Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Doctors room ghost · 23-04-2020 09:59AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

I wasn't, seeing as you ask, but I think I will give it a lash over the weekend.

You’re better waiting til then.The ones queuing yesterday will have moved onto another fad by the weekend and the novelty gone off them so you’ll have the place to yourself.

hmmm · 23-04-2020 09:59AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

There’s 70 year olds locked up a month through no fault of their own and they suffering on account of it struggling to get in basic supplies and not a one to even talk to.

And it's tragic for them, and for the under-70s with conditions who are in the same position, but you're going to have to get used to a world increasingly going back to "normal" around you while these groups remain protected/isolated and until a vaccine is found.

What the cocooning groups need is a vaccine, and they need wide uptake of the vaccine to be protected. We will probably find that a vaccine isn't particularly effective for older people, and we will need herd immunity to protect them. It would be helpful if those groups could start talking to their idiot children who are anti-vaxxers, and start convincing them now to change their views.

Cork Boy 53 · 23-04-2020 10:02AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

You,me and the dogs on the street know that sitting in a 2 hour queue for a bag of chips isn’t an essential journey.yeah they could claim the oven broke if challenged but at the end of the day they are fcukin idiots,doing what fcukin idiots do.
There’s 70 year olds locked up a month through no fault of their own and they suffering on account of it struggling to get in basic supplies and not a one to even talk to.

I know quite a few people in the age group that are being cocooned and, while a few of them are not happy about being confined to their own property, they are certainly not struggling with basic supplies. There are family members, neighbours, local GAA clubs, community groups even the local postman who are all helping out in making sure that nobody is going short of anything they need.

JoeA3 · 23-04-2020 10:03AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

You’re better waiting til then.The ones queuing yesterday will have moved onto another fad by the weekend and the novelty gone off them so you’ll have the place to yourself.

Now you have it.

Doctors room ghost · 23-04-2020 10:04AM

hmmm wrote: »

And it's tragic for them, and for the under-70s with conditions who are in the same position, but you're going to have to get used to a world increasingly going back to "normal" around you while these groups remain protected/isolated and until a vaccine is found.

What the cocooning groups need is a vaccine, and they need wide uptake of the vaccine to be protected. We will probably find that a vaccine isn't particularly effective for older people, and we will need herd immunity to protect them. It would be helpful if those groups could start talking to their idiot children who are anti-vaxxers, and start convincing them now to change their views.

There’s nothing normal about sitting in a car for 2 hours waiting for a takeaway.youd think they hadn’t eaten in the month

Cork Boy 53 · 23-04-2020 10:06AM

hmmm wrote: »

And it's tragic for them, and for the under-70s with conditions who are in the same position, but you're going to have to get used to a world increasingly going back to "normal" around you while these groups remain protected/isolated and until a vaccine is found.

What the cocooning groups need is a vaccine, and they need wide uptake of the vaccine to be protected. We will probably find that a vaccine isn't particularly effective for older people, and we will need herd immunity to protect them. It would be helpful if those groups could start talking to their idiot children who are anti-vaxxers, and start convincing them now to change their views.

Everyone needs a vaccine not just the most vulnerable groups. I`m not sure why you think one would be less effective for older people.

BanditLuke · 23-04-2020 10:07AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Looks like we are being primed for more death and debt. Makes no sense to prolong semi lockdown. We should go full Chinese lockdown or just take our chances. Everyone where I live is not adhering to it. They may convince themselves that they are but they are not.

If they had of had the balls to lockdown ports airports etc early on we'd be through this already. They would have got lashback early on but then we would have felt great national pride like coming third in the Olympics. Look at Australia New Zealand now.

Sorry if already shared. Sums up how most feel.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1252997253079449601?s=20

I laugh out loud when i hear some of the yokes moaning about the "lockdown" we are in now. Imagine these people in a real emergency.

Worztron · 23-04-2020 10:07AM

PixieValentine wrote: »

I actually can tell you that one, cause I saw someone asking a reporter about this weeks ago! It's closed, yeah. No special allowances on that one this time at least.

Hi PV. That's good to hear.

caveat emptor · 23-04-2020 10:08AM

doylefe wrote: »

Lockdowners are insufferable. Some people have no jobs because of this and have nothing to do other than look a telly.

So what if they drive somewhere, stay in their car and receive a bag of food through the window.

People are allowed to shop for AND collect take out food. Try understand the restrictions before you try to chastise people for breaking them.

Lockdown deniers are also insufferable. It's a cordon sanitaire. It's Not semi cordon sanitaire and just pop out for supremacs. Reason it's done is it works.

We are not the first to experience such hardship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_sanitaire

In May 1666, the English village of Eyam famously imposed a cordon sanitaire on itself after an outbreak of the bubonic plague in the community. During the next 14 months almost eighty percent of the inhabitants died.[10] A perimeter of stones was laid out surrounding the village and no one passed the boundary in either direction until November 1667, when the pestilence had run its course. Neighbouring communities provided food for Eyam, leaving supplies in designated locations along the boundary cordon and receiving payment in coins "disinfected" by running water or vinegar.

hmmm · 23-04-2020 10:10AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Everyone needs a vaccine not just the most vulnerable groups. I`m not sure why you think one would be less effective for older people.

