Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Jim_Hodge · 22-04-2020 09:02PM

JoeA3 wrote: »

lol. I haven’t seen a Garda checkpoint yet.

If people think the Gardai are going out there in force dishing out fines and arresting people going to the shops they are completely deluded.

I don't know where you are Joe but we're fairly rural and I've been stopped 5 times in the past eight days within 2km from home

Be right back · 22-04-2020 09:05PM

JoeA3 wrote: »

lol. I haven’t seen a Garda checkpoint yet.

If people think the Gardai are going out there in force dishing out fines and arresting people going to the shops they are completely deluded.

There's loads around Cork city and county.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 22-04-2020 09:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don’t want to keep arguing the point, but it’s not an inconvenient truth when it was expected. If we were at 10 per day it would be in inconvenient truth for those who argue the end of the world or at 500 per day an inconvenient truth for those arguing things are going ok considering. We are probably at the point where both groups will see in the data something supporting their point and that it’s what is perpetuating the circular arguments going on currently

Translation: you don't really have a clue, but you'll paint it as us doing well because that's the agenda you're pushing!

People are bullsh*tting about us doing well, when they don't really know conclusively that we are. Even our CMO - our so-called "expert" - seems confused with his interpretation of the stats. You're all trying to forecast and predict the future... but you're getting it wrong.

There's a lot of people out there, who are great a manipulating numbers and stats... but really rubbish when it comes to simple common sense and basic logic. And quite often ignore very obvious things!

You don't need to be a high level mathematician or statistician to see the obvious truth in front of your eyes... the basic unmanipulated numbers show the truth. We're not improving, we're getting worse... something many of us have been saying for several weeks now!

YFlyer · 22-04-2020 09:08PM

Is there any link for the daily numbers of positive cases including death in individual nursery homes?

I'm trying to look for spikes that appear.

Thanks

fullstop · 22-04-2020 09:08PM

nacho libre wrote: »

I've noticed the same in my area. A lot more traffic on the road in recent times, and more elderly people out and about than there was a week ago.

Ditto, lots of older people sitting around on benches and walls chatting, with about 2 feet between them. For some reason people now seem to think if they're not shoulder-to-shoulder that they're socially distancing.

frillyleaf · 22-04-2020 09:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People are getting all worked up about the amount of people out, but as far as I can see people are socially distancing and being very aware. Sure there have always been some who have not, but the governments modelling would have always assumed a small proportion of rule breakers. As far as I can see, the majority are being smart, and bodes well for coming weeks

I’m referring to people who are absolutely not social distancing. They aren’t sticking to any guidelines and are calling into people’s houses for social visits even if health risks are present such as age and conditions. Other people are letting young children mix unsupervised that aren’t capable of maintaining social distance on their own

Away With The Fairies · 22-04-2020 09:13PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Yep. They need to have a press conference similar to March. I feel they won’t relax restrictions much looking at what is going on at the moment. I felt they might up until yesterday.

They're talking how about well we're doing, getting the RO below 1. It's any wonder people are becoming complacent. And it's something I still don't understand, how do they know how well we're doing when they aren't testing everybody was symptoms.

Newtown90 · 22-04-2020 09:14PM

Be right back wrote: »

There's loads around Cork city and county.

I commute Killarney to Cork everyday for work.

I've been stopped everyday since the "lockdown" came in, numerous occasions on some days.

So yes the Gards are active in Kerry and Cork.

CruelSummer · 22-04-2020 09:17PM

Also loads of Gardai around Galway

fullstop · 22-04-2020 09:23PM

joe_99 wrote: »

This is what our numbers look like if we followed other countries death reporting.

Any comments?

By the way reinforces ridiculousness of comparisons and league tables.

Ah stop, that doesn't suit "the agenda". He's just looking for anything to have a moan about. Government say no gatherings over 5k until September so as not to get hopes up about sporting events for the summer and his takeaway is "so it's fine for 4,999 people to gather, but not 5,000...gubberment stoopid"

Wibbs · 22-04-2020 09:24PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

You have failed to state the difference in numbers though

Hit me with them, it's fairly simple

I did. If you can't comprehend something so basic and obvious I can't help you.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Same with caffeine... pure caffeine will kill you quite quickly.

But it seems unclear if nicotine is actually inherently unhealthy, or just highly addictive...

In low doses minus the dangerous smoking method of ingestion part it doesn't seem to be inherently unhealthy. Raises blood pressure I suppose which wouldn't be good for some. Like any drug I suppose it depends on individual tolerances too. A belt of it that the average smoker gets that chills them out could have a non smoker thinking they've just drunk the strongest coffee ever and not in a good way.

