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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #2552
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    what is Covid19?


    You're in the 16th Covid19 thread so I'm guessing you know already?


  • #2553
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That's unlikely to be true as only a very tiny number of actual accounts post. Can you give even one "good" idea? Trending doesn't count as it's largely a whole load of people frothing at the mouth for a day.

    All these things were way ahead on here.
    • pubs closing even when some on here were going to the pub despite the obvious risk
    • parade cancelled
    • schools closing
    • financial help for businesses people
    • masks


  • #2554
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1253232672345817088?s=19

    Perhaps explains some of yesterdays increase in cases ? And a good thing that everyone in nursing homes and long term care settings is finally being tested


  • #2555
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Seems the queue is your real issue. That bag of excrement buys €40m in Irish food, annually.



    My issue is that people have been told to stay home for the past Month unless it was for work or an essential journey,but the second supermacs opens, johnny big belly and his equally idiotic comrades form a 2 hour queue. The same people are the ones who claim to be flat out and killed with the busy on a normal day the wafflers.
    It’s frustrating for people forced to cocoon through age and johnny big belly queuing for a bag of chips.


  • #2556
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Achasanai wrote: »
    You're in the 16th Covid19 thread so I'm guessing you know already?

    Fair enough so


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  • #2557
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    silverharp wrote: »
    reflects humanity, best and worst. but it has sped up good ideas being able to get traction

    And a Hell of a lot of bad ones.


  • #2558
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Gynoid wrote: »
    I can read it even though I have no account....


    A confidential Government memo has warned the next phase of the coronavirus crisis has the potential to be “far more divisive” as the full implications of the pandemic sink in with the public.

    The note comes as the Taoiseach and Minister for Finance indicated the Government is to consider extending Covid-19 measures such as the rent freeze and the ban on evictions, but will assess how special welfare payments can be tapered off in the coming months.

    In a note sent to the Cabinet from the Department of the Taoiseach this week, Ministers were told that while the initial stage was “both swift and unprecedented, and was experienced by everyone together and in a relatively unified spirit”, this may change as the long-term effects come into play.

    “This includes unemployment, reduced income, increased debt, closure of businesses, reduced educational opportunities, restrictions on movement and social interactions, and ultimately the loss of loved ones.”

    The note, the tone of which was described as “jaw-dropping” by sources, outlined the challenges ahead, such as the difficulty of opening some sections of the economy and not others, reducing income supports and tightening procedures for those entering the country, as well as opportunities.

    Accountability
    It also touched on political accountability, in what some were interpreting as concern about a caretaker government dealing with such a crisis.

    “The issue of government formation and the role of the Oireachtas is outside the remit of this note. However, given the scale and impact of the decisions that will have to be taken in the coming months, it would be important that measures are put in place to enable proper political debate and public accountability.”

    Taoiseach Leo Varadkar suggested on Wednesday afternoon that rent freezes and other temporary actions could be extended if the pandemic continues into June, as experts anticipate.


    Earlier, Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe said the Government would consider “tapering and changing” the special €350 pandemic payment when the initial 12-week period runs out in mid-June. There is growing concern in the Department of Finance that the current unprecedented State supports are unsustainable in the medium term



    Looks like we are being primed for more death and debt. Makes no sense to prolong semi lockdown. We should go full Chinese lockdown or just take our chances. Everyone where I live is not adhering to it. They may convince themselves that they are but they are not.

    If they had of had the balls to lockdown ports airports etc early on we'd be through this already. They would have got lashback early on but then we would have felt great national pride like coming third in the Olympics. Look at Australia New Zealand now.

    Sorry if already shared. Sums up how most feel.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1252997253079449601?s=20


  • #2559
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Achasanai wrote: »
    You're in the 16th Covid19 thread so I'm guessing you know already?

    The point being made I believe was that contrary to almost everones belief, Covid-19 is not a virus


  • #2560
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The point being made I believe was that contrary to almost everones belief, Covid-19 is not a virus

    Ok.


  • #2561
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1253232672345817088?s=19

    Perhaps explains some of yesterdays increase in cases ? And a good thing that everyone in nursing homes and long term care settings is finally being tested

    No, each and everyday is a snapshot of the exact status on that day. There is no room for nuance as differences in testing and reporting cause day to day variations, that's just spin form the FG shills and not peoples honest assessment of what they see.


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  • #2562
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Good article. Reflects what a NY ICU doctor said a good while ago on a video I watched, think her name was Colleen, that they were seeing the covid lung damage in people who were in ICU for unrelated reasons. Also similar to what Cameron Kyle Sidell and the Italian doctor based in Gottingen say. Cannot remember his name. Giaconni or something. If people are looking for pulse oximeters they better get the finger out, (yep).

    Edit Luciano Gattinoni

    I linked to that last night. My understanding is that everyone should have an oximeter in the fight against this virus. To check their oxygen levels for detection in a drop in o2/oxygen levels before the symptoms of breathlessness appears.


