Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Danzy · 24-04-2020 08:08PM

joe_99 wrote: »

All new cases are from known contacts with an infected person at the moment.

Community transmission relates to unknown sources. A person who gets it that can't be traced back to an infected person.

That's a relief.

VonLuck · 24-04-2020 08:08PM

Bobtheman wrote: »

No relaxation at all? May 5

No one has a clue.

Beechwoodspark · 24-04-2020 08:10PM

My two cents

Ppl are WAY TOO CASUAL the last few days

It’s gonna ruin any chance the lockdown will ease

Selfish selfish idiots

AlekSmart · 24-04-2020 08:11PM

Interesting article on the New Zealand/Ireland comparison here...

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0424/1134650-new-zealand-seeing-the-benefits-of-a-strict-lockdown/

One wonders if this could really be a lightbulb moment,particularly remember ing Cheltenham and of course the arrival of the Fruit Pickers into Dublin.

In comparing the spread of Covid-19 between the Republic of Ireland and New Zealand, a University of Auckland academic highlighted the reduced numbers of community transmissions and the closing of its borders as reasons why New Zealand has achieved much in stemming the virus.

Seems that the Kiwi's took a single minded approach,with perhaps the whole 'Border' thing having fewer connotations in Historical terms ?

Professor O'Brien said the crucial factor that reduced New Zealand's transmission rate was the closure of the country's borders on the 19 March, when all non-residents were banned from admission.

He added that since then anyone coming into the country is being quarantined at the airport for two weeks courtesy of the government.

"People are being picked up at one of the country's three airports that are open and are being brought to a, in most cases, very nice hotel where they stay for two weeks, paid for by the government. People do not go back to their community and have contact with others."

Yea...seems sensible ?

However,as the article develops,we come to the nityy-gritty....

"Here the lockdown is serious and it is strictly enforced. People get upset and angry if they see others not complying. They report, or dob people in to the police if they're not observing it."

Oh dear...can't see that going down well in the Kilo ?

One other startling difference Kiwi vs Shamrock,is the Restaurant-Take Away situation....

Another stark difference, according to the Mr O'Brien, is that all restaurant and cafes have closed completely, where they have not been allowed to not run takeaway services.

"Restaurant takeaways have been completely banned. The argument was that its not just people going there to pick up but there are people working there.

Again,in retrospect,it appears super-sensible,with anybody familiar with Dublin City Centre post lockdown,being very aware of the predominance of Deliveroo and such likes scooting all over the place.

Any views on the article ...Yea,Nay or Maaybe ?

Jim_Hodge · 24-04-2020 08:12PM

brickster69 wrote: »

Ireland at #8 in the world now with deaths / million when you take the micro states out.

8 per million behind Sweden.

RIP

Yet again, counting of deaths in some countries.....

You know, it's not worth it.

Beechwoodspark · 24-04-2020 08:12PM

Closing the border is one of the first things that should’ve been done but Leo and co seemed to have no notion of doing it.

celt262 · 24-04-2020 08:14PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Closing the border is one of the first things that should’ve been done but Leo and co seemed to have no notion of doing it.

you cannot prevent Irish citizens from entering the country.

Beasty · 24-04-2020 08:15PM

Just Saying wrote: »

By my calculations approx. 40% of our deaths are lab confirmed hospital deaths...406/1014.

If this percentage for example was replicated in the UK they could have up on 50k deaths which would be nearly 4 times our death rate per capita.

While its possible that the care home deaths are higher here than there I would still think that they are definitely running at over 3 times our rate per head.

821 hospital deaths according to today's Press Release (and I think they were all lab confirmed positive tests)

Rob A. Bank · 24-04-2020 08:15PM

An editorial today in the New England Journal of Medicine, the premiere medical journal worldwide, draws attention to the inadequacy of traditional public health measures in controlling the spread of Covid-19. What worked with SARS and Influenza is not working with Covid-19.

Asymptomatic Transmission, the Achilles’ Heel of Current Strategies to Control Covid-19

“ It is notable that 17 of 24 specimens (71%) from presymptomatic persons had viable virus by culture 1 to 6 days before the development of symptoms.”

“An important finding of this report is that more than half the residents of this skilled nursing facility (27 of 48) who had positive tests were asymptomatic at testing. Moreover, live coronavirus clearly sheds at high concentrations from the nasal cavity even before symptom development.”

And they conclude “These factors also support the case for the general public to use face masks when in crowded outdoor or indoor spaces. This unprecedented pandemic calls for unprecedented measures to achieve its ultimate defeat.”

People can have viable virus for up to 6 days BEFORE they become symptomatic. This finding has deep implications for the traditional public health measures and their failure to control the spread of the virus.

It also highlights the need for public masking, because you and everyone you meet could be presymptomatic and shedding virus at high concentrations.

