Relaxation of restrictions Part II

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 10:45PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Professor Nolan said the trend in Ireland was very stable and that there had been no growth for weeks. The virus is under control. You can try to obfuscate the truth but you destroy your credibility each time.

For about the 5th time, have another read: https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134432-figures-covid-thursday-23-april/

Ya may go again Id say

normanoffside · 23-04-2020 10:45PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How many of them are outside care home settings.

I'll wait for the answer.

I Already pointed this out this morning (not that the likes of you are listening) but approximately 70% of new cases are from care homes.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1253232672345817088

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 10:47PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Professor Nolan said the trend in Ireland was very stable and that there had been no growth for weeks. The virus is under control. You can try to obfuscate the truth but you destroy your credibility each time.

For about the 5th time, have another read: https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134432-figures-covid-thursday-23-april/

No, sorry.

I want you to answer my questions in response to statements by you.

How many of today's 936 new cases are outside nursing home settings?

And over what period were the tests conducted?

You are happy enough to call me a liar so you'll have no problem answering.

Oafley Jones · 23-04-2020 10:47PM

I thought the politics forum could be bad, but the amount of new regs spreading ****e on this forum is something else.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 10:48PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I Already pointed this out this morning (not that the likes of you are listening) but approximately 70% of new cases are from care homes.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1253232672345817088

I'm asking about today's 936 new cases.

How many of them are outside care home settings?

gozunda · 23-04-2020 10:49PM

GazzaL wrote: »

If the incubation period is up to 14 days, which is what we've been told, and we've been in lockdown for more than 14 days, and R0 is already where it needs to be, you can't expect people to sit on their hands for weeks and weeks beyond that timeframe, especially when they're not being given a forward plan and are just being lectured by belligerent ****.

GazzaL wrote: »

The pro-lockdown nutters don't give a toss if you're suffering from anything other than COVID-19.

Its evident you really understand nothing. Cloud cuckoo land really must be a lovely place to be

There's 'belligerent ****' and 'nutters' all right. They're not who you think ...

Cork Boy 53 · 23-04-2020 10:50PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

its over lads, sorry to break it to some but the game is up within 6 weeks we wont even be talking about it.

Another delusional head in the sand merchant I see. This forum seems to be infested with them.

normanoffside · 23-04-2020 10:50PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm asking about today's 936 new cases.

How many of them are outside care home settings?

Stats on that will probably come out tomorrow but going by trends of the previous two days and the fact that testing is now being concentrated on nursing homes, I would say more than 70%

Pitch n Putt · 23-04-2020 10:50PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Ah yes. The typical Irish reaction whenever an issue arises. Form a committee and after an interminable length of time a report is issued which will be left to gather dust on a shelf in some government department. Way to go for suggesting this.

The committee would be formed not to create a report as you put it but to get a input from experts in other areas economic etc. to see where we’re going with all this.

The future of the country can’t be decided by just a handful of medical experts.

We need a balanced approach and quickly at that as CMO and his assistant Philip Nolan’s approach at this evenings briefing was worrying and the government are just running with whatever they recommend.

coastwatch · 23-04-2020 10:50PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How many of them are outside care home settings.

I'll wait for the answer.

I would guess about half or more of the 930 cases reported today are due to the tests in nursing homes coming through now. Those tests started late last week and will continue to come through for another week or more.
I think there are around 25000 people in nursing homes / care homes, and 30000 staff.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 10:51PM

gozunda wrote: »

Its evident you really understand nothing. Cloud cuckoo land really must be a lovely place to be

There's 'belligerent ****' and 'nutters' all right. They're not who you think ...

It's the same group thanking each other for their nonsense.

I don't think I will get an answer to my questions but that's to be expected.

Thank christ this thread is here as a distraction for them.

JRant · 23-04-2020 10:51PM

So the CMO and Dr Nolan gave what can only be described as one of the most confusing press conferences to date. First the good news, community transmission is pretty much no existent with an R0 of 0.5/0.8. That's fantastic and we should all be extremely proud of what has been achieved since the beginning of March.

Then it went down the rabbit hole IMO. Both of these doctors are recommending maintaining full restrictions until they get the nursing homes under control in case they lead to infection in the wider community. Why not use rapid testing and contact tracing for everyone in nursing homes to manage this problem.

Honestly, I mentioned last night that I feared they would push these restrictions out because they had no plan. This just confirms it really. Either that or they want to use another round of restrictions to take the heat off their handling of the nursing homes, which has been awful from the start.

gauchesnell · 23-04-2020 10:52PM

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I thought the politics forum could be bad, but the amount of new regs spreading ****e on this forum is something else.

