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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #722
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Why is that? Are you setting up a shebeen in your back garden or something? Because you certainly won`t be getting one in any pub anywhere on the 5th May or any other time in the foreseeable future. Not legally anyway.

    You sound more than thrilled at the prospect too. What a sad person


  • #723
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Yeah we were told May 5th and now Varadkar and Holohan basically said not to expect anything to happen at all on that date.

    There is going to be pushback and it will happen soon.


    If people had followed the restrictions instead of taking the piss probably we would have had a chance, now we are heading for a peak instead of a decrease


  • #724
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    snowcat wrote: »
    If there is not a big change in May a hell of a lot more lives will be lost due to suicide depression etc. Me included because my business will be gone. I am conscious my employees will be in the same situation as me.

    snowcat wrote: »
    Yes my elderly parents have said there is not much point in living if they can not live.

    Hey snowcat, that’s two posts you made that hint at suicide - your own and your parents’ - as a reaction to this situation.

    Please remember there will be an end to this, and there are brighter days ahead. Maybe give the Samaritans a call on 116 123 and talk through your thoughts, or contact them other ways here:

    https://www.samaritans.org/ireland/samaritans-ireland/

    Take care


  • #725
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,320 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Yeah we were told May 5th and now Varadkar and Holohan basically said not to expect anything to happen at all on that date.

    There is going to be pushback and it will happen soon.
    You were never told May 5th as any big benchmark, let alone the end point of restrictions.


  • #726
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    We can put our shoulder to the wheel and remove the stone of lockdown come May5th.

    Off you go then bud. Hope you have a strong shoulder. Do let us know how you get on.


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  • #727
    Podge201
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Podge201


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    If people had followed the restrictions instead of taking the piss probably we would have had a chance, now we are heading for a peak instead of a decrease

    People are being paid to stay at home but you just cant educate stupid people it seems.


  • #728
    NH2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭NH2013


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Why not? You're not being asked to go to war, you are being asked to watch television.

    No, you're being asked not to see you family or significant other or friends, something at the core to us as a species is how we socialise and work together as a society and keeping people apart is totally unnatural.

    Yes, it is be required but it goes against our natural instinct to be sociable, to engage with others, to form and maintain bonds and relationships. This lockdown, while successful in containing the spread within the community, and was certainly required can not go on forever and people need both hope that it will end soon or else they will simply give up on it.

    It is not as simple as just sitting at home and watching TV, it's surpressing our basic instincts to socialise and that's having a major impact on many people, in particular when they're not being given an end in sight.


  • #729
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    If people had followed the restrictions instead of taking the piss probably we would have had a chance, now we are heading for a peak instead of a decrease

    Except that's factually incorrect.


  • #730
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    If people had followed the restrictions instead of taking the piss probably we would have had a chance, now we are heading for a peak instead of a decrease

    That’s quite an assertion on all three counts there . Have you evidence
    That 1. People haven’t followed the lockdown to any great extent?, 2. That the lockdown has played a major role in controlling it and 3. We are heading for an increase after a lockdown we haven’t exited yet?


  • #731
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Off you go then bud. Hope you have a strong shoulder. Do let us know how you get on.

    I wont be alone. Common sense will prevail it always does.


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  • #732
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Podge201 wrote: »
    People are being paid to stay at home but you just cant educate stupid people it seems.

    Not really- they’re borrowing with our money to do that causing untold damage to the economy and society.
    Neither is sustainable without severe cuts to living standards. Moral superiority will be valuable when the cuts to special needs etc kick in a not very long time


  • #733
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    This point makes no sense. The incubation period of the disease has no bearing at all on the lock down measures (it's not actually a "lock down" - bit of an over dramatisation)




    Why not? You're not being asked to go to war, you are being asked to watch television.

    The war thing, are we still listening to that comparison.


  • #734
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    If people had followed the restrictions instead of taking the piss probably we would have had a chance, now we are heading for a peak instead of a decrease

    There is actually very high compliance with the restrictions.


  • #735
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    You were never told May 5th as any big benchmark, let alone the end point of restrictions.

    Yeah sure just keep everyone locked up all summer.


  • #736
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    road_high wrote: »
    You sound more than thrilled at the prospect too. What a sad person

    Nope not thrilled at all. I would normally enjoy a few pints as much as anyone. However I`m just being realistic as to what will happen or rather not happen on 5th May or any date after it in so far as any prospect of pubs reopening is concerned.


  • #737
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    This point makes no sense. The incubation period of the disease has no bearing at all on the lock down measures (it's not actually a "lock down" - bit of an over dramatisation)




    Why not? You're not being asked to go to war, you are being asked to watch television.

    It is a lockdown, people are being denied their freedom of movement and their right to earn an honest living. They can't "legally" travel more than 2km to visit their partners or family. The incubation period has a bearing on lockdown measures. As people have already said, it's not in a lot of people's nature to mindlessly watch tv. I know pensioners that work full-time that can't wait to return to work.


