Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

kwestfan08 · 25-04-2020 02:56PM

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1254041365014614017?s=19

But it's going to come back anyway regardless. There is no getting rid of the virus until a vaccine arrives. Hospital and ICU capacity seems to be able to handle the cases that are presenting to it.

Wouldn't it make sense to roll back restrictions a little of May 5th, give people a reward for their efforts. And then when cases do creep up again impose them back. This is only lockdown 1.0 we are in there will be need for maybe 4 or 5 before we are finshed

podgeandrodge · 25-04-2020 02:57PM

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1254041365014614017?s=19

Isn't it pretty much accepted that this will happen though? And that hopefully the health system will be able to cope as they slowly do this. The virus isn't going away for a long time yet and we can't remain in lockdown until a treatment or vaccine is available..

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 25-04-2020 02:58PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I’m sorry but I don’t think the type of headlines from Tony, Leo, etc., regarding the ‘bold public’ are helpful at all. They’re actually really annoying me every time I hear them & I would have considered myself a supporter of the current government and their team during this crisis.
There is no one sick at all in my locality, the hospitals are not busy, neither are the doctors. I don’t believe we should be locked down to this extent given the current set up.
It makes no sense to destroy our lives & economy.
The infections are spreading in care and nursing homes - a specific set of measures for these people & other people deemed vulnerable to the virus needs to be drawn up.
Dare I wonder are the HSE & government using headlines like non compliance to scaremonger and cover their incompetent approach to the nursing home sector?
Look at our European counterparts, they’ve all loosened their restrictions. Even the U.K. have and they were much worse than us. Why have we not followed suit?

Unfortunately, there was a surge in cases when Singapore lifted the restrictions. One of Ireland’s saving graces was foresight. We learned heavily from the mistakes of Italy and Spain. And we will be lucky enough to have the vantage point of learning from the mistakes of the other countries when we do lift our restrictions. It will not be a case of “lockdown is over, lads”. Otherwise, we will have wasted all the efforts that we made since the social restrictions. We have to ensure that a careful plan is in place, including testing and treating. I am sure that the government and HSE are currently working on this strategy. We do not want to be victims of hubris.

I have not seen my family, friends or partner for 8 weeks. I am afraid that working as a hospital doctor means that I can potentially bring them home Covid. My mother has emphysema. I am so grateful that Ireland has come together so well to protect my mom. Yes, I feel very home-sick and lonely at the moment. But the price of my mom’s life, and all the other moms and dads, and grandparents, and “at risk” people is just too high to pay.

Ireland has proven itself a stable democracy throughout this crisis. This will serve as incentive for future investors. Our economic tide will turn. And we will once again will rise out of the ashes (we did it after 2008, remember the scaremongering then). And my homesickness will pass. And I will feel proud of Ireland when I am sharing a nice cuppa with Mom

Sam Russell · 25-04-2020 02:59PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

The fact that Saudi Arabia is reporting over 1000 cases for the last few days, i think that is the final nail in the coffin for "heat stops the virus" Its 38 degrees there at the moment. Will be interesting to see how it develops.

Brazil, while cooler, is still 27 degrees or so but it does have high humidity and is also reporting plenty of cases so humidity not doing anything else (same with singapore). While this post may seem stupid, there are people that were listening to Trump saying Humidity kills the virus and stuff so it just needs to be confirmed for them ... just incase..

Well, of course, most people in Saudi Arabia have air conditioning and live under cover out of sunlight for most of the time. Their dress code suggests little bare skin sees the sun.

So no. No proof that heat does or does not affect the virus for those in Saudi Arabia.

trapp · 25-04-2020 03:00PM

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1254041365014614017?s=19

Dear oh dear oh dear.

Poor Fergal Bowers and the poor consulatant.

They are meant to be working on this ffs.

Even the dogs on the street know the virus will 'come back'

How did we end up with poor fergal as one of our main journalists

Christy42 · 25-04-2020 03:01PM

kwestfan08 wrote: »

But it's going to come back anyway regardless. There is no getting rid of the virus until a vaccine arrives. Hospital and ICU capacity seems to be able to handle the cases that are presenting to it.

Wouldn't it make sense to roll back restrictions a little of May 5th, give people a reward for their efforts. And then when cases do creep up again impose them back. This is only lockdown 1.0 we are in there will be need for maybe 4 or 5 before we are finshed

You could give stickers out? A day off homework was a common reward if I remember 2nd class.

We ease restrictions when it is advisable from a medical standpoint.