Agree...seems to be a lot of name calling and people shouting abuse at each other.

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 10:52PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm asking about today's 936 new cases.

How many of them are outside care home settings?

Ok Ill try as well. Its been answered already. The testing has ramped up this week in care/nursing homes, so much so the army are involved. Now its a unmitigated disaster the testing to follow the cases dates but at least over 70% and if not much higher for today

JRant · 23-04-2020 10:53PM

So the CMO and Dr Nolan gave what can only be described as one of the most confusing press conferences to date. First the good news, community transmission is pretty much no existent with an R0 of 0.5/0.8. That's fantastic and we should all be extremely proud of what has been achieved since the beginning of March.

Then it went down the rabbit hole IMO. Both of these doctors are recommending maintaining full restrictions until they get the nursing homes under control in case they lead to infection in the wider community. Why not use rapid testing and contact tracing for everyone in nursing homes to manage this problem.

Honestly, I mentioned last night that I feared they would push these restrictions out because they had no plan. This just confirms it really. Either that or they want to use another round of restrictions to take the heat off their handling of the nursing homes, which has been awful from the start.

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 10:55PM

JRant wrote: »

So the CMO and Dr Nolan gave what can only be described as one of the most confusing press conferences to date. First the good news, community transmission is pretty much no existent with an R0 of 0.5/0.8. That's fantastic and we should all be extremely proud of what has been achieved since the beginning of March.

Then it went down the rabbit hole IMO. Both of these doctors are recommending maintaining full restrictions until they get the nursing homes under control in case they lead to infection in the wider community. Why not use rapid testing and contact tracing for everyone in nursing homes to manage this problem.

Honestly, I mentioned last night that I feared they would push these restrictions out because they had no plan. This just confirms it really. Either that or they want to use another round of restrictions to take the heat off their handling of the nursing homes, which has been awful from the start.

Frightening. More Frightening than any flu. No direction. No leadership skills. We were told we had to get an RO below 1. Mission accomplished. But no, we now need to solve the unsolvable crisis. How TF will restrictions outside a nursing home solve the problems within.

normanoffside · 23-04-2020 10:57PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's the same group thanking each other for their nonsense.

I don't think I will get an answer to my questions but that's to be expected.

Thank christ this thread is here as a distraction for them.

I have answered your questions but you are not listening.
Do you even read the news past the headlines?
Do you study the detailed HSE reports?
Do you listen to the CMO and his advisers past the initial reporting of numbers?

It seems not!

SNNUS · 23-04-2020 10:58PM

I want all the answers!!

I will wait until you tell me!!

Good discussion..

Strumms · 23-04-2020 10:59PM

NH2013 wrote: »

No, you're being asked not to see you family or significant other or friends, something at the core to us as a species is how we socialise and work together as a society and keeping people apart is totally unnatural.

Yes, it is be required but it goes against our natural instinct to be sociable, to engage with others, to form and maintain bonds and relationships. This lockdown, while successful in containing the spread within the community, and was certainly required can not go on forever and people need both hope that it will end soon or else they will simply give up on it.

It is not as simple as just sitting at home and watching TV, it's surpressing our basic instincts to socialise and that's having a major impact on many people, in particular when they're not being given an end in sight.

Our most natural instinct that outweighs everything that you posted... The human instinct to survive when our survival is threatened is our most natural instinct. It’s easier to suppress everything else when our wellbeing and that of our loved ones is threatened. So copping on, sitting at home, staying near home and being part of the formula of the fix instead of a part of the formula for death and illness isn’t a great hardship when you think about it.

Yes certain people I know are having an easier time than others that’s to be expected but the prize for winning this battle, this battle of health, battle of wills, battle of survival is LIFE and wellbeing for everyone... so people need to wrap their brains around that for a time.

normanoffside · 23-04-2020 11:00PM

JRant wrote: »

Then it went down the rabbit hole IMO. Both of these doctors are recommending maintaining full restrictions until they get the nursing homes under control in case they lead to infection in the wider community. Why not use rapid testing and contact tracing for everyone in nursing homes to manage this problem.

If they can lock down the nursing homes (as they should have done from the start) then what happens in the general population will have no effect inside nursing homes.

snowcat · 23-04-2020 11:01PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Hey snowcat, that’s two posts you made that hint at suicide - your own and your parents’ - as a reaction to this situation.