  • #738
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    road_high wrote: »
    That’s quite an assertion on all three counters there . Have you evidence
    That 1. People haven’t followed the lockdown to any great extent?, 2. That the lockdown has played a major role in controlling it and 3. We are heading for an increase after a lockdown we haven’t exited yet?


    easily answered
    1. There are plenty of reports from everywhere of people not following the rules, no need to post pics
    2. Any country that implemented lock down had a decrease, I agree that even with no lock down eventually there is going to be a decline but the risk is to reach an unmanageable level of infections, same as Italy and Spain and the peak of the pandemic. That's still in the cards for us
    3. numbers were declining when the lock-down was taken seriously, unfortunately that's no longer the case and numbers have shown the evidence


  • #739
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    easily answered
    1. There are plenty of reports from everywhere of people not following the rules, no need to post pics
    2. Any country that implemented lock down had a decrease, I agree that even with no lock down eventually there is going to be a decline but the risk is to reach an unmanageable level of infections, same as Italy and Spain and the peak of the pandemic. That's still in the cards for us
    3. numbers were declining when the lock-down was taken seriously, unfortunately that's no longer the case and numbers have shown the evidence

    Can you answer without completely anecdotal statements?


  • #740
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    There is actually very high compliance with the restrictions.


    I havent' seen much of that where a live and I hear the same from a lot of people, even in here. But i agree that most people did follow the rules


  • #741
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Can you answer without completely anecdotal statements?


    You denying that people are not following rules?


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  • #742
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    easily answered
    1. There are plenty of reports from everywhere of people not following the rules, no need to post pics
    2. Any country that implemented lock down had a decrease, I agree that even with no lock down eventually there is going to be a decline but the risk is to reach an unmanageable level of infections, same as Italy and Spain and the peak of the pandemic. That's still in the cards for us
    3. numbers were declining when the lock-down was taken seriously, unfortunately that's no longer the case and numbers have shown the evidence

    You must be on a wind up.


  • #743
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    GazzaL wrote: »
    It is a lockdown, people are being denied their freedom of movement and their right to earn an honest living. They can't "legally" travel more than 2km to visit their partners or family. The incubation period has a bearing on lockdown measures. As people have already said, it's not in a lot of people's nature to mindlessly watch tv. I know pensioners that work full-time that can't wait to return to work.

    It's a figure of speech, not literal about the tv.

    Society faces a moral dilemma, there is no doubt about it.

    And there is no easy answers (and anyone who says they have the answer one way or another is a liar).

    A balance needs to be found between protecting older and vulnerable people and the rest of society.

    As of today with 900+ new cases we are not at that space, so we need to redouble the effort over the next couple of weeks or pay the price. I'd rather the former.


  • #744
    lord quackinton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 352 ✭✭lord quackinton


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Tony Holohan was crystal clear today that if this was the 5th of May nothing could be relaxed. They need a lot more progress.

    It's going to depend on people's behaviour between now and then and to be honest, those who want the restrictions lifted, are doing themselves a disservice every time they encourage people that it's all grand now and you should prepare for some big change in May. (there won't be big change in May in any case incidentally so I don't know where that opinion comes from)

    Because human nature is more and more people will take risks before then in anticipation and this goes on to threaten lives of the most vulnerable.

    It's not a good signal to be giving at this time.

    Tony Holohan is not an elected official and this is not his decision
    Maybe if was doing his job right in the first place we would not have so many deaths in nursing homes


  • #745
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    easily answered
    1. There are plenty of reports from everywhere of people not following the rules, no need to post pics
    2. Any country that implemented lock down had a decrease, I agree that even with no lock down eventually there is going to be a decline but the risk is to reach an unmanageable level of infections, same as Italy and Spain and the peak of the pandemic. That's still in the cards for us
    3. numbers were declining when the lock-down was taken seriously, unfortunately that's no longer the case and numbers have shown the evidence

    Lies, lies, and more lies.

    The number of people in intensive care peaked at 160 and has been declining since.

    We peaked at about 90 hospital admissions per day two weeks ago and hospital admissions have been declining since then.

    Growth of Covid-19 had been stabilised or suppressed.

    Since early April the growth rate of new cases was effectively zero.

    Think I'm full of ****? Well, write a letter to Professor Nolan so:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134432-figures-covid-thursday-23-april/


  • #746
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    niallo27 wrote: »
    You must be on a wind up.


    I'm not


  • #747
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    Tony Holohan is not an elected official and this is not his decision
    Maybe if was doing his job right in the first place we would not have so many deaths in nursing homes

    Exactly! Tony didn't want us to shut the nursing homes in the beginning


  • #748
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    It's a figure of speech, not literal about the tv.

    Society faces a moral dilemma, there is no doubt about it.

    And there is no easy answers (and anyone who says they have the answer one way or another is a liar).

    A balance needs to be found between protecting older and vulnerable people and the rest of society.

    As of today with 900+ new cases we are not at that space, so we need to redouble the effort over the next couple of weeks or pay the price. I'd rather the former.

    How do we redouble our efforts, I cant double the time I stay in my house. Where is the balance now you speak of.


  • #749
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Can you answer without completely anecdotal statements?

    Particularly the last point- poster appears to asserting that because a small minority are are on the move or doing essential work that they are responsible for an increase. This is insane twisting of reality


  • #750
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    GazzaL wrote: »

    Growth of Covid-19 had been stabilised or suppressed.


    And why is that?

    It's not suppressed by the way when you have 936 cases in one day. The highest so far.


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  • #751
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    niallo27 wrote: »
    How do we redouble our efforts, I cant double the time I stay in my house. Where is the balance now you speak of.

    You want to address the balance so that you can go to work, get your hair done, go to the pub etc...

    Because you need all this, that's fine.

    I'll stand by the oldest and most frail in this society who need the rest of the country to do the right thing.

    You come across as selfish and lacking in empathy for the people who need our help the most.

    What the hell is wrong with people? You can't take a few weeks of inconvenience to save lives?

    I don't get that attitude.


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