Tell us about your new improved government regulations compliant cycle part II

magicbastarder · 19-04-2020 08:12PM

random fact - i think - if you walk up old ballymun road from the met building, there's an old house, recently renovated, on the right about 200m up the road. that was the original location of merville dairies, and became the home of the craigie family, the owners.

blackwhite · 20-04-2020 09:21AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

just went for a half hour spin around glasnevin and drumcondra and back up towards finglas. beautiful evening, and the roads were nice and quiet.

passed this green area near finglas, it has a curious sunken aspect, divided in two. am curious as to whether there's any rationale.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3854832,-6.2880098,3a,75y,250.64h,80.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snzwA7kJa0rRiScCLxKACZw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I know in other places where similar was done, the idea was to have a flat playing surface for kids etc, instead of having a single area with a gentle incline.

No idea if that's what was going on here or not though

StefanFal · 20-04-2020 11:05AM

Cracking morning here. Gonna finish up work at 1 and get my first 100km in this year.

magicbastarder · 20-04-2020 11:10AM

where are you based?

silverharp · 20-04-2020 11:27AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

where are you based?

an Irish guy in Sweden going by his posts

rushfan · 20-04-2020 08:03PM

So, yesterday I did 55km, almost 6 laps of the town, all within 2km of the house. Wasn't as boring as I thought it would be, the lack of traffic was a big help though. Tonight was a 29km cycle into work.

Garzard · 21-04-2020 04:57PM

This is long winded so apologies! Hope it's the right thread for it. Was on my way into work this morning and cycling down the Firhouse Road after crossing the M50 bridge (area was mostly empty of traffic) going around 40kph in the bus lane and got pulled alongside by a squad car - Garda on the passenger side called over at me to remove myself from the bus lane and get into the cycle lane atop the kerb.

Anyone familiar with this cycle lane will know it involves a series of pretty rough bumps after coming down off the bridge, and there's at least one bus stop along the way where buses have to cut across the lane to take on passengers, and the kerbed sections of the lane are bad lately with increased numbers walkers, joggers etc. using them. While I use the bus lane for a few moments to avoid the raised sections for the above reasons, I always return back to the cycling lane where the kerbs end.

I tried pointing out to him also that several joggers plus parents and kids were in the cycling lane further back and even had one person jogging the wrong way up the cycle lane on the Ballycullen Road a few minutes previously who didn't move out of the way. The Garda wasn't having any of it though so felt I had no choice but to comply. Had to stop, dismount and pull the bike onto the kerb - they slowed nearly to a halt up ahead of me, apparently to keep an eye on me and make sure I did.

Not sure whether or not I'm right to feel annoyed. I wish I'd have been more assertive but when put on the spot like that especially by a Garda, it can be hard to argue your case.

magicbastarder · 21-04-2020 05:02PM

the bus lane is explicitly a cycle lane and bus lane there - the off-road cycle lane is provided in addition to the one in the bus lane.
you were already in a cycle lane, the garda was talking ****.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.2877607,-6.3270006,3a,75y,67.2h,85.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEIK73W1IsrPvcH8NP1udiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

ED E · 21-04-2020 05:42PM

Garzard wrote: »

This is long winded so apologies! Hope it's the right thread for it. Was on my way into work this morning and cycling down the Firhouse Road after crossing the M50 bridge (area was mostly empty of traffic) going around 40kph in the bus lane and got pulled alongside by a squad car - Garda on the passenger side called over at me to remove myself from the bus lane and get into the cycle lane atop the kerb.

Anyone familiar with this cycle lane will know it involves a series of pretty rough bumps after coming down off the bridge, and there's at least one bus stop along the way where buses have to cut across the lane to take on passengers, and the kerbed sections of the lane are bad lately with increased numbers walkers, joggers etc. using them. While I use the bus lane for a few moments to avoid the raised sections for the above reasons, I always return back to the cycling lane where the kerbs end.

I tried pointing out to him also that several joggers plus parents and kids were in the cycling lane further back and even had one person jogging the wrong way up the cycle lane on the Ballycullen Road a few minutes previously who didn't move out of the way. The Garda wasn't having any of it though so felt I had no choice but to comply. Had to stop, dismount and pull the bike onto the kerb - they slowed nearly to a halt up ahead of me, apparently to keep an eye on me and make sure I did.

Not sure whether or not I'm right to feel annoyed. I wish I'd have been more assertive but when put on the spot like that especially by a Garda, it can be hard to argue your case.

Gard is a bollix.

1. There's twitter video of a Dublin Bus nearly killing a cyclist there, around last year.
2. The GAA pitches write it off half the time as its full of kids and parents, much safer on the road
3. Its a roller coaster
4. The roads are empty so what difference does it make?
5. You're entitled to be there.

