Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

fritzelly · 21-04-2020 12:57AM

bekker wrote: »

The COVID-19 PPE situation is the States seems to be reaching new depths.

This reads like an extract from a covert operation novel, but it's from the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2010025

But Trump has secured (read outbid other countries) billions and billions of PPE

niallo27 · 21-04-2020 12:58AM

Miike wrote: »

Of note in the studies you've quoted in the first part of your comment. There is serious flaws in their study which they admit to, in terms of how they recruited people to be tested. That data is next to worthless

Blood donors in Sweden found 11% of people had antibodies and these would have been regarded as healthy people to give blood.

wakka12 · 21-04-2020 12:58AM

Miike wrote: »

Of note in the studies you've quoted in the first part of your comment. There is serious flaws in their study which they admit to, in terms of how they recruited people to be tested. That data is next to worthless

I wouldnt go that far but it is a highly biased candidate sample and 4% positive rate cant be extrapolated to the wider population.

As for the LA study, I dont know, I have no idea how the candidates were found for this other study

Tony EH · 21-04-2020 01:00AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Fair play to nurses standing up to Trumptards in the US.

Jesus christ, that's just so depressing on such a grand scale.

Are there any other nation's gobshites doing this, or is it just American ones?

fritzelly · 21-04-2020 01:02AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Jesus christ, that's just so depressing on such a grand scale.

Are there any other nation's gobshites doing this, or is it just American ones?

Should be grateful she didn't get out of the car and shoot him as her constitutional right

speckle · 21-04-2020 01:04AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Don't think viruses are conscious enough to know when to stop mutating

maybe just not a human type of consciousness. :-)

AlmightyCushion · 21-04-2020 01:04AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is the virus causing upheaval or is the response causing upheaval? The worldwide virus death toll still hasn't surpassed the Haiti earthquake deathtoll in 2010.

Estimates for the Haiti earthquake death toll are between 100,000 - 300,000 at the most. So far, official figures for Coronavirus put the death toll at 170,000.

So, currently we're, at least, well past the half way point. The difference is, the Haiti earthquake is over and Coronavirus is still going. Not to mention, a lot of countries are under-reporting the death toll for Coronavirus and about 1/3 of the earth's population is on some form of lockdown. If it wasn't for those last 2 points, the death toll for Coronavirus would be much, much higher.

Miike · 21-04-2020 01:09AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Blood donors in Sweden found 11% of people had antibodies and these would have been regarded as healthy people to give blood.

Sweden are taking a herd immunity approach. Not even remotely comparable.

fritzelly · 21-04-2020 01:11AM

speckle wrote: »

maybe just not a human type of consciousness. :-)

Existential crisis moment

bekker · 21-04-2020 01:16AM

fritzelly wrote: »

But Trump has secured (read outbid other countries) billions and billions of PPE

Trillions, so why is he using the feds to attempt a hi-jack of PPE?

speckle · 21-04-2020 01:17AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Existential crisis moment

nawh think I just lost conciousness for a while happens when trumpitdity comes on air.

speckle · 21-04-2020 01:32AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Before this pandemic, has vets seen SARS like illness in animals like in livestock, pets, zoo animals?

If yes, does the veterinary world have a vaccine that could possibly be built on for human use?

dont know about a vacine but we have alot to be grateful to cats for re remdesivir. its was originally for ebola but wasnt used then....

https://news.vin.com/default.aspx?pid=210&Id=9235842&useobjecttypeid=10&fromVINNEWSASPX=1

nocoverart · 21-04-2020 01:37AM

Thinking it be a good time to do some DMT, either that or I still have a few Guinness in the fridge.

dundalkfc10 · 21-04-2020 01:46AM

Let's all laugh at Trump and his silliness

Our own Government have let old people die and now decide they will try pretend they care a few weeks too late

Kermit.de.frog · 21-04-2020 01:52AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Let's all laugh at Trump and his silliness

Our own Government have let old people die and now decide they will try pretend they care a few weeks too late

You'll go on to tell us about the nursing home deaths in the US I presume under Trump's watch?

eagle eye · 21-04-2020 02:10AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

You'll go on to tell us about the nursing home deaths in the US I presume under Trump's watch?

We should worry about our own country before we start criticising other countries or their leaders.
I'm still trying to understand why we don't have state quarantine for people coming in, how Keelings fruit is more important than Irish people who are told not to travel beyond 2k but they can get workers in from another country.

fritzelly · 21-04-2020 02:15AM

eagle eye wrote: »

We should worry about our own country before we start criticising other countries or their leaders.
I'm still trying to understand why we don't have state quarantine for people coming in, how Keelings fruit is more important than Irish people who are told not to travel beyond 2k but they can get workers in from another country.

