Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Away With The Fairies · 23-04-2020 03:18PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

No, he was in a nursing home but was doing well. We thought he'd have a few more years.

I was allowed in briefly to see him just before he died but he was very ill and wasn't conscious.

The poor staff are doing everything they can, but they're shocked and traumatised too. I saw one carer slumped over a table crying. The whole thing is just horrific.

I'm so sorry for your loss. It must be tough on the workers in nursing homes as well. The whole thing is awful.

DevilsHaircut · 23-04-2020 03:19PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Thats not necessarily true. Average time from symptoms to death for most patients who experience complications is two weeks, average clinical recovery for mild patients is also two weeks

The stats were for ICU patients (not mild). Many non-resolved cases will have left ICU but still be in hospital.

citytillidie · 23-04-2020 03:19PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hairdressers, beauticians, therapists should by nature just wear a mask, in fact before all this kicked off I saw nail saloons wearing them, why not, dentists too should wear them

I would worry if your Dentist did not wear one before all this

Gregor Samsa · 23-04-2020 03:21PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hairdressers, beauticians, therapists should by nature just wear a mask, in fact before all this kicked off I saw nail saloons wearing them, why not, dentists too should wear them

The idea is that nail technicians have traditionally worn masks due to the noxious chemicals they often use (formalidhinde, etc), although I suspect that some have been using basic paper masks that actually don't filter these dangerous chemicals. Respiratory problems are common in the industry due to chemical exposure. Nail dust is probably a factor too.

speckle · 23-04-2020 03:21PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

No, he was in a nursing home but was doing well. We thought he'd have a few more years.

I was allowed in briefly to see him just before he died but he was very ill and wasn't conscious.

The poor staff are doing everything they can, but they're shocked and traumatised too. I saw one carer slumped over a table crying. The whole thing is just horrific.

It is bittersweet that you got to see your dad before he died. My heart goes out to you.

Duke of Url · 23-04-2020 03:22PM

Until the Government release the results of tracing then Social Distancing will fall through its Arse soon.

wakka12 · 23-04-2020 03:27PM

Its very unlikely there was COVID outbreak in Europe in February that was just mistaken for flu.
Flu activity throughout the continent was relatively for normal most of the winter and even low in many places.
Late January
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Early february
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Week 08/2020 (17–16 February 2020) This was just two weeks before the outbreak. Activity low or moderate throughout the vast majority of the continent including Spain and Belgium. Several countries around Italy reported high levels of flu a couple of weeks before the major outbreak, so maybe COVID was beginning to build in Italy and the regions bordering it, but certainly not in any significant way before mid February.
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Ireland in particular had a very mild flu season. Levels did not even reach 'widespread' levels of transmission like on the continent, but remained at local transmission level throughout the majority of the country. So whatever about the continent, there was absolutely no COVID outbreak in Ireland before March
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe/seasonal-flu-2009-2014-including-h1n1-pandemic-2009-aa/821723-europe-seasonal-influenza-2019-2020-ecdc-who

Away With The Fairies · 23-04-2020 03:27PM

I was doing well for about a week but I'm back to feeling **** again.

BorneTobyWilde · 23-04-2020 03:29PM

citytillidie wrote: »

I would worry if your Dentist did not wear one before all this

Never, not in my world, Dentist, Hygienist, orthodontist , i don't recall them wearing them, unless it was simply something I never noticed due to fact it wasn't an obsession back then.

Away With The Fairies · 23-04-2020 03:31PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Never, not in my world, Dentist, Hygienist, orthodontist , i don't recall them wearing them, unless it was simply something I never noticed due to fact it wasn't an obsession back then.

They definitely wore masks. Loads of small particles when they do their scaling, they can't be breathing that in.

Sconsey · 23-04-2020 03:33PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Angela Merkel saying it's just the beginning ... that's right, Germany has passed the peak but it;s just the beginning.
I swear some politicians are just loving the panic and misery

Let's see...the crap hit the fan in Germany in Feb/March....we currently don't have any effective theraputics, a vaccine is probably at least nine months away probably more like twelve to fiveteen months.

So Germany is about a month and half into what will be at least another nine more months of Covid exposure (barring some miracle theraputic). One and a half months into a nine month cycle is fairly much still the beginning.

No I'd say she is just being realistic.

JP Liz V1 · 23-04-2020 03:33PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Zero evidence whatsoever and I refer you to your earlier post which confirms for New York at least the knew it was the flu because they tested for it. Also, Covid-19 Symptoms are specific and unlike what is being related by many here

The symptoms are changing and varying in some while others show no symptoms

citytillidie · 23-04-2020 03:38PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Never, not in my world, Dentist, Hygienist, orthodontist , i don't recall them wearing them, unless it was simply something I never noticed due to fact it wasn't an obsession back then.

I would be in the look out for a new dentist then

eagle eye · 23-04-2020 03:40PM

JP Liz V1 wrote:

The symptoms are changing and varying in some while others show no symptoms

And now we are being told that asymptomatics are getting strokes.

HildaOgdenx · 23-04-2020 03:42PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

I lost my dad to this **** of a virus. He had no symptoms until he suddenly got severely ill.

It makes me sick hearing people whinging about the lockdown because they can't go out to a pub or a restaurant. Seeing large numbers of people out and about and not remotely bothered about social distancing. Some people won't get it til it takes one of their own.

I'm so sorry for your loss. May he rest in peace.