Honestly I think as soon as you ease restrictions people will assume it is all over. I don't think they would be too appreciative of going in and out of lockdown

is_that_so · 25-04-2020 03:02PM

kwestfan08 wrote: »

But it's going to come back anyway regardless. There is no getting rid of the virus until a vaccine arrives. Hospital and ICU capacity seems to be able to handle the cases that are presenting to it.

Wouldn't it make sense to roll back restrictions a little of May 5th, give people a reward for their efforts. And then when cases do creep up again impose them back. This is only lockdown 1.0 we are in there will be need for maybe 4 or 5 before we are finshed

Watch the case numbers next week. They are going to trial the case definition they originally had,to see what comes out of it and presumably to run a test of the target turnaround times of about 24 hours.

trapp · 25-04-2020 03:02PM

Nolan Shrilling Bobsled wrote: »

Unfortunately, there was a surge in cases when Singapore lifted the restrictions. One of Ireland’s saving graces was foresight. We learned heavily from the mistakes of Italy and Spain. And we will be lucky enough to have the vantage point of learning from the mistakes of the other countries when we do lift our restrictions. It will not be a case of “lockdown is over, lads”. Otherwise, we will have wasted all the efforts that we made since the social restrictions. We have to ensure that a careful plan is in place, including testing and treating. I am sure that the government and HSE are currently working on this strategy. We do not want to be victims of hubris.

I have not seen my family, friends or partner for 8 weeks. I am afraid that working as a hospital doctor means that I can potentially bring them home Covid. My mother has emphysema. I am so grateful that Ireland has come together so well to protect my mom. Yes, I feel very home-sick and lonely at the moment. But the price of my mom’s life, and all the other moms and dads, and grandparents, and “at risk” people is just too high to pay.

Ireland has proven itself a stable democracy throughout this crisis. This will serve as incentive for future investors. Our economic tide will turn. And we will once again will rise out of the ashes (we did it after 2008, remember the scaremongering then). And my homesickness will pass. And I will feel proud of Ireland when I am sharing a nice cuppa with Mom

This sounds wonderful in theory and we could all buy into it.

But you are living in a fairytale my poor old friend.

This virus isn't going away.

A vaccine could be years away.

We need to learn to live with the virus not just wait for some fairytale ending that is never going to happen.

Sorry for bursting your bubble but wake up my poor man.

khalessi · 25-04-2020 03:04PM

trapp wrote: »

This sounds wonderful in theory and we could all buy into it.

But you are living in a fairytale my poor old friend.

This virus isn't going away.

A vaccine could be years away.

We need to learn to live with the virus not just wait for some fairytale ending that is never going to happen.

Sorry for bursting your bubble but wake up my poor man.

Love this you are explaining viruses and vaccines to a doctor lolol:pac::pac::D:D

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 25-04-2020 03:08PM

trapp wrote: »

This sounds wonderful in theory and we could all buy into it.

But you are living in a fairytale my poor old friend.

This virus isn't going away.

A vaccine could be years away.

We need to learn to live with the virus not just wait for some fairytale ending that is never going to happen.

Sorry for bursting your bubble but wake up my poor man.

Spoke with a Professor of Epidemiology in LSHTM this week. She said that nobody really knows how all of this is going to play out. But I can pass you on her contact details, and you can let her know that you actually know how it will all play out.

Also, LSHTM is running several phase 2 trials for various therapies. All we need is one successful one. I have a background in clinical trials. I have faith in what can be achieved when the stakes are high.

The truth is that nobody knows how it will be. But we can only make decisions on the present information. And the restrictions have been successful thus far. The government are most likely making a strategy for when the restrictions are lifted. This takes time. This takes data.

I love how you presume that I am a male. Is it because I am a doctor?

trapp · 25-04-2020 03:08PM

khalessi wrote: »

Love this you are explaining viruses and vaccines to a doctor lolol:pac::pac::D:D

But he seems to thing we'll have a vaccine soon.

The poor man needs to wake up my good friend.

khalessi · 25-04-2020 03:12PM

trapp wrote: »

But he seems to thing we'll have a vaccine soon.

The poor man needs to wake up my good friend.

Trapp my eyes do need testing but Ive read his comment twice now and can see no menation of a vaccine.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 25-04-2020 03:12PM

trapp wrote: »

But he seems to thing we'll have a vaccine soon.

The poor man needs to wake up my good friend.

Again with the He. I don’t know if we will have a vaccine. I am speaking for the present lockdown. The health system responded to the crisis in an appropriate fashion. I am speaking for the present. It seems that some boards users want to extrapolate my words into the future

kwestfan08 · 25-04-2020 03:13PM

Christy42 wrote: »

You could give stickers out? A day off homework was a common reward if I remember 2nd class.

We ease restrictions when it is advisable from a medical standpoint.

