Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Birdy · 23-04-2020 11:24PM

I assume the plan goes through Government next Thursday.

JRant · 23-04-2020 11:26PM

Strumms wrote: »

It’s not a numbers game. It’s about keeping everyone safe, healthy, alive. It’s of no fûcking consequence to me about kids being born in x hospital in whatever hospital in whatever city. My goal is to keep my family and friends safe and though my behavior and when I can influence the behaviors of others, not to be going acting the gob****e and breaking the regs, because of loneliness, because of boredom or feeling isolated I don’t care... no excuses.

If it's about keeping everyone safe, healthy and alive then I'm sure you are all for getting children back to meeting their friends in school and clubs etc. As far as any illness goes they are pretty bulletproof when it comes to this, which itself is strange one as most diseases effect the very young and very old.
At this stage there is absolutely no good reason for children to be still seen as pariahs, these mythical creatures who can kill people with a mere glance.

donaghs · 23-04-2020 11:27PM

Strumms wrote: »

It’s not a numbers game. It’s about keeping everyone safe, healthy, alive. It’s of no fûcking consequence to me about kids being born in x hospital in whatever hospital in whatever city. My goal is to keep my family and friends safe and though my behavior and when I can influence the behaviors of others, not to be going acting the gob****e and breaking the regs, because of loneliness, because of boredom or feeling isolated I don’t care... no excuses.

If we want to have a health service, and you’re concerned about people, the answer is looking for ways to end the lockdown in such a way that we keep the virus spread manageable. Otherwise we’re facing into a grim recession/depression, globally.

JRant · 23-04-2020 11:29PM

Birdy wrote: »

I assume the plan goes through Government next Thursday.

Our new leaders said they won't be lifting restrictions today. What Leo and Simon think is immaterial.

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 11:31PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just on childbirth, I know of health care workers double jobbing between a hospital with Covid wards and the maternity hospital.
Couldn't believe it. I know this person well. Seems like madness.

Babies must be completely safe from the effects.

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 11:33PM

Strumms wrote: »

It’s not a numbers game. It’s about keeping everyone safe, healthy, alive. It’s of no fûcking consequence to me about kids being born in x hospital in whatever hospital in whatever city. My goal is to keep my family and friends safe and though my behavior and when I can influence the behaviors of others, not to be going acting the gob****e and breaking the regs, because of loneliness, because of boredom or feeling isolated I don’t care... no excuses.

So you are afraid only for you and yours.

JRant · 23-04-2020 11:34PM

donaghs wrote: »

If we want to have a health service, and you’re concerned about people, the answer is looking for ways to end the lockdown in such a way that we keep the virus spread manageable. Otherwise we’re facing into a grim recession/depression, globally.

We already had scandalous wait times for people to see consultants for pretty much every type of aliment. Imagine what it's going to be like when hospitals begin dealing with all the day to day stuff that's been binned for the past 2 months.

Strumms · 23-04-2020 11:36PM

JRant wrote: »

If it's about keeping everyone safe, healthy and alive then I'm sure you are all for getting children back to meeting their friends in school and clubs etc. As far as any illness goes they are pretty bulletproof when it comes to this, which itself is strange one as most diseases effect the very young and very old.
At this stage there is absolutely no good reason for children to be still seen as pariahs, these mythical creatures who can kill people with a mere glance.

They are not bulletproof. They can contract it but for whatever reason they are less symptomatic. This makes them more of a danger, also because they need adults and close supervision and companionship and don’t know the full impact of the disease and how they can behave.

thebaz · 23-04-2020 11:37PM

donaghs wrote: »

Not to dismiss it, but Unemployment and poverty will be a bigger issue than covid lockdown mental health, in the next year.

I agree, but they often go together - unemployment leads to depression - been ther myself - and already the UN is warning of famines and huger in the developing world which will cause way more damage than what we have seen from Covid - but to question the WHO driven strategy of lockdown as the only answer to contain a virus , and you get accused of lacking compassion - When alternative strategies like in Sweden and South Korea have been more effective than some places that enforced lockdowns.

Strumms · 23-04-2020 11:39PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So you are afraid only for you and yours.

If I’m about that why did I post .. “It’s about keeping everyone safe, healthy, alive”. You need to have a sit down and a glass of milk.

donaghs · 23-04-2020 11:42PM

JRant wrote: »

We already had scandalous wait times for people to see consultants for pretty much every type of aliment. Imagine what it's going to be like when hospitals begin dealing with all the day to day stuff that's been binned for the past 2 months.