  • #2563
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    My issue is that people have been told to stay home for the past Month unless it was for work or an essential journey,but the second supermacs opens, johnny big belly and his equally idiotic comrades form a 2 hour queue. The same people are the ones who claim to be flat out and killed with the busy on a normal day the wafflers.
    It’s frustrating for people forced to cocoon through age and johnny big belly queuing for a bag of chips.

    food outlets are permitted to open for collection, journeys to get food is an essential journey and people choose to then go to those food outlets to collect food. They dont leave their cars, and pay by card using contactless payment. I would personally not choose to sit in a car park to get Supermacs, but that is my choice. I don't get whats wrong here


  • #2564
    eddie73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭eddie73


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    It never ceases to amaze me the amount of idiotic fools who live amongst us in society.
    2 hours some of them queued up yesterday to buy a bag of sh1te in supermacs drive through.
    Sure what else would the gombeens have for doing with themselves.
    A picture on cllr eddie hoares Twitter of the gombeen Que.


    Is this actually true???

    It would be bad enough to queue for 2 ours to eat that sh1te at the best of times. To do this in the middle of a pandemic is pretty far out.

    The counter argument is of course that you are socially isolating in a car i suppose.


  • #2565
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    eddie73 wrote: »
    Is this actually true???

    It would be bad enough to queue for 2 ours to eat that sh1te at the best of times. To do this in the middle of a pandemic is pretty far out.

    The counter argument is of course that you are socially isolating in a car i suppose.

    yes, and these are the fast-food fanatics that we're lockeddown because of, as they can't control their diets and are a utter drain on public health resources.


  • #2566
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    eddie73 wrote: »
    Is this actually true???

    It would be bad enough to queue for 2 ours to eat that sh1te at the best of times. To do this in the middle of a pandemic is pretty far out.

    The counter argument is of course that you are socially isolating in a car i suppose.


    It's not really true, garbled for outrage purposes.


  • #2567
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Looks like we are being primed for more death and debt. Makes no sense to prolong semi lockdown. We should go full Chinese lockdown or just take our chances. Everyone where I live is not adhering to it. They may convince themselves that they are but they are not.

    If they had of had the balls to lockdown ports airports etc early on we'd be through this already. They would have got lashback early on but then we would have felt great national pride like coming third in the Olympics. Look at Australia New Zealand now.

    Sorry if already shared. Sums up how most feel.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1252997253079449601?s=20

    There is something really uplifting about a New Yorker telling it like it is!


  • #2568
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The point being made I believe was that contrary to almost everones belief, Covid-19 is not a virus
    Well, I was looking for them to say COronaVIrus Disease, 2019... So yeah


  • #2569
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    I'm not outraged - just again frustrated with the poor level of communication from our government.

    My point is why bother mentioning that exact figure at all? Just keep it straight forward, and say there will be no concerts or large sporting events going ahead this summer? Simple.
    5,000 was mentioned because events over that size need to be licensed. Big events like that are obviously planned months in advance, and decisions needed to be made now for those events - even if they are many months away.

    I expect the figure for restricting smaller events is going to change depending on how the disease progresses and advice from Public Health, and there was no need to issue guidance on that until next month.

    It's all very well people getting frustrated, but this is an unprecedented event and there is going to be lots of uncertainty. The Government is making decisions on a day-to-day basis with input from health officials, and there is nothing else they can do.


  • #2570
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    food outlets are permitted to open for collection, journeys to get food is an essential journey and people choose to then go to those food outlets to collect food. They dont leave their cars, and pay by card using contactless payment. I would personally not choose to sit in a car park to get Supermacs, but that is my choice. I don't get whats wrong here






    You,me and the dogs on the street know that sitting in a 2 hour queue for a bag of chips isn’t an essential journey.yeah they could claim the oven broke if challenged but at the end of the day they are fcukin idiots,doing what fcukin idiots do.
    There’s 70 year olds locked up a month through no fault of their own and they suffering on account of it struggling to get in basic supplies and not a one to even talk to.


  • #2571
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    My issue is that people have been told to stay home for the past Month unless it was for work or an essential journey,but the second supermacs opens, johnny big belly and his equally idiotic comrades form a 2 hour queue. The same people are the ones who claim to be flat out and killed with the busy on a normal day the wafflers.
    It’s frustrating for people forced to cocoon through age and johnny big belly queuing for a bag of chips.

    Lockdowners are insufferable. Some people have no jobs because of this and have nothing to do other than look a telly.

    So what if they drive somewhere, stay in their car and receive a bag of food through the window.

    People are allowed to shop for AND collect take out food. Try understand the restrictions before you try to chastise people for breaking them.


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  • #2572
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    If we used the exact reporting method being used by the UK and applied it to Ireland... that still puts us as the 16th worst affected country in the world.

    Not quite top 10... but still not very impressive!

    Even the most optimistic estimates putting us in 40th place, that's still not where you want to be in the top 50 in the world... especially when we are being fed a pack of lies about how great our government is handling this!

