the government and HSE. I know that my medical colleagues say similar things in work.

    I am no cheerleader, I have my own gripes. But I cannot criticise the HSE's response in this case

    Right. I know when I'm being had. The amount of Walter Mittys on this site is unreal.


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  • #4842
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Miike wrote: »
    In what sense, specifically, have the HSE poured money down the drain during this pandemic?

    Facilities leased and either not used or grossly underused, private hospitals leased and either not used or under used, public hospital facilities closed and replacement facilities purchased from private, plus lots more. There is a very long list that will all come out when this is over. It was the equivalent of giving a gambling addict your credit card.


  • #4843
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    polesheep wrote: »
    Right. I know when I'm being had. The amount of Walter Mittys on this site is unreal.

    Why do you state that? You reckon the poster is lying? What would be the point of that?


  • #4844
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Why do you state that? You reckon the poster is lying? What would be the point of that?

    Do you honestly believe that doctors and nurses have a shower after every contact with a Covid-19 patient?


  • #4845
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    polesheep wrote: »
    Facilities leased and either not used or grossly underused, private hospitals leased and either not used or under used, public hospital facilities closed and replacement facilities purchased from private, plus lots more. There is a very long list that will all come out when this is over. It was the equivalent of giving a gambling addict your credit card.

    So what you're saying is, they mismanaged money for planning ahead and being prepared. You're right... it's so much easier to do all of that stuff when the health service is in the midst of a collapse. This isn't over yet. I hope we won't see the smirk on the other side of your face on the opposite end of this.


  • #4846
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ineedaname wrote: »
    I looked into it a bit there. You're actually right which is surprising.

    That said though most of those cases were infections that were unlikely to be fatal. There were also treatments available. So there's still a world of difference between that and infecting someone with a dangerous virus that could potentially kill them.

    True, but some are for new drugs and it's usually people who really need the money who do them.

    If the money is attractive enough and half your media and government are saying (sometimes) that the virus is no big deal or offering up their city as a control group, some people might think that they have nothing to lose and try and cash in.


  • #4847
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    polesheep wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe that doctors and nurses have a shower after every contact with a Covid-19 patient?

    I don`t know through personal experience what measures are in place at present but I have no reason to disbelieve what a doctor states is happening. Do you and if so why?


  • #4848
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Miike wrote: »
    So what you're saying is, they mismanaged money for planning ahead and being prepared. You're right... it's so much easier to do all of that stuff when the health service is in the midst of a collapse. This isn't over yet. I hope we won't see the smirk on the other side of your face on the opposite end of this.

    Doctors and nurses twiddling their thumbs in half empty hospitals while patients have their appointments postponed indefinitely, is not my idea of good management.


  • #4849
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    So far in this crisis the WHO have stated with great authority at various stages that there is:

    1. No evidence covid 19 is transmitted person to person.
    2. No evidence banning travel to and from hotspots slows down the spread.

    Both if these assertions were proven to be categorically and without question wrong. Just ask Taiwan and NZ about point 2.

    So you will excuse me if I take anything they say about covid 19 with a pinch of salt going forward when they got basic facts wrong in the past.

    Why would you expect them to say there was evidence if there wasn't any? How could they have been "basic facts" when they weren't yet proven? At that point, research would have barely begun. In fact, even now is very much still the infancy of our knowledge on this virus.


  • #4850
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    I don`t know through personal experience what measures are in place at present but I have no reason to disbelieve what a doctor states is happening. Do you and if so why?

    Yes, I do. Doctors and nurses working with Covid-19 patients are advised to shower after their shift, not after dealing with individual patients. Think about it for a moment. Do you actually imagine that a nurse working on a Covid-19 ward goes in and out to the shower all day?


  • #4851
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,270 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Ineedaname wrote: »
    I looked into it a bit there. You're actually right which is surprising.

    That said though most of those cases were infections that were unlikely to be fatal. There were also treatments available. So there's still a world of difference between that and infecting someone with a dangerous virus that could potentially kill them.