It aids concentration and short term memory and appears to tamp down ADHD symptoms and appears to have a protective effect in some forms of parkinsons.

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 09:24PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Also loads of Gardai around Galway

They have nothing else to be doing these days and sure out in the car driving round or a little walk is nice in the sun

It's not a bad job to have at the minute

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 09:25PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I did. If you can't comprehend something so basic and obvious I can't help you.

In low doses minus the dangerous smoking method of ingestion part it doesn't seem to be inherently unhealthy. Raises blood pressure I suppose which wouldn't be good for some. Like any drug I suppose it depends on individual tolerances too. A belt of it that the average smoker gets that chills them out could have a non smoker thinking they've just drunk the strongest coffee ever and not in a good way. It aids concentration and short term memory and appears to tamp down ADHD symptoms and appears to have a protective effect in some forms of parkinsons.

You haven't and let's be honest you have nothing better to be doing so state them again

You've had two goes at it and failed

walshb · 22-04-2020 09:26PM

Just on this no gatherings of people over 5000

Why such a high figure?

Review it in September is the thinking?

22-04-2020 09:26PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Translation: you don't really have a clue, but you'll paint it as us doing well because that's the agenda you're pushing!

People are bullsh*tting about us doing well, when they don't really know conclusively that we are. Even our CMO - our so-called "expert" - seems confused with his interpretation of the stats. You're all trying to forecast and predict the future... but you're getting it wrong.

There's a lot of people out there, who are great a manipulating numbers and stats... but really rubbish when it comes to simple common sense and basic logic. And quite often ignore very obvious things!

You don't need to be a high level mathematician or statistician to see the obvious truth in front of your eyes... the basic unmanipulated numbers show the truth. We're not improving, we're getting worse... something many of us have been saying for several weeks now!

Every post you address you bring to the personal level questioning motives, claiming people are pushing agendas and somehow have a motivation to manipulate the message, I am just someone expressing my opinion based on what I observe. If I disagree with you it’s not personal, but it’s still my view. And my view remains that all the data I have seen is entirely consistent with my view that we have maintained things under control.
I do very much appreciate that 40 or so deaths a day for a number of days is a difficult thing for everyone to see.
So please, question my data, my facts or opinions all you want. But my motivations are just what I see

gabeeg · 22-04-2020 09:32PM

fullstop wrote: »

Ah stop, that doesn't suit "the agenda". He's just looking for anything to have a moan about. Government say no gatherings over 5k until September so as not to get hopes up about sporting events for the summer and his takeaway is "so it's fine for 4,999 people to gather, but not 5,000...gubberment stoopid"

Simon Harris believes it's called Covid-19 because there's been 18 previous coronaviruses.

So yeah, he at least is thick as mince

JoeA3 · 22-04-2020 09:34PM

walshb wrote: »

Just on this no gatherings of people over 5000

Why such a high figure?

Review it in September is the thinking?

It’s been explained several times. Events over 5k require licensing. This doesn’t mean events of 4999 will be allowed. In general, they won’t either. .

22-04-2020 09:36PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Simon Harris believes it's called Covid-19 because there's been 18 previous coronaviruses.

So yeah, he at least is thick as mince

Everyone here has no doubt said at least one incredibly stupid thing at some point. Doesn’t make them stupid. Well most of them anyway

joe_99 · 22-04-2020 09:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Every post you address you bring to the personal level questioning motives, claiming people are pushing agendas and somehow have a motivation to manipulate the message, I am just someone expressing my opinion based on what I observe. If I disagree with you it’s not personal, but it’s still my view. And my view remains that all the data I have seen is entirely consistent with my view that we have maintained things under control.
I do very much appreciate that 40 or so deaths a day for a number of days is a difficult thing for everyone to see.
So please, question my data, my facts or opinions all you want. But my motivations are just what I see

Well said

celt262 · 22-04-2020 09:37PM

JoeA3 wrote: »

It’s been explained several times. Events over 5k require licensing. This doesn’t mean events of 4999 will be allowed. In general, they won’t either. .

You are wasting your time Bob will be in shortly asking the same.

Maestro85 · 22-04-2020 09:38PM

walshb wrote: »

Just on this no gatherings of people over 5000

Why such a high figure?

Review it in September is the thinking?

well I regularly go up for the Willie Clancy festival but believed it was going to be called off this year but I received a call from a mate around there saying it's back on and that can get a few thousand people. I can't imagine how they will control it. Utter madness to me.