Honestly I think as soon as you ease restrictions people will assume it is all over. I don't think they would be too appreciative of going in and out of lockdown

I would have thought practically zero community transmission and an R0 of between 0.5 - 0.8 was medical grounds to ease restrictions?

trapp · 25-04-2020 03:15PM

Nolan Shrilling Bobsled wrote: »

Again with the He. I don’t know if we will have a vaccine. I am speaking for the present lockdown. The health system responded to the crisis in an appropriate fashion. I am speaking for the present. It seems that some boards users want to extrapolate my words into the future

But what happens now?

Without a vaccine the only way out of the current situation is to learn to live alongside the virus.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-04-2020 03:22PM

UK reports 813 new deaths (up from 684 yesterday)

16 in NI.

NegativeCreep · 25-04-2020 03:23PM

trapp wrote: »

But what happens now?

Without a vaccine the only way out of the current situation is to learn to live alongside the virus.

People aren’t ready to accept it yet. In fairness, we haven’t been locked down that long in the grand scheme of things and we are only doing lockdown-lite.

In a few more months people will be more willing to accept that this virus is here to stay and we will have to accept the deaths that go along with it, horrible as that is.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 25-04-2020 03:25PM

trapp wrote: »

But what happens now?

Without a vaccine the only way out of the current situation is to learn to live alongside the virus.

I think that we have successfully averted a potentially overwhelmed health service. The government and HSE are likely ensuring that this current outbreak is at a low-level in the population. They are also likely ensuring that there is a strategy in place for when the restrictions are lifted. I imagine that the restrictions will start to ease up soon. But they will want to do it in a phased manner, to ensure that it is not a free-for-all for the virus.

With regard to the future, I am no psychic. I think that anybody here who says that they know for sure what will happen is greatly mistaken. Hence, I simply speak for today, on what I observe around me.

My posts were simply observing that I think that our recent efforts have really helped to save the health service form the tragedies in Italy.

Oxford are running some human studies in Covid-vaccines at present. Who knows what the outcome will be. But work in medical research is happening at a phenomenal rate. That is my hope. When this vaccine comes, nobody knows

khalessi · 25-04-2020 03:28PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

People aren’t ready to accept it yet. In fairness, we haven’t been locked down that long in the grand scheme of things and we are only doing lockdown-lite.

In a few more months people will be more willing to accept that this virus is here to stay and we will have to accept the deaths that go along with it, horrible as that is.

I think most people are aware the virus is here to stay hence most peole are abiding by the people working on this and sticking to restrictions. There is nothing to be gained by swinging open all the doors at once.

This started with one person and travelled the world and the restrictions will not be with us forever but lifted slowly to ensure no case spread or low enough to manage and eventually all will be restored with social distancing and hygiene as part of everyday life for a while. The world recovered from Spanish Flu and we will bounce back from this.

Miike · 25-04-2020 03:28PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

People aren’t ready to accept it yet. In fairness, we haven’t been locked down that long in the grand scheme of things and we are only doing lockdown-lite.

In a few more months people will be more willing to accept that this virus is here to stay and we will have to accept the deaths that go along with it, horrible as that is.

This is the kind of dichotomous thinking that hurts. That we will go from all to nothing. I think people are finding it hard to accept that life as we knew it a few months ago, isn't going to back for quite some time. The way we interact, trade and do business may never be the same.

redarmy · 25-04-2020 03:29PM

The HSE has confirmed that 21 people have died with #COVID19 in a single nursing home in Dublin since the outbreak began.

A number of staff and residents at St Mary's in the Phoenix Park in Dublin have also tested positive for the virus.

Cork Boy 53 · 25-04-2020 03:29PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

UK reports 813 new deaths (up from 684 yesterday)

16 in NI.

Is that the highest daily death rate in NI so far?

TOMs WIFE · 25-04-2020 03:31PM

Nolan Shrilling Bobsled wrote: »

I love how you presume that I am a male. Is it because I am a doctor?

Nolan Shrilling Bobsled wrote: »

Again with the He.

Ahh lighten up. Most on here are blokes probably. If you aren't a man, and want him (?) to know just tell him. Otherwise you just sound like a woman getting touchy (whether you are a man or a woman)

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sterz · 25-04-2020 03:31PM

sterz wrote: »

Is it? According to Worldometers, there were 15 deaths reported on April 17th and 14 reported on April 22nd. Your post makes it out to be much worse than it actually is.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/

@Kermit.de.frog?

MipMap · 25-04-2020 03:31PM

Nolan Shrilling Bobsled wrote: »

I think that we have successfully averted a potentially overwhelmed health service. The government and HSE are likely ensuring that this current outbreak is at a low-level in the population. They are also likely ensuring that there is a strategy in place for when the restrictions are lifted. I imagine that the restrictions will start to ease up soon. But they will want to do it in a phased manner, to ensure that it is not a free-for-all for the virus.