Vaccines frequently don't work as effectively for older people, they have a lower immune response. What compensates is by making sure everyone else takes the vaccine, so that the herd immunity means that people are protected - even if the vaccine hasn't worked. There's also a fairly large group of people who can't take a vaccine for medical reasons, and they too rely on the rest of us doing our bit.

podgeandrodge · 23-04-2020 10:11AM

On my daily walk yesterday evening, I noticed, in every increasing numbers, groups of people out walking together that would clearly not have been family members.

Biggest contingent is groups of teenage girls, with zero social distancing. Made me think of when I bumped into a friend while out for a walk last week and we talked while staying a couple of metres apart. These wans have no such concerns at all.

It doesn't get me frantic per se, but these people are mixing with each other, and then going back to their respective homes and ultimately, I am guessing, increasing the risk of transmission far more than if they stayed in family groups of 2 people only as per guidelines.

And gardaí were very visible 'on the beat' last week, not so now. It's a little like people have decided the worst is over.

Fuascailteoir · 23-04-2020 10:17AM

seamus wrote: »

20% of our country's food intake comes from takeaways.

Yes, that's a problem, but not one we can fix in the middle of a pandemic.

The impact of just removing 20% of our food source overnight would have major and dramatic knock-on effects across the entire food supply.

Every restriction has to be balanced against the wider impact that such a restriction would cause.

Is it 20%? That is horrific, no wonder we are a nation of expanding waist lines. Be no harm if all fast food outlets went to the wall

Hrududu · 23-04-2020 10:17AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

There’s nothing normal about sitting in a car for 2 hours waiting for a takeaway.youd think they hadn’t eaten in the month

That's great. Not sure why anyone cares. Nobody's spreading infections sitting in their cars waiting.

Gynoid · 23-04-2020 10:18AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sorry if already shared. Sums up how most feel.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1252997253079449601?s=20

He is right but fecken hell he made me feel sympathetic coronary sensations!!

Ulysses Gaze · 23-04-2020 10:19AM

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Is it 20%? That is horrific, no wonder we are a nation of expanding waist lines. Be no harm if all fast food outlets went to the wall

You could make that public health argument with pubs too, and does anyone really want to see them all go to the wall?

JP Liz V1 · 23-04-2020 10:25AM

Longing wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1253235154132381696

From China again?

retro:electro · 23-04-2020 10:25AM

I was (distantly) chatting to someone while out for a walk earlier and she was telling me that a guy her husband works with went to Cheltenham and came home really unwell, was extremely sick and was hospitalised with Covid but has since recovered. The Grand uncle he stayed in the with in the UK also became unwell a few days later and has since died from Covid 19.

kg703 · 23-04-2020 10:32AM

retro:electro wrote: »

I was (distantly) chatting to someone while out for a walk earlier and she was telling me that a guy her husband works with went to Cheltenham and came home really unwell, was extremely sick and was hospitalised with Covid but has since recovered. The Grand uncle he stayed in the with in the UK also became unwell a few days later and has since died from Covid 19.

A lot of my colleagues were there. I was supposed to be! Nearly all of them came back sick. It was definitely about. It's six weeks since so you'd expect the worst of it is done with and hope the rest didnt spread it much.

polesheep · 23-04-2020 10:38AM

seamus wrote: »

I do get this, but we also have to consider that what someone says is less important than what they do.

If this was the UK or the US and he said that, then it's just extra evidence that those at the centre of this are incompetent fools.

But this has been exceptionally well handled by our government. Harris hasn't been a bumbling idiot, the welfare of people have been put first and foremost above everything else, Harris has played a blinder in this crisis. Which is why he gets a "free pass" for making this mistake.

If anything, it makes the mistake more perplexing because it doesn't fit. I'm willing to accept that it was a throwaway mistake made by a man under more work pressure than most of us will ever know, I'm just a bit puzzled as to how he made it in the first place. But I'm not going to demand answers. There are more important things for him to have to spend his time on right now.

And how many of those things will he get wrong, in the same way that he got it wrong on the term Covid-19? And just because someone is doing something in a way that you agree with, doesn't mean that they are doing it right.

Roger_007 · 23-04-2020 10:41AM

hmmm wrote: »

And it's tragic for them, and for the under-70s with conditions who are in the same position, but you're going to have to get used to a world increasingly going back to "normal" around you while these groups remain protected/isolated and until a vaccine is found.

What the cocooning groups need is a vaccine, and they need wide uptake of the vaccine to be protected. We will probably find that a vaccine isn't particularly effective for older people, and we will need herd immunity to protect them. It would be helpful if those groups could start talking to their idiot children who are anti-vaxxers, and start convincing them now to change their views.