    People can hide behind their carefully chosen criteria and statistics all they want... but the truth always comes out in the end. When you have a daily average death rate increasing from 3.3 per day to 16.5 per day in less than a month... you cannot hide from huge increases like that.

    The body count is piling up (sorry to be crass - but it is)... people sticking their head in the sand and pretending we're doing great, are only fooling themselves at the end of the day. We're not doing great - we're struggling quite badly. Not as bad as it could be, thankfully, but still not worthy of all the bullsh*t positive spin being peddled around here from certain people!

    ok im gonna have to stop you there

    not if we just adjusted our figures to reflect how england us doing it. thats absolutely pointless.

    you have to try to figure it out as if *every* country was measuring the same way.

    the way you're proposing makes absolutely no sense and tells us nothing.

    this isnt obfuscation or playing with figures, this is the basic stuff.


  • #2573
    [Deleted User]
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Well, I was looking for them to say COronaVIrus Disease, 2019... So yeah

    A disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus


  • #2574
    kg703
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭kg703


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Everyone where I live is not adhering to it. They may convince themselves that they are but they are not.

    This 100%

    We got invited to a socially distant family BBQ this weekend.... the family member in question only recently finished isolation after testing positive for the virus.

    People are getting fed up and just bending the rules to their own will, lots of people now back to sitting in the parks in the sun.

    I'm not letting it irritate me anymore, human nature I guess. I'm just staying in and hoping for the best.


  • #2575
    JoeA3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    You,me and the dogs on the street know that sitting in a 2 hour queue for a bag of chips isn’t an essential journey.yeah they could claim the oven broke if challenged but at the end of the day they are fcukin idiots,doing what fcukin idiots do.
    There’s 70 year olds locked up a month through no fault of their own and they suffering on account of it struggling to get in basic supplies and not a one to even talk to.

    Is the view good from that horse you're up on?

    Irish people (particularly Galway people) Love Supermacs. This is not news.

    What harm are they doing sitting in their own cars, apart from annoying billy Big balls on the internet?

    It's a masterstroke in business by Pat McDonagh in my opinion. Free publicity and you are feeding him!


  • #2576
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    You,me and the dogs on the street know that sitting in a 2 hour queue for a bag of chips isn’t an essential journey.yeah they could claim the oven broke if challenged but at the end of the day they are fcukin idiots,doing what fcukin idiots do.
    There’s 70 year olds locked up a month through no fault of their own and they suffering on account of it struggling to get in basic supplies and not a one to even talk to.

    But they can chose to do that if they wish. Above all the things that idiots could be doing at this time, queuing for drive thru is the least damaging to the control of the virus. We have not mandated what type of food people get, they are therefore entitled to get what ever food they wish in a safe manner.


  • #2577
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Achasanai wrote: »
    It's a basic understanding of a virus that has been the primary focus of his department for numerous months. We're not expecting an epidemiologist, but you might expect one with a basic understanding of what Covid19 is.
    I do get this, but we also have to consider that what someone says is less important than what they do.

    If this was the UK or the US and he said that, then it's just extra evidence that those at the centre of this are incompetent fools.

    But this has been exceptionally well handled by our government. Harris hasn't been a bumbling idiot, the welfare of people have been put first and foremost above everything else, Harris has played a blinder in this crisis. Which is why he gets a "free pass" for making this mistake.

    If anything, it makes the mistake more perplexing because it doesn't fit. I'm willing to accept that it was a throwaway mistake made by a man under more work pressure than most of us will ever know, I'm just a bit puzzled as to how he made it in the first place. But I'm not going to demand answers. There are more important things for him to have to spend his time on right now.


  • #2578
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    JoeA3 wrote: »
    Is the view good from that horse you're up on?

    Irish people (particularly Galway people) Love Supermacs. This is not news.

    What harm are they doing sitting in their own cars, apart from annoying billy Big balls on the internet?

    It's a masterstroke in business by Pat McDonagh in my opinion. Free publicity and you are feeding him!





    How long were you queuing for?😂


  • #2579
    JoeA3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    How long were you queuing for?��

    I wasn't, seeing as you ask, but I think I will give it a lash over the weekend.


  • #2580
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    You,me and the dogs on the street know that sitting in a 2 hour queue for a bag of chips isn’t an essential journey.yeah they could claim the oven broke if challenged but at the end of the day they are fcukin idiots,doing what fcukin idiots do.
    There’s 70 year olds locked up a month through no fault of their own and they suffering on account of it struggling to get in basic supplies and not a one to even talk to.
    20% of our country's food intake comes from takeaways.

    Yes, that's a problem, but not one we can fix in the middle of a pandemic.

    The impact of just removing 20% of our food source overnight would have major and dramatic knock-on effects across the entire food supply.

    Every restriction has to be balanced against the wider impact that such a restriction would cause.


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  • #2581
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    If you catch this virus, we are being told to stay at home unless you have breathing difficulties.

    If someone was to get a pulse oximeter, are they going to be turned away if they have oxygen levels below 92 because they may still only be classified as "mild" with their symptoms and not have breathing difficulties?

    Hope that question makes sense.


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