With regard to the future, I am no psychic. I think that anybody know says that they know for sure what will happen is greatly mistaken. Hence, I simply speak for today, on what I observe around me.

My posts were simply observing that I think that our recent efforts have really helped to save the health service form the tragedies in Italy.

Oxford are running some human studies in Covid-vaccines at present. Who knows what the outcome will be. But work in medical research is happening at a phenomenal rate. That is my hope

I get the feeling that most people in this country do not understand the difference between a health service that can cope and one that is overwhelmed.

As I understand it 20% get Hospitalized and 6% get serious and 1% die.

My guess would be that with an overwhelmed health service most of those 20% would get serious and god knows (maybe 25%) would die.

In other words I would be interested in your views on this as a MAN who knows. (even though you are a woman)

polesheep · 25-04-2020 03:34PM

Nolan Shrilling Bobsled wrote: »

Unfortunately, there was a surge in cases when Singapore lifted the restrictions. One of Ireland’s saving graces was foresight. We learned heavily from the mistakes of Italy and Spain. And we will be lucky enough to have the vantage point of learning from the mistakes of the other countries when we do lift our restrictions. It will not be a case of “lockdown is over, lads”. Otherwise, we will have wasted all the efforts that we made since the social restrictions. We have to ensure that a careful plan is in place, including testing and treating. I am sure that the government and HSE are currently working on this strategy. We do not want to be victims of hubris.

I have not seen my family, friends or partner for 8 weeks. I am afraid that working as a hospital doctor means that I can potentially bring them home Covid. My mother has emphysema. I am so grateful that Ireland has come together so well to protect my mom. Yes, I feel very home-sick and lonely at the moment. But the price of my mom’s life, and all the other moms and dads, and grandparents, and “at risk” people is just too high to pay.

Ireland has proven itself a stable democracy throughout this crisis. This will serve as incentive for future investors. Our economic tide will turn. And we will once again will rise out of the ashes (we did it after 2008, remember the scaremongering then). And my homesickness will pass. And I will feel proud of Ireland when I am sharing a nice cuppa with Mom

Are you a medical doctor or HSE PR?

NegativeCreep · 25-04-2020 03:35PM

Miike wrote: »

This is the kind of dichotomous thinking that hurts. That we will go from all to nothing. I think people are finding it hard to accept that life as we knew it a few months ago, isn't going to back for quite some time. The way we interact, trade and do business may never be the same.

I know restrictions won’t be lifted all at once. But at some point we are going to have to use more of the capacity of our hospitals and have less restrictions to allow people to make money and keep themselves going. There will be a mix of the two. Some restrictions might be lifted for a while and then brought back in a few months and lifted again to control the numbers in the hospitals to stop them getting overwhelmed.

It will go on for a long time (longer than I think most people expect) and we are going to have to get used to that.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-04-2020 03:36PM

sterz wrote: »

Is it? According to Worldometers, there were 15 deaths reported on April 17th and 14 reported on April 22nd. Your post makes it out to be much worse than it actually is.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/

14 is lower than 15 I believe :pac:

There was 15 on the 17th.

100% accurate and on the cases too.

Sam Russell · 25-04-2020 03:36PM

trapp wrote: »

This sounds wonderful in theory and we could all buy into it.

But you are living in a fairytale my poor old friend.

This virus isn't going away.

A vaccine could be years away.

We need to learn to live with the virus not just wait for some fairytale ending that is never going to happen.

Sorry for bursting your bubble but wake up my poor man.

A vaccine may never happen. It has proved impossible to provide a vaccine for the common cold which is a corona virus.

The current push in research is to find anything that lessons the impact of this virus.

There are pointers that this virus can be really nasty and can cause strange blood disorders, strange impacts on the lungs, can impact many organs in the body.

It is universally accepted that injecting household cleaners will not help in anyway and is quite likely fatal with one person being the exception. Do not try this at home!

There are pointers that, surprisingly, smokers are not as badly affected as non-smokers, so perhaps nicotine might help. That vitamin D levels suggest the low Vit D is a bad predictor, so perhaps Vit D might help. Some pointers that anti-inflammatory drugs help. So some positives before that elusive vaccine is found.

The current regime of lock-down is to allow the health service cope which is definitely working, with the exception of residential homes. If the creches had not been closed, that could have been another disaster.

I think we can see at least another month with some slight let up after 5th May.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-04-2020 03:37PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Is that the highest daily death rate in NI so far?

I don't think it's their worst but i'm not sure.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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