Yes, alongside the recession cut-backs on public service. And people forced to cancel their costly health insurance.

I think we’ll look back and think the Swedish approach globally would have been the best overall for mortality rates.

normanoffside · 23-04-2020 11:43PM

Strumms wrote: »

They are not bulletproof. They can contract it but for whatever reason they are less symptomatic. This makes them more of a danger, also because they need adults and close supervision and companionship and don’t know the full impact of the disease and how they can behave.

Actually they are less likely to spread it too.
The more symptomatic you are the greater the risk of you passing it on.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/boy-with-covid-19-did-not-transmit-disease-to-more-than-170-contacts

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/apr/06/school-closures-have-little-impact-on-spread-of-coronavirus-study

But don't be listening to scientific studies, better to hide in your hot press for a few years until it all goes away.

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 11:43PM

Strumms wrote: »

If I’m about that why did I post .. “It’s about keeping everyone safe, healthy, alive”. You need to have a sit down and a glass of milk.

" It’s of no fûcking consequence to me about kids being born in x hospital in whatever hospital in whatever city. My goal is to keep my family and friends safe."

Cork Boy 53 · 23-04-2020 11:44PM

Strumms wrote: »

They are not bulletproof. They can contract it but for whatever reason they are less symptomatic. This makes them more of a danger, also because they need adults and close supervision and companionship and don’t know the full impact of the disease and how they can behave.

Exactly. I think it`s astounding the amount of people who are in denial of this fact.

JRant · 23-04-2020 11:47PM

Strumms wrote: »

They are not bulletproof. They can contract it but for whatever reason they are less symptomatic. This makes them more of a danger, also because they need adults and close supervision and companionship and don’t know the full impact of the disease and how they can behave.

More of a danger? Think about the language you are using here. Children are no more a danger than adults and studies are starting to show the inverse is actually true.
Seriously, I get that this can be unsettling for a lot of people but viewing children as a danger is plain wrong.

normanoffside · 23-04-2020 11:47PM

thebaz wrote: »

I agree, but they often go together - unemployment leads to depression - been ther myself - and already the UN is warning of famines and huger in the developing world which will cause way more damage than what we have seen from Covid - but to question the WHO driven strategy of lockdown as the only answer to contain a virus , and you get accused of lacking compassion - When alternative strategies like in Sweden and South Korea have been more effective than some places that enforced lockdowns.

1.2Billion people in India and food prices are soaring due to lockdown and people are not earning due to lockdown.

How many people will die as a result?

https://www.ft.com/content/f9eb67f3-5cf8-42c4-be97-8dd36a7f1671

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 11:48PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Actually they are less likely to spread it too.
The more symptomatic you are the greater the risk of you passing it on.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/boy-with-covid-19-did-not-transmit-disease-to-more-than-170-contacts

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/apr/06/school-closures-have-little-impact-on-spread-of-coronavirus-study

But don't be listening to scientific studies, better to hide in your hot press for a few years until it all goes away.

The longer the restrictions have continued, the argument in favour of restrictions has developed into a purely anecdotal one.

Strumms · 23-04-2020 11:48PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s of no fûcking consequence to me about kids being born in x hospital in whatever hospital in whatever city. My goal is to keep my family and friends safe.

Exactly, what’s going on in Madrid, Caracas, Lima, Leitrim or Donegal I have a no way of influencing. ... what I’m doing here is when my old man wants to fûck off down to his sister 4 kms away, not happening, when I got some stuff for an elderly neighbor, I’m dropping and running as opposed to staying for a chat, talked the girlfriends mother out of doing social stuff with the girlfriend upset and the mother just ‘missing’ chats with friends.

Balf · 23-04-2020 11:49PM

JRant wrote: »

So the CMO and Dr Nolan gave what can only be described as one of the most confusing press conferences to date.

Just reading about it on the journal.

https://www.thejournal.ie/no-traffic-increases-covid-19-5081943-Apr2020/

Did they really solemnly set out seismic data, as a measurement of traffics volumes. Did the Earth move for you, Tony?

Strumms · 23-04-2020 11:53PM

JRant wrote: »

More of a danger? Think about the language you are using here. Children are no more a danger than adults and studies are starting to show the inverse is actually true.
Seriously, I get that this can be unsettling for a lot of people but viewing children as a danger is plain wrong.

Kids have milder symptoms and better chances of recovery. But by their nature they are capable of spreading the virus more expeditiously.