Hobgoblin11 · 22-04-2020 09:38PM

John waters will probably regret his actions when some of those present at that protest who looked over 70 I will add get covid

Jim_Hodge · 22-04-2020 09:40PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

There's a lot of people out there, who are great a manipulating numbers and stats... but really rubbish when it comes to simple common sense and basic logic. And quite often ignore very obvious things!

You don't need to be a high level mathematician or statistician to see the obvious truth in front of your eyes... the basic unmanipulated numbers show the truth. We're not improving, we're getting worse... something many of us have been saying for several weeks now!

Every night, the same thing!!!

Doing well means keeping a manageable check on this thing, Reducing the rate of increase is doing well at this stage . If you think we can put a lid on this thing in a couple of months you are either very naïve or not listening to what you are being told.

The reduced rate of growth is, by all definitions at this stage of a pandemic situation, doing well and achieving what the aim was.

wakka12 · 22-04-2020 09:41PM

Looking like USA will today report it's 2nd lowest death toll in weeks the day after reporting it's highest total ever yesterday

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 22-04-2020 09:41PM

fullstop wrote: »

Ah stop, that doesn't suit "the agenda". He's just looking for anything to have a moan about. Government say no gatherings over 5k until September so as not to get hopes up about sporting events for the summer and his takeaway is "so it's fine for 4,999 people to gather, but not 5,000...gubberment stoopid"

So you think everyone in the country that reads that headline, will know that there is a licence needed for any gathering over 5,000 people?

The statement makes it sound very ambiguous... it sounds like it's okay to have gatherings under 5K people. And that's exactly how many will interpret it.

22-04-2020 09:42PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

well I regularly go up for the Willie Clancy festival but believed it was going to be called off this year but I received a call from a mate around there saying it's back on and that can get a few thousand people. I can't imagine how they will control it. Utter madness to me.

Well if the organisers believe that the information on no events of over 5k automatically allows their event because it’s under 5k to go ahead I fear they are in for a rude awakening,

Gynoid · 22-04-2020 09:42PM

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/corona-you-need-the-sledgehammer-to-bring-down-infections-a-e939bdf1-6485-4c24-b70e-9ee7a5cdf5b0-amp

"In an interview, Hong Kong-based epidemiologist Gabriel Leung explains why he considers a rapid lifting of contact bans and social distancing measures to be irresponsible. The corona crisis, he believes, will be with us for a long time."

These are just two quotes I thought particularly interesting. He seems calm and clear.

DER SPIEGEL: Should young people be allowed to more exposure?

Leung: Trying to be too clever by half in terms of trying to expose people who are at lower risk in order that they could use herd immunity to protect other people at higher risk -- I think it is not going to work. Unless you have a very, very compliant population and you have a very targeted, almost military precision in how you think people are going to behave.

DER SPIEGEL: There are reports in Germany, especially among the younger population, that people are not socially distancing nearly enough. Should we be worried?

Leung: Of course, we should be -- especially when you are in the growth phase of an epidemic. It is absolutely mandatory that if you want to minimize the morbidity and mortality burden that the community-wide acceptance of physical distancing gets very high acceptance at all levels of the population, young and old.

DER SPIEGEL: So, let’s take a view on our future course of action. Is it suppress and lift, suppress and lift again?

Leung: Before a vaccine becomes available, I am afraid that is going to be the new normal.

And...

DER SPIEGEL: What do scientists need to prepare for to fight this pandemic?

Leung: You need to have resilience. And to carry with you as a scientist a sense of humanity. Making sure we do the best science and know that we do the best science to keep people safe. And: To be absolutely resilient to external pressures.

olestoepoke · 22-04-2020 09:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Everyone here has no doubt said at least one incredibly stupid thing at some point. Doesn’t make them stupid. Well most of them anyway

Thats some clanger from him though. He's supposed to be part of the leadership thats fighting this virus in our country and he hasn't a clue. He's the minister for health FFS. He should be dismissed immediately.

Jim_Hodge · 22-04-2020 09:48PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

So you think everyone in the country that reads that headline, will know that there is a licence needed for any gathering over 5,000 people?

The statement makes it sound very ambiguous... it sounds like it's okay to have gatherings under 5K people. And that's exactly how many will interpret it.

You've summed it up. Idiots making their minds up and taking to the internet to rant after just reading a headline.
Ever hear of reading an article?

gabeeg · 22-04-2020 09:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Everyone here has no doubt said at least one incredibly stupid thing at some point. Doesn’t make them stupid. Well most of them anyway

I've said loads of stupid things. Loads.

I've never said anything that stupid though.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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