Please remember there will be an end to this, and there are brighter days ahead. Maybe give the Samaritans a call on 116 123 and talk through your thoughts, or contact them other ways here:

https://www.samaritans.org/ireland/samaritans-ireland/

Take care

Hi
Give them a ring yourself. When are the brighter day? We have been told to extend indefinitely.

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 11:03PM

Strumms wrote: »

Our most natural instinct that outweighs everything that you posted... The human instinct to survive when our survival is threatened is our most natural instinct. It’s easier to suppress everything else when our wellbeing and that of our loved ones is threatened. So copping on, sitting at home, staying near home and being part of the formula of the fix instead of a part of the formula for death and illness isn’t a great hardship when you think about it.

Yes certain people I know are having an easier time than others that’s to be expected but the prize for winning this battle, this battle of health, battle of wills, battle of survival is LIFE and wellbeing for everyone... so people need to wrap their brains around that for a time.

Look Im sorry but this is waffle. Nursing home patients will have no effect on human survival as a species. Neither will Covid it will not be a drop in the ocean . Approximately 165 babies were born here today, and across the world the birth rate exceeds the death rate.

JRant · 23-04-2020 11:06PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Frightening. More Frightening than any flu. No direction. No leadership skills. We were told we had to get an RO below 1. Mission accomplished. But no, we now need to solve the unsolvable crisis. How TF will restrictions outside a nursing home solve the problems within.

It won't, what's needed is a redeployment of resources directly to residential and nursing homes immediately. Not just testing but PPE, additional staffing, specialist care etc.
Stop dopes like me from going more than 2km or shutting down shops won't make a jot of difference to those poor people losing their lives in these settings.

normanoffside · 23-04-2020 11:09PM

JRant wrote: »

So the CMO and Dr Nolan gave what can only be described as one of the most confusing press conferences to date. First the good news, community transmission is pretty much no existent with an R0 of 0.5/0.8. That's fantastic and we should all be extremely proud of what has been achieved since the beginning of March.

So community spread has gone down despite the fact that some people continue to go outside?
Unbelievable!

I was lead to believe by Bandit Luke and Kermit De Frog that people going out for a walk, jog or even (god forbid) to sunbathe were going to kill everyone.

Time to get out of the hot presses folks.
Newsflash! The gardens and parks are safe!

normanoffside · 23-04-2020 11:13PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's the same group thanking each other for their nonsense.

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality
Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see

donaghs · 23-04-2020 11:14PM

thebaz wrote: »

I think you know - but just in case you dont - The country has been in lockdown for over 5 week - the country has done its part in help flattening the curve , the 100,000 deaths has not happened, its now time to look at other areas in society that are suffering - the spiralling mental health problem and the huge amount of people who have other medical issues other than Covid 19.

Not to dismiss it, but Unemployment and poverty will be a bigger issue than covid lockdown mental health, in the next year.

drunkmonkey · 23-04-2020 11:16PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Look Im sorry but this is waffle. Nursing home patients will have no effect on human survival as a species. Neither will Covid it will not be a drop in the ocean . Approximately 165 babies were born here today, and across the world the birth rate exceeds the death rate.

Just on childbirth, I know of health care workers double jobbing between a hospital with Covid wards and the maternity hospital.
Couldn't believe it. I know this person well. Seems like madness.

LiquidZeb · 23-04-2020 11:18PM

donaghs wrote: »

Not to dismiss it, but Unemployment and poverty will be a bigger issue than covid lockdown mental health, in the next year.

Ah don't worry bandit Luke and Kermit will be along shortly to tell them to shut up and watch Netflix at home and not to bother anyone with such trivialities as mental health, employment or having a roof over your head.

Strumms · 23-04-2020 11:20PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Look Im sorry but this is waffle. Nursing home patients will have no effect on human survival as a species. Neither will Covid it will not be a drop in the ocean . Approximately 165 babies were born here today, and across the world the birth rate exceeds the death rate.

It’s not a numbers game. It’s about keeping everyone safe, healthy, alive. It’s of no fûcking consequence to me about kids being born in x hospital in whatever hospital in whatever city. My goal is to keep my family and friends safe and though my behavior and when I can influence the behaviors of others, not to be going acting the gob****e and breaking the regs, because of loneliness, because of boredom or feeling isolated I don’t care... no excuses.

JRant · 23-04-2020 11:20PM

donaghs wrote: »

Not to dismiss it, but Unemployment and poverty will be a bigger issue than covid lockdown mental health, in the next year.

The next few years more likely. The side effects of this lockdown will be long lasting. Remember, it took a good few years for the economy to recover from the last recession and that was on a part fiscally but nowhere near as bad on the unemployment figures.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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