23-04-2020 03:44PM

So which came first the stroke or the virus... was the stroke on the cards anyway and they picked up the virus as per others.. now all of a sudden a group of people with strokes are getting them BECAUSE they have been tested??
if that's the case you have an undiagnosed underlying issue

timmy_mallet · 23-04-2020 03:46PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Everyone needs a vaccine not just the most vulnerable groups. I`m not sure why you think one would be less effective for older people.

Point of order:

Vaccine is not immunity.
You can become immune through infection and recovery.

spookwoman · 23-04-2020 03:48PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Let's see...the crap hit the fan in Germany in Feb/March....we currently don't have any effective theraputics, a vaccine is probably at least nine months away probably more like twelve to fiveteen months.

So Germany is about a month and half into what will be at least another nine more months of Covid exposure (barring some miracle theraputic). One and a half months into a nine month cycle is fairly much still the beginning.

No I'd say she is just being realistic.

She is also a scientist and see's things alot clearer than most politicians

bekker · 23-04-2020 03:48PM

Posted yesterday regarding inaccuracies in the gov.ie release for 22nd Apr.

Their response has NOT been to correct the figures for the geographical distribution of deaths, they simply deleted that section from their webpage.

With their usual breathtaking incompetence they left in the following section which still shows the Tuesday 21st figures for males v females.

This raises the suspicion that the figures for 22nd Apr. are screwed up as it would have been so easy to just put in the corrected figures for both sections.

6034073

26 + 18 <> 49

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/#the-latest-news-as-of-6pm-on-wednesday-22-april-2020

eagle eye · 23-04-2020 03:53PM

timmy_mallet wrote:

You can become immune through infection and recovery.

Have you definitive proof of this? You did hear the claims that people got infected again?

Hector Savage · 23-04-2020 03:59PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I hit space bar in word ''Therapists ''

https://youtu.be/whYyJuxpgWc?t=301

DevilsHaircut · 23-04-2020 04:03PM

The Irish Blood Transfusion Service is starting work on convalescent plasma therapy! Using antibodies from recovered patients to treat the very ill.

https://twitter.com/Cormac_Sheridan/status/1253336094134816771

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1247538182066864130

Away With The Fairies · 23-04-2020 04:05PM

Brycen Round Symbol wrote: »

I agree, I think it's definitely a strong possibility but a lot of people don't want to hear that or even entertain the idea.

I do think in my case that part of it is wishful thinking, its already been around for longer/we've already had it and got through it etc etc.

There was a thread on boards back in December around the time of the big flu outbreak that makes for interesting reading:

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058041781

Well that was an interesting read. Certainly sounds like it was around alot longer.

timmy_mallet · 23-04-2020 04:09PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Have you definitive proof of this? You did hear the claims that people got infected again?

I heard those 'claims', which also have no definitive proof. I've also heard a description of why that might occur and more likely to be a false negative test, with the host not recovering fully but suppressing the virus.

hmmm · 23-04-2020 04:09PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The Irish Blood Transfusion Service is starting work on convalescent plasma therapy! Using antibodies from recovered patients to treat the very ill.

Great news, best of luck to everyone involved.

is_that_so · 23-04-2020 04:09PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Have you definitive proof of this? You did hear the claims that people got infected again?

There's very little definitive proof of anything even reinfection at this stage.

23-04-2020 04:10PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Well that was an interesting read. Certainly sounds like it was around alot longer.

if so many people were impacted , why are people only dying now after spreading around the world n a clear and traceable manner

Ash3070 · 23-04-2020 04:10PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

She is probably referring to blood tests.

Patients have blood samples taken before their dialysis starts to check their kidney function, among other things. A blood sample is also taken post dialysis to check their that their dialysis was effective.

The turnaround time would be around an hour.

Ah, I see. That makes more sense. Thanks for the explanation

tromtipp · 23-04-2020 04:11PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Its very unlikely there was COVID outbreak in Europe in February that was just mistaken for flu.
Flu activity throughout the continent was relatively for normal most of the winter and even low in many places.
Late January

Early february

Week 08/2020 (17–16 February 2020) This was just two weeks before the outbreak. Activity low or moderate throughout the vast majority of the continent including Spain and Belgium. Several countries around Italy reported high levels of flu a couple of weeks before the major outbreak, so maybe COVID was beginning to build in Italy and the regions bordering it, but certainly not in any significant way before mid February.

Ireland in particular had a very mild flu season. Levels did not even reach 'widespread' levels of transmission like on the continent, but remained at local transmission level throughout the majority of the country. So whatever about the continent, there was absolutely no COVID outbreak in Ireland before March
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe/seasonal-flu-2009-2014-including-h1n1-pandemic-2009-aa/821723-europe-seasonal-influenza-2019-2020-ecdc-who

It is interesting though that despite there being low levels of (tested, verified) Influenza, some hospitals were at their most crowded ever this winter. https://www.thejournal.ie/uhl-visiting-ban-flu-4954883-Jan2020/ http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=26998 . There was something sending excess numbers into hospital in January, and local anecdote in the mid-west said it was respiratory infections - there were lots of dark jokes shading into open speculation about the 'Chinese flu'.

eagle eye · 23-04-2020 04:12PM

timmy_mallet wrote:

I heard those 'claims', which also have no definitive proof. I've also heard a description of why that might occur and more likely to be a false negative test, with the host not recovering fully but suppressing the virus.

So.you have no definitive proof?

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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