There seems to be an assumption that an effective vaccine will be found. There is no guarantee of that. The track record for vaccines for corona viruses is not good. The optimistic noises coming from the Oxford group that a vaccine could be available by September sound more like wishful thinking than anything else. There is a lot of political ‘managing of expectations’ going on here.
The best hope is that some anti-viral or other drug can be used to treat the more serious cases.

caveat emptor · 23-04-2020 10:44AM

seamus wrote: »

20% of our country's food intake comes from takeaways.

Yes, that's a problem, but not one we can fix in the middle of a pandemic.

The impact of just removing 20% of our food source overnight would have major and dramatic knock-on effects across the entire food supply.

Every restriction has to be balanced against the wider impact that such a restriction would cause.

Yeah but these people are putting an even greater burden on the system during this crisis. They should forgo obesity inducing foods until this crisis has abated. It's pure selfishness at this time.

https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1251023936818688004?s=20

hmmm · 23-04-2020 10:44AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

The best hope is that some anti-viral or other drug can be used to treat the more serious cases.

The longer-term "best hope" is still a vaccine, and with over 80 candidate vaccines we should be reasonably optimistic. Initial results from the first Chinese vaccine were published this week and are encouraging.

The short-term best hope is for an anti-viral.

bennyl10 · 23-04-2020 10:45AM

polesheep wrote: »

And how many of those things will he get wrong, in the same way that he got it wrong on the term Covid-19? And just because someone is doing something in a way that you agree with, doesn't mean that they are doing it right.

Well he’s following health advice in terms of government advice on restrictions.

And we have plenty evidence that this is working

The man misspoke on a radio show, that’s the extent of it. And it’s an absolute non story.

The story is the declining graphs, the mass testing of at risk groyps that we’re currently doing. The evidence that the measure are working.

This talk that our heath minister said something wrong so therefore all the measures are wrong is flawed, being spouted by gob****es on social media and if People take heed of that rubbish we’ll be seeing what a lockdown really means sooner rather than later

Ce he sin · 23-04-2020 10:46AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Everyone needs a vaccine not just the most vulnerable groups. I`m not sure why you think one would be less effective for older people.

Unfortunately the same issue that makes older people more vulnerable, a less effective immune response, makes them less able to benefit from a vaccine. We've had flu vaccines for years but the flu still kills 300+ each year.

seamus · 23-04-2020 10:46AM

polesheep wrote: »

And just because someone is doing something in a way that you agree with, doesn't mean that they are doing it right.

Just because someone is doing something in a way you disagree with, doesn't mean they're doing it wrong.

Can you elaborate on what mistakes have been made here that are unacceptable?

As far as I can see, all of the criticism of Harris online - including yours - is about what he's done before this crisis. Any criticism of his handling of this crisis is all looney stuff about closing the airports in January, or stockpiling reagent in December.

Can you elaborate on the major things that he has done wrong in this crisis, that lead you to believe he is not the person to be MoH at this time?

Wombatman · 23-04-2020 10:46AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I told you I'm not a medical expert or scientist.

So glad you set the record straight for all on here who are under the false belief that you are.

Duly noted.

irishlad. · 23-04-2020 10:53AM

There's been a steady increase in the morning figures coming from Spain, which is already higher than yesterday's full total.

Its disappointing to see, but it just shows that May 5th will not be the light at the end of the tunnel, that some in this country are waiting for.

polesheep · 23-04-2020 10:53AM

seamus wrote: »

Just because someone is doing something in a way you disagree with, doesn't mean they're doing it wrong.

Can you elaborate on what mistakes have been made here that are unacceptable?

As far as I can see, all of the criticism of Harris online - including yours - is about what he's done before this crisis. Any criticism of his handling of this crisis is all looney stuff about closing the airports in January, or stockpiling reagent in December.

Can you elaborate on the major things that he has done wrong in this crisis, that lead you to believe he is not the person to be MoH at this time?

Don't include me in that bit in bold.

I don't believe that he suddenly became a good and competent minister with the arrival of Covid-19.

As for doing things differently, I have always believed that the focus should have been on the vulnerable rather than a general lockdown. And let's not forget the nursing homes and the failure to protect them.

yourdeadwright · 23-04-2020 10:56AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

As of tonight, of any country with over 1,000 confirmed cases of Coronavirus we are:

5th highest in the world of confirmed cases per capita of a million people.

9th highest in the world of deaths per capita of a million people.

You can dress up those figures anyway you like but it doesn't paint a pretty picture for Leo, Simon and Tony.

None of the above matter without in dept analysis,

For instance 5 5th highest confirmed cases , other countries could be way way worse but not have tested as much ,

9th highest deaths , it depends on how country are reporting deaths and what they qualify as a Corna death ,

Example you test positive but are asymptomatic but die form something else , Is that a corna death ?

polesheep · 23-04-2020 10:57AM

hmmm wrote: »

The longer-term "best hope" is still a vaccine, and with over 80 candidate vaccines we should be reasonably optimistic. Initial results from the first Chinese vaccine were published this week and are encouraging.

The short-term best hope is for an anti-viral.

It's a common mistake to think that eighty candidate vaccines means eighty avenues of exploration. It doesn't. Many of the labs will be going down the same avenue. A vaccine would be wonderful, but we cannot rely on getting one.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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