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 11:54PM

Strumms wrote: »

Exactly, what’s going on in Madrid, Caracas, Lima, Leitrim or Donegal I have a no way of influencing. ... what I’m doing here is when my old man wants to fûck off down to his sister 4 kms away, not happening, when I got some stuff for an elderly neighbor, I’m dropping and running as opposed to staying for a chat, talked the girlfriends mother out of doing social stuff with the girlfriend upset and the mother just ‘missing’ chats with friends.

This is my opinion and only representative of mine, but Im not stopping any elderly person having an interaction with another human. My grandfather is of the opinion every month is a blessing and Im not interfering with his personal movement's. Hes not afraid of Covid, hes afraid of lonineless

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 11:55PM

Balf wrote: »

Just reading about it on the journal.

https://www.thejournal.ie/no-traffic-increases-covid-19-5081943-Apr2020/

Did they really solemnly set out seismic data, as a measurement of traffics volumes. Did the Earth move for you, Tony?

Moneys to tight to mention or it will be

donaghs · 24-04-2020 12:06AM

normanoffside wrote: »

1.2Billion people in India and food prices are soaring due to lockdown and people are not earning due to lockdown.

How many people will die as a result?

https://www.ft.com/content/f9eb67f3-5cf8-42c4-be97-8dd36a7f1671

Doesn’t compute with the lockdown forever zealots.

lord quackinton · 24-04-2020 12:06AM

normanoffside wrote: »

1.2Billion people in India and food prices are soaring due to lockdown and people are not earning due to lockdown.

How many people will die as a result?

https://www.ft.com/content/f9eb67f3-5cf8-42c4-be97-8dd36a7f1671

That’s what the lockdown Nazis don’t get
When the world economy takes a nose dive it is the poorest countries and the poorest people that take the hit

Currently the Irish government is borrowing billions to pay people out of work due to this lockdown
The really poor people in the third world are left even worse off because the developed world is full of cowards who would rather save themselves then help the real dirt poor non white people

For example Penney’s are closed and they give thousands of jobs to Asia , that’s stopped now and those Asian workers have no income and are now not even able to feed their children
Can the lockdown Nazis imagine a world where their is no welfare and your baby cries because of hunger
A lot of stupid and Selfish people on here who Back the lockdown who refuse to think of others

JRant · 24-04-2020 12:10AM

Balf wrote: »

Just reading about it on the journal.

https://www.thejournal.ie/no-traffic-increases-covid-19-5081943-Apr2020/

Did they really solemnly set out seismic data, as a measurement of traffics volumes. Did the Earth move for you, Tony?

They sure did and the good doctor actually mentioned anecdotal evidence of more people being out and about. This is what we are dealing with now.

JRant · 24-04-2020 12:12AM

Strumms wrote: »

Kids have milder symptoms and better chances of recovery. But by their nature they are capable of spreading the virus more expeditiously.

We know the first part is true. Not only have they better chances of recovery but the serious risk to them is practically zero to date.

The second part hasn't been shown to be true at all though.

Gregor Samsa · 24-04-2020 12:15AM

snowcat wrote: »

Hi
Give them a ring yourself. When are the brighter day? We have been told to extend indefinitely.

Theres people who survived not only Wold War II, but the horrors of the concentration camps to go in and have happy, productive, fulfilling lives. This situation we find ourselves in is nothing - nothing - compared to that. It will most certainly end.

Do please consider reaching out. Suicide is a permanent fix to a temporary problem.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 24-04-2020 12:18AM

lord quackinton wrote: »

That’s what the lockdown Nazis don’t get
When the world economy takes a nose dive it is the poorest countries and the poorest people that take the hit

Currently the Irish government is borrowing billions to pay people out of work due to this lockdown
The really poor people in the third world are left even worse off because the developed world is full of cowards who would rather save themselves then help the real dirt poor non white people

For example Penney’s are closed and they give thousands of jobs to Asia , that’s stopped now and those Asian workers have no income and are now not even able to feed their children
Can the lockdown Nazis imagine a world where their is no welfare and your baby cries because of hunger
A lot of stupid and Selfish people on here who Back the lockdown who refuse to think of others

So what your trying to say is gobal capitalism is the real problem

FintanMcluskey · 24-04-2020 12:19AM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

This situation we find ourselves in is nothing - nothing - compared to that. It will most certainly end.

The situation is covid. The response is the issue

KaneToad · 24-04-2020 12:20AM

BBC Horizon are currently showing a programme that everyone should watch. Scientific facts about Covid19. Too many of us consider ourselves to be epidemiologists based on snippets we read on Facebook. Listen to the rational facts from the scientists.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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