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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #4562
    ihdxwz4a3pem9j
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭ihdxwz4a3pem9j


    MipMap wrote: »
    I get the feeling that most people in this country do not understand the difference between a health service that can cope and one that is overwhelmed.


    As I understand it 20% get Hospitalized and 6% get serious and 1% die.


    My guess would be that with an overwhelmed health service most of those 20% would get serious and god knows (maybe 25%) would die.


    In other words I would be interested in your views on this as a MAN who knows. (even though you are a woman)

    I don’t think that I can answer your question. It is perfectly valid. But I don’t have the correct data. I just know from observation that there is room in the inn for those that need it. An overwhelmed health service by my definition is one that has to turn away people (resulting in their deaths) that should get better due to lack of resources. Regarding the how many, I don’t know


  • #4563
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭crossman47


    MipMap wrote: »
    I get the feeling that most people in this country do not understand the difference between a health service that can cope and one that is overwhelmed.


    As I understand it 20% get Hospitalized and 6% get serious and 1% die.


    My guess would be that with an overwhelmed health service most of those 20% would get serious and god knows (maybe 25%) would die.


    In other words I would be interested in your views on this as a MAN who knows. (even though you are a woman)

    My guess is that an overwhelmed health service will come from 20% of a much larger number of cases.


  • #4564
    ihdxwz4a3pem9j
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭ihdxwz4a3pem9j


    polesheep wrote: »
    Are you a medical doctor or HSE PR?

    A non-consultant hospital doctor with absolutely no affiliation to the HSE. I am simply writing what I see on the ground

    I am simply using Boards at the minute, because I cannot travel home to see my loved-one, and there is little to do at weekends


  • #4565
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    polesheep wrote: »
    Are you a medical doctor or HSE PR?

    Disqualify the assertions of the post, not the person. Pathetic effort.
    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    I know restrictions won’t be lifted all at once. But at some point we are going to have to use more of the capacity of our hospitals and have less restrictions to allow people to make money and keep themselves going. There will be a mix of the two. Some restrictions might be lifted for a while and then brought back in a few months and lifted again to control the numbers in the hospitals to stop them getting overwhelmed.

    It will go on for a long time (longer than I think most people expect) and we are going to have to get used to that.

    Realistically, no one knows how long this will go on for. DARPA could announce tomorrow they've got an 80% coverage solution or any one else developing vaccines for that matter. People grossly underestimate the amount of research being done on this or just write it off as piss and wind.


  • #4566
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    crossman47 wrote: »
    My guess is that an overwhelmed health service will come from 20% of a much larger number of cases.
    Yes but my point was that an overwhelmed health system (like Italy) would result in deaths going up by many multiples. Not by mere percentages.


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  • #4567
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    A vaccine may never happen. It has proved impossible to provide a vaccine for the common cold which is a corona virus.

    The current push in research is to find anything that lessons the impact of this virus.

    The common cold is not a specific pathogen, it's an illness. Coronavirus' (a family of viruses) are responsible for ~30% 'common colds'.


  • #4568
    ihdxwz4a3pem9j
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭ihdxwz4a3pem9j


    Miike wrote: »
    The common cold is not a specific pathogen, it's an illness. Coronavirus' (a family of viruses) are responsible for ~30% '


    When there is sufficient incentive and brilliant minds working on a problem, great things can be achieved. I hope that there will be a vaccine against Covid. I am following the human trials eagerly


  • #4569
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    A vaccine may never happen. It has proved impossible to provide a vaccine for the common cold which is a corona virus.

    The current push in research is to find anything that lessons the impact of this virus.

    There are pointers that this virus can be really nasty and can cause strange blood disorders, strange impacts on the lungs, can impact many organs in the body.

    It is universally accepted that injecting household cleaners will not help in anyway and is quite likely fatal with one person being the exception. Do not try this at home!

    There are pointers that, surprisingly, smokers are not as badly affected as non-smokers, so perhaps nicotine might help. That vitamin D levels suggest the low Vit D is a bad predictor, so perhaps Vit D might help. Some pointers that anti-inflammatory drugs help. So some positives before that elusive vaccine is found.

    The current regime of lock-down is to allow the health service cope which is definitely working, with the exception of residential homes. If the creches had not been closed, that could have been another disaster.

    I think we can see at least another month with some slight let up after 5th May.

    They have been trying to create a vaccine for the common cold since the 50s. The reason why it is so difficult is that the common cold isn’t just one virus but a mixture and melting pot of viruses. A simple vaccine just wouldn’t work. Covid19 is a single virus that is relatively stable at the moment. It will be difficult to create one and could take a number of years but to compare the common cold vaccine with Covid 19 vaccine is not appropriate.


  • #4570
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    Anyone thinking people are ignoring the restrictions now because tony holohan came out a week ago saying the curve has been flattened?
    And we wont be getting a peak.

    This country is full of dims and i really put it down to that statement going so good before that was said.


  • #4571
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    trapp wrote: »
    This sounds wonderful in theory and we could all buy into it.

    But you are living in a fairytale my poor old friend.

    This virus isn't going away.

    A vaccine could be years away.

    We need to learn to live with the virus not just wait for some fairytale ending that is never going to happen.

    Sorry for bursting your bubble but wake up my poor man.

    Probably the most embarrassing post iv'e read on here since this started, my poor man.


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  • #4572
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,231 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Russia reports 5,966 new cases and 66 new deaths (this is actually the highest so far).



    Is it true that Putin can kill the coronavirus with his bare hands?