    People are also "used" for drug trials.


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  • #4852
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    polesheep wrote: »
    Doctors and nurses twiddling their thumbs in half empty hospitals while patients have their appointments postponed indefinitely, is not my idea of good management.

    For someone so "informed" you come across desperately clueless.


  • #4853
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I've been one of their biggest critics from early on in this.
    Thing is they seemed to have learned from mistakes and are now listening to what's coming from countries. This was first reported by South Korean experts over a week ago and reports have come from experts in other countries since then.
    It's not something they've decided on their own.

    Here is an article on it.

    https://amp.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3080251/poor-immunity-or-mutations-south-korea-investigates

    The report authors state clearly they have no idea if its reinfection or the virus reigniting in patients. They also state there is a low risk of them re infecting others. While other scientists have cast doubt on re infection of covid 19 recovered patients.

    The WHO ignored all these caveats and decided that the patients could have been reinfected. And this is the headline that goes around the world. This puts a cloud over every single recovered person.


  • #4854
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    polesheep wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe that doctors and nurses have a shower after every contact with a Covid-19 patient?

    Together?


  • #4855
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,593 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    tobefrank321 wrote:
    The WHO ignored all these caveats and decided that the patients could have been reinfected. And this is the headline that goes around the world. This puts a cloud over every single recovered person.

    You do realise you just quoted and linked to people saying they don't know and then surmising?
    The WHO is staying that at this time it's not safe to say that you cannot get reinfected.
    They are not saying that you can get reinfected just that given reports it'd be unsafe to believe that you cannot


  • #4856
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Miike wrote: »
    For someone so "informed" you come across desperately clueless.

    What on earth does that post even mean?


  • #4857
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,814 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    redarmy wrote: »
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    1m
    What is the purpose of having White House News Conferences when the Lamestream Media asks nothing but hostile questions, & then refuses to report the truth or facts accurately. They get record ratings, & the American people get nothing but Fake News. Not worth the time & effort!

    What a ****ing child.

    He needs help.


  • #4858
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Do you think a vaccine will be different?

    If the R0 jumps when we lift restrictions, we could in reality be faced with a near permanent lockdown until a vaccine, a vaccine that in reality might only protect 70%, in line with the current commonly used flu vaccine.

    If someone can guarantee a 100% working vaccine within the next 12 months then lets wait for it.

    Fact is no-one can guarantee that, not even the experts working on vaccines for decades. And that is a huge problem.

    Nobody can guarantee that. Drugs and vaccines can and often do fail at the trial stage.


  • #4859
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,270 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    fullstop wrote: »
    What a ****ing child.

    He needs help.

    He needed a dose of an Irish mammy's wooden spoon 65 odd years ago!!


  • #4860
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    polesheep wrote: »
    What on earth does that post even mean?

    Your posts are laden with the inaccuracies of someone who's never spent 60 seconds in a ward but are bona fide experts on running not just the wards, but the entire health service from the top down.

    You're under the illusion that nurses and doctors working in departments with cancelled procedures are sitting around twiddling their thumbs? Literally, every single one of those people are redeployed as part of the preparedness strategy and BCP.

    I don't expect the general public to be privy to that, it's quite an internal affair but at least make an attempt to inform your drivel before you present it as fact.


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  • #4861
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Here is an article on it.

    https://amp.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3080251/poor-immunity-or-mutations-south-korea-investigates

    The report authors state clearly they have no idea if its reinfection or the virus reigniting in patients. They also state there is a low risk of them re infecting others. While other scientists have cast doubt on re infection of covid 19 recovered patients.

    The WHO ignored all these caveats and decided that the patients could have been reinfected. And this is the headline that goes around the world. This puts a cloud over every single recovered person.

    How is saying it could have been reinfection ignoring all the caveats? They are not saying they know for sure, they are saying it's a possibility. The WHO can't control what the media will write.


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