Boggles · 24-04-2020 08:15PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Closing the border is one of the first things that should’ve been done but Leo and co seemed to have no notion of doing it.

And leave 1000s of Irish Citizens floating around the world?

Kermit.de.frog · 24-04-2020 08:17PM

Ah Tony

Should have staggered the probables

jackboy · 24-04-2020 08:17PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Any views on the article ...Yea,Nay or Maaybe ?

The New Zealand plan can only work if their restrictions are never ending. Eventually they will have to ease the restrictions and let the virus in.

Beechwoodspark · 24-04-2020 08:18PM

celt262 wrote: »

you cannot prevent Irish citizens from entering the country.

No problem with them entering once quarantined in an army base for 14 days

stephenjmcd · 24-04-2020 08:18PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Closing the border is one of the first things that should’ve been done but Leo and co seemed to have no notion of doing it.

And how exactly to you close a border that has hundreds of crossing points with everyone on the island entitled to move freely between north and south

timmy_mallet · 24-04-2020 08:18PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

My two cents

Ppl are WAY TOO CASUAL the last few days

It’s gonna ruin any chance the lockdown will ease

Selfish selfish idiots

Or maybe they're accepting of the risk?

Beechwoodspark · 24-04-2020 08:18PM

Boggles wrote: »

And leave 1000s of Irish Citizens floating around the world?

No. Let them in and then straight to army base for quarantine - no exceptions

timmy_mallet · 24-04-2020 08:19PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No problem with them entering once quarantined in an army base for 14 days

Wny an army one, in particular?

Beechwoodspark · 24-04-2020 08:19PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And how exactly to you close a border that has hundreds of crossing points with everyone on the island entitled to move freely between north and south

Just close it. Deploy the army if need be

Beechwoodspark · 24-04-2020 08:20PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Wny an army one, in particular?

Don’t trust the guards to run it if I’m honest.

the.red.baron · 24-04-2020 08:20PM

celt262 wrote: »

you cannot prevent Irish citizens from entering the country.

This is it exactly, but they should have force isolated all travellers and tested them, release if negative

Suggesting to self isolate a bad idea

The unwillingness to stop italians coming over was weak, although how many actually travelled is debatable

Cork Boy 53 · 24-04-2020 08:20PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Interesting article on the New Zealand/Ireland comparison here...

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0424/1134650-new-zealand-seeing-the-benefits-of-a-strict-lockdown/

One wonders if this could really be a lightbulb moment,particularly remember ing Cheltenham and of course the arrival of the Fruit Pickers into Dublin.

Seems that the Kiwi's took a single minded approach,with perhaps the whole 'Border' thing having fewer connotations in Historical terms ?

Professor O'Brien said the crucial factor that reduced New Zealand's transmission rate was the closure of the country's borders on the 19 March, when all non-residents were banned from admission.

Yea...seems sensible ?

However,as the article develops,we come to the nityy-gritty....

Oh dear...can't see that going down well in the Kilo ?

One other startling difference Kiwi vs Shamrock,is the Restaurant-Take Away situation....

Again,in retrospect,it appears super-sensible,with anybody familiar with Dublin City Centre post lockdown,being very aware of the predominance of Deliveroo and such likes scooting all over the place.

Any views on the article ...Yea,Nay or Maaybe ?

Clearly this policy has worked in NZ. However the country is far more isolated from its nearest neighbours than Ireland is and doesn`t have a land border with another jurisdiction.

stephenjmcd · 24-04-2020 08:20PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just close it. Deploy the army if need be

Great logic just close it, fantastic plan

timmy_mallet · 24-04-2020 08:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ah Tony Should have staggered the probables

It's not a f***ng competion.

What Username Guidelines · 24-04-2020 08:21PM

jackboy wrote: »

The New Zealand plan can only work if their restrictions are never ending. Eventually they will have to ease the restrictions and let the virus in.

They can be fully self sufficient for as long as it takes.

timmy_mallet · 24-04-2020 08:21PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Great logic just close it, fantastic plan

Weird military fetish. Likely sh*t his pants if he was anywhere near one or war

Beechwoodspark · 24-04-2020 08:21PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Great logic just close it, fantastic plan

What is so hard to understand. Deploy army. Close border. Send all non Irish passport holders back. Send Irish passport holders to army base for quarantine.

JP Liz V1 · 24-04-2020 08:22PM

Is the tracing app still happening?

Beechwoodspark · 24-04-2020 08:22PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Weird military fetish. Likely sh*t his pants if he was anywhere near one or war

You have no knowledge of my background or experience timmy

timmy_mallet · 24-04-2020 08:22PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Don’t trust the guards to run it if I’m honest.

Oh right.

Beechwoodspark · 24-04-2020 08:22PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Oh right.

Bitter experience timmy

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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