My answer would be when Gardai get off their arse and enforce the cycle lanes I'll consider using them, maybe in politer terms.

Garzard · 21-04-2020 07:06PM

Exactly as I thought. Have never had this before, and ironically it was a Traffic Corps vehicle.

21-04-2020 07:25PM

I think I'd have been getting a lift from them in that situation

You're perfectly entitled to use a bus lane for cycling as far as I understood or recall the RTA (tired and can't be bothered to look it up ) and even the road even when a cycling lane is provided. Maybe the Garda misunderstands what a mandatory cycling lane is or something?

Tenzor07 · 22-04-2020 02:43PM

Cycling home from work today through a North Dublin village, I had filtered through a small number of cars so I could make a right turn, old boy in his maybe late 50/60's in a dark navy 08 Corolla had his window open as I passed him, didn't notice anything else, so I positioned myself in the box for turning right, as the old boy in the Corolla passes me he sneezed (at me?)

Now I shouted at him, almost pursued him also and there's a Garda station close by...

I wasn't sure if I should have went to the station and reported it or not...

Are we as cyclists going to see things like this occuring more frequently on the roads? When we are cycling that someone pulls up beside you and sneezes? :eek:

MojoMaker · 22-04-2020 06:05PM

Garzard wrote: »

This is long winded so apologies! Hope it's the right thread for it. Was on my way into work this morning and cycling down the Firhouse Road after crossing the M50 bridge (area was mostly empty of traffic) going around 40kph in the bus lane and got pulled alongside by a squad car - Garda on the passenger side called over at me to remove myself from the bus lane and get into the cycle lane atop the kerb.

Anyone familiar with this cycle lane will know it involves a series of pretty rough bumps after coming down off the bridge, and there's at least one bus stop along the way where buses have to cut across the lane to take on passengers, and the kerbed sections of the lane are bad lately with increased numbers walkers, joggers etc. using them. While I use the bus lane for a few moments to avoid the raised sections for the above reasons, I always return back to the cycling lane where the kerbs end.

I tried pointing out to him also that several joggers plus parents and kids were in the cycling lane further back and even had one person jogging the wrong way up the cycle lane on the Ballycullen Road a few minutes previously who didn't move out of the way. The Garda wasn't having any of it though so felt I had no choice but to comply. Had to stop, dismount and pull the bike onto the kerb - they slowed nearly to a halt up ahead of me, apparently to keep an eye on me and make sure I did.

Not sure whether or not I'm right to feel annoyed. I wish I'd have been more assertive but when put on the spot like that especially by a Garda, it can be hard to argue your case.

Very aggravating alright. It's worth learning off the following road traffic act amendment from August 2018 should you meet these guards again, or others with the same out of date information.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/321/made/en/print

Statutory Instrument No. 321 / 2018 is the key reference number for you to quote to whomever needs it.

Easy one to remember, especially for anyone who remembers the old BBC (ITV?) game show with "Dusty Bin" :pac:

Eamonnator · 22-04-2020 06:18PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Cycling home from work today through a North Dublin village, I had filtered through a small number of cars so I could make a right turn, old boy in his maybe late 50/60's in a dark navy 08 Corolla had his window open as I passed him, didn't notice anything else, so I positioned myself in the box for turning right, as the old boy in the Corolla passes me he sneezed (at me?)

Now I shouted at him, almost pursued him also and there's a Garda station close by...

I wasn't sure if I should have went to the station and reported it or not...

Are we as cyclists going to see things like this occuring more frequently on the roads? When we are cycling that someone pulls up beside you and sneezes? :eek:

Given his advanced years, maybe all his faculties aren't intact.
Make allowances for old age.

Tenzor07 · 22-04-2020 08:39PM

Eamonnator wrote: »

Given his advanced years, maybe all his faculties aren't intact.
Make allowances for old age.

Not so old as to not know what he was doing..

It was the timing of it as he passed me which made me think it was deliberate.

I will certainly be more conscious of close passing cars/vans now in case of malicious sneezers.

Mc Love · 23-04-2020 10:44AM

On my cycle this morning, there was a guy walking towards me on the footpath and he walked into the driveway of a house and stood there about 3 meters from me as I passed and then continued on their way. Surely he should have waited for my trail of germs to follow me before continuing. Just found it slight amusing.

68 lost souls · 23-04-2020 11:36AM

MojoMaker wrote: »

Very aggravating alright. It's worth learning off the following road traffic act amendment from August 2018 should you meet these guards again, or others with the same out of date information.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/321/made/en/print

Statutory Instrument No. 321 / 2018 is the key reference number for you to quote to whomever needs it.

Easy one to remember, especially for anyone who remembers the old BBC (ITV?) game show with "Dusty Bin" :pac:

I cant make head nor tails of that. It sounds like its saying you have to use the bike lane? I tought they removed the need to cycle on a bike lane?