  • #4573
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Re Singapore and their surge of new cases after restrictions were eased, we don’t have the type of environment here that would allow that to happen. Migrants sleeping 20 to a room in dormitories in large complexes, the largest dormitory complex houses up to 24,000 workers in unsanitary conditions.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/23/singapore-million-migrant-workers-suffer-as-covid-19-surges-back


  • #4574
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Russia reports 5,966 new cases and 66 new deaths (this is actually the highest so far).



    Is it true that Putin can kill the coronavirus with his bare hands?

    Theyve been fairly blowing up in terms of numbers day on day increases for the past few weeks just passing countrys out each day on the charts, its like a football league were a team has games in hand then just fly up the league


  • #4575
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Miike wrote: »
    The common cold is not a specific pathogen, it's an illness. Coronavirus' (a family of viruses) are responsible for ~30% 'common colds'.

    What are the stats for people falling seriously ill or dying as a result of catching the common cold? If they exist at all they would be miniscule I would think.


  • #4576
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Nolan Shrilling Bobsled wrote: »
    Where I work, none of the cancer surgeries are postponed. All the operations that need to happen are still happening.

    Why is the young relevant? Should we not be trying to think of a collective society, rather than a single demographic within society.

    Saving does not always entail intubation and ventilation. Saving can entail the reduction in the spread of the virus

    Because the elderly are at greater risk of becoming ill if they get the virus.


  • #4577
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Re Singapore and their surge of new cases after restrictions were eased, we don’t have the type of environment here that would allow that to happen. Migrants sleeping 20 to a room in dormitories in large complexes, the largest dormitory complex houses up to 24,000 workers in unsanitary conditions.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/23/singapore-million-migrant-workers-suffer-as-covid-19-surges-back

    Nah just a few thousand roma and bulgarians over picking fruit and sharing an apartment between 20+

    Edit: Roma isnt picking fruit they rather pockets.


  • #4578
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    What are the stats for people falling seriously ill or dying as a result of catching the common cold? If they exist at all they would be miniscule I would think.

    You seem to be under the illusion I was adding to that persons argument. My post is highlighting the fact that the post quoted within mine is wrong on many, many levels.


  • #4579
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Cameroon is the first Sub Saharan african country to report over 50 deaths


  • #4580
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Probably the most embarrassing post iv'e read on here since this started, my poor man.

    Hes got a fair point, my poor man


  • #4581
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭political analyst


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    The fact that Saudi Arabia is reporting over 1000 cases for the last few days, i think that is the final nail in the coffin for "heat stops the virus" Its 38 degrees there at the moment. Will be interesting to see how it develops.

    Brazil, while cooler, is still 27 degrees or so but it does have high humidity and is also reporting plenty of cases so humidity not doing anything else (same with singapore). While this post may seem stupid, there are people that were listening to Trump saying Humidity kills the virus and stuff so it just needs to be confirmed for them :)... just incase..

    Perhaps it's mostly among migrant workers because they live close together in dormitories on the Arabian Peninsula - they're treated like crap in that part of the world.


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  • #4582
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    14 is lower than 15 I believe :pac:

    There was 15 on the 17th.

    100% accurate and on the cases too.

    Yeah it was the wording of your post that I was pulling you up on. And the 17th isn't a week and a half.


  • #4583
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Sorry lads your little lockdown adventure is coming to an end. People are voting with thier feet and willing to take the minimal risk that's involved in returning to normality.

    What will you all do when this is over and you can't obsess over the stats and call the guards on your neighbours?


  • #4584
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Russia reports 5,966 new cases and 66 new deaths (this is actually the highest so far).



    Is it true that Putin can kill the coronavirus with his bare hands?

    I don`t know about Putin but I have it on good authority that Kim Jong-Ung has been doing this for months in North Korea.


  • #4585
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    doylefe wrote: »
    Sorry lads your little lockdown adventure is coming to an end. People are voting with thier feet and willing to take the minimal risk that's involved in returning to normality.

    What will you all do when this is over and you can't obsess over the stats and call the guards on your neighbours?

    No doubt youre a money grabbing bogger ;)


  • #4586
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    doylefe wrote: »
    Sorry lads your little lockdown adventure is coming to an end. People are voting with thier feet and willing to take the minimal risk that's involved in returning to normality.

    What will you all do when this is over and you can't obsess over the stats and call the guards on your neighbours?

    That will increase the lockdown duration. The weather is going to change and the rain is back next week. Everyone will be inside.


  • #4587
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Russia reports 5,966 new cases and 66 new deaths (this is actually the highest so far).



    Is it true that Putin can kill the coronavirus with his bare hands?

    No that's Chuck Norris.


  • #4588
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    That will increase the lockdown duration. The weather is going to change and the rain is back next week. Everyone will be inside.

    Ironic one of our better Springs is being ruined by the virus...


  • #4589
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭crossman47


    doylefe wrote: »
    Sorry lads your little lockdown adventure is coming to an end. People are voting with thier feet and willing to take the minimal risk that's involved in returning to normality.

    What will you all do when this is over and you can't obsess over the stats and call the guards on your neighbours?

    Its not minimal so I'll be staying safe in my home.


  • #4590
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1254066331927883776?s=20


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  • #4591
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Anyone thinking people are ignoring the restrictions now because tony holohan came out a week ago saying the curve has been flattened?
    And we wont be getting a peak.

    This country is full of dims and i really put it down to that statement going so good before that was said.

    This was reported on Galway bay FM, one of the days

    https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/no-new-cases-of-covid-19-in-galway-in-todays-report/?fbclid=IwAR0uEpKAXXIq1MPDxe2CPVP28fwLfQQ0HHVkFoP6ac3UNRRb3VfB0YdwDOo

    Ah sure, Galway is safe...

    While salthill prom is packed with people today.


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