Couple of thoughts - we didn't expect some Irish company to just fly in a couple of hundred people from another country considering the situation we are in ignoring all health advice - anger should be directed at the company not the government because a company sees profits before health

The current caretaker government - there is probably only so much they can get away with without the remit of the people to control the government and add on top the WHO don't stop people moving around. I would hazard a guess if we had a proper government we may have had a total lockdown then again if FF were in charge it would have been more a Trump scenario...worse still SF harping on about forever homes and travellers have a right to attend funerals of someone they've never met

nocoverart · 21-04-2020 02:31AM

A Pandemic is scary, the Internet plus a Pandemic is unnecessarily scary. Hard times but in hard times we’ll prevail.

eagle eye · 21-04-2020 02:36AM

fritzelly wrote:

Couple of thoughts - we didn't expect some Irish company to just fly in a couple of hundred people from another country considering the situation we are in ignoring all health advice - anger should be directed at the company not the government because a company sees profits before health

Anger at both and Keelings will pay for it, just watch and see all their products being left on the shelf.
The government still have not set up quarantine for people coming in. I think we should have enforced, state monitored quarantine. I think anybody who wants to come in to Ireland should have to pay for the quarantine, it'd be a good deterrent.
So I'm criticising the country for letting people in here to go where they want freely.
As far as the WHO is concerned, they have been found out. They have failed miserably during this pandemic on multiple occasions so I'm disregarding them now. I won't be reading or following their advice from here on. Ignoring Taiwan was their first mistake and they have continued to show that they are not up to doing what we all expected if them.

fritzelly · 21-04-2020 02:49AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Anger at both and Keelings will pay for it, just watch and see all their products being left on the shelf.
The government still have not set up quarantine for people coming in. I think we should have enforced, state monitored quarantine. I think anybody who wants to come in to Ireland should have to pay for the quarantine, it'd be a good deterrent.
So I'm criticising the country for letting people in here to go where they want freely.
As far as the WHO is concerned, they have been found out. They have failed miserably during this pandemic on multiple occasions so I'm disregarding them now. I won't be reading or following their advice from here on. Ignoring Taiwan was their first mistake and they have continued to show that they are not up to doing what we all expected if them.

Alas if the government had been as draconian as the likes of Italy, Spain and China there would have been a revolt around civil liberties (nutcases like Waters and O'Doherty).
I even posited in one of the previous threads some time back I would prefer a 4 week draconian measure rather than an 8+ week soft lockdown
My immediate family - siblings etc - are encroaching on the high risk groups - I don't want to catch this, in fact I fear if I do catch it would I survive it - probably as I'm still relatively healthy (I think) but by god I don't want to have to go thru what some people are going thru to save their lives.
The unknowns of the virus are very scary - the other half is going stir crazy, out and about every day and have to tell them every time you go out you increase your chance of catching it (the type to just like having a chat with shop owners and strangers)

marno21 · 21-04-2020 02:57AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Jesus christ, that's just so depressing on such a grand scale.

Are there any other nation's gobshites doing this, or is it just American ones?

The proportion of these protesters going around flying confederate flags would suggest this is about more than the virus.

fritzelly · 21-04-2020 02:59AM

Anyone watch Panorama tonight?
One thing a nurse said we make sure no patient dies alone - family cannot be there, so sad

dundalkfc10 · 21-04-2020 03:10AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You'll go on to tell us about the nursing home deaths in the US I presume under Trump's watch?

Are you joking?

We are not comparing here, we are saying both are a disgrace but some people you included think to shout about another countries problems that are worse than ours makes our govt doing a good job

owlbethere · 21-04-2020 03:50AM

eagle eye wrote: »

We should worry about our own country before we start criticising other countries or their leaders.
I'm still trying to understand why we don't have state quarantine for people coming in, how Keelings fruit is more important than Irish people who are told not to travel beyond 2k but they can get workers in from another country.

I was watching euronews and the price of oil fell and crashed. We're looking at an economic depression here. There was no need whatsoever for Keelings to fly people in from abroad. They could have aimed for students to work for them.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-04-2020 04:09AM

The Don has made an announcement

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252418369170501639

Kermit.de.frog · 21-04-2020 04:28AM

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1252421665901826048

https://twitter.com/DavMicRot/status/1252419339757563905

https://twitter.com/tburages/status/1252419911869063168

snoopboggybog · 21-04-2020 04:38AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252046878314770432

21-04-2020 05:08AM

Will people like Kermit who think that stopping immigration, forced quarantine etc. are wrong and undemocratic support localised lockdowns later on in the year as they spring up?

I think that's the only way any country can open up properly. Deal with the massive onslaught at the start nationally and then deal with continued outbreaks at the neighbourhood level. There will be some extra resistance in countries due to immunity but we don't know yet how much.

overkill602 · 21-04-2020 07:03AM

shut the airport DOWN for passangers now or quarantine 14 days make travelers pay, why should anybody lockdown when we are allow airport traffic
4 London, 1 glasglow and 1 amsterdam flight in to day

NetChat101 · 21-04-2020 07:12AM

owlbethere wrote: »

I was watching euronews and the price of oil fell and crashed. We're looking at an economic depression here. There was no need whatsoever for Keelings to fly people in from abroad. They could have aimed for students to work for them.

A lot of students who would have earned maybe €150 from part time work are now getting €350 to stay at home. Can't see them queueing up to pick fruit for a lot less money.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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