I know that stretch of road well and use the bike lane when I can but its a pain in around there. Some really poorly designed lanes.

magicbastarder · 23-04-2020 11:43AM

68 lost souls wrote: »

I cant make head nor tails of that. It sounds like its saying you have to use the bike lane? I tought they removed the need to cycle on a bike lane?

it's the inclusion of the
'a pedal cycle shall be driven on a cycle track that is on (insert list) at the entrance to which traffic sign number RUS 021 (pedestrianised street or area) is provided.'
which is key (my emphasis, and i frequently don't know what i'm talking about).

ditto for the contra flow - this is stipulating that bikes must use cycling infrastructure provided in pedestrianised areas, or contra flow cycle lanes.

to yer average garda, this won't be proof that you're allowed *not* to use cycling infrastructure in other circumstances.

68 lost souls · 23-04-2020 11:50AM

Ok sorry so its saying the only time that you have to use the bike lane is when there is specifically sine RUS 021 (red circle with empty white inside showing pedestrianisedzone) there?

Seth Brundle · 23-04-2020 11:53AM

Looking at the sign (RUS 028) on the road using the maps link provided, bicycles are allowed use this bus lane under paragraph 32 of SI332/2012...

Bus Lanes

32. (1)(a) A bus lane shall be indicated by means of traffic sign number RUS 028 or traffic sign number RUS 029 used in association with traffic sign number RRM 024.

(b) A contra-flow bus lane shall be indicated by means of traffic sign number RUS 030 used in association with traffic sign number RRM 024.

(2) A person shall not enter a bus lane with a vehicle other than a large public service vehicle or a pedal cycle during the period of operation of the bus lane indicated on an information plate.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/332/made/en/print

This sign is still valid as per Ch5 of the Traffic Signs Manual - https://assets.gov.ie/34716/1b6d65651bba484ab67f803f3de694bb.pdf

The garda was in the wrong!

magicbastarder · 23-04-2020 12:00PM

68 lost souls wrote: »

Ok sorry so its saying the only time that you have to use the bike lane is when there is specifically sine RUS 021 (red circle with empty white inside showing pedestrianisedzone) there?

i'm not sure it is - it's saying you must use them in those specific circumstances, but is itself silent on other circumstances.

this is one of the problems of road traffic law, it desperately needs consolidation. it's like layers in an onion, where incremental changes are pasted on year after year, so you've to read the above one to know the enforced use applies in one situation, but dive deeper if you want to learn if enforced use does not apply in different situations.

i think.

68 lost souls · 23-04-2020 12:17PM

Yeah the fact is the bus lane sign has a bike on it so it’s a bus and bike lane

Mc Love · 23-04-2020 12:22PM

68 lost souls wrote: »

Yeah the fact is the bus lane sign has a bike on it so it’s a bus and bike lane

Had to explain that to a taxi driver once :eek:

Garzard · 23-04-2020 05:24PM

Thanks for the replies and clarification all. Definitely worth keeping that piece of legislation handy in case it happens again.

Cursing myself more for not having the cycle cam on me when it happened, as I'd be in a good mind to send it in with a complaint. Time and again these kind of things come up as good reminders to keep each cycle recorded.

dohouch · 25-04-2020 01:04PM

I X Rocky,
2 X Yoyo
1 X Long John
1X Smoothie
( these are all mini-climbs, with my pet names, and all within 2 Km radius )

I'm doing more and longer ,who knew when this war started that I'd end up climbing the walls for fun.

Seth Brundle · 25-04-2020 03:44PM

I've noticed over the last few days more and more drivers will overtake me only to stop almost immediately to turn right.
Is it the good weather or what?

SB2007 · 25-04-2020 03:59PM

Anyone noticed the amount of people just walking across the road without looking when youre on a bike over the last few weeks . Seems a lot of air heads in daisy dreamland about .

fryup · 26-04-2020 10:13AM

^^^^^^^^^^

in-ear wireless headphones?

magicbastarder · 26-04-2020 11:13AM

Have had one instance of it in about 100km of suburban cycling over the last week or two.

triggermortis · 26-04-2020 02:37PM

Most of my riding the last few weeks has been on country roads - no footpath - and the number of people who have no idea of how to walk on these roads has been staggering. 50% walk on the wrong side. Some are in groups spread right across the road. There's 2 women I meet regularly who walk on opposite sides of the road, and then every time they see me, there is a confused swapping sides/dance-like thing they do where one of them is now always in the way. Now whenever I meet them on the road, I try and vary my route to miss them on the next loop.
Today I saw maybe 8 or 9 cyclists but when I looked at the fly-bys on strava, there were dozens so a lot of walkers are logging their walks now

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