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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #812
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Don't think viruses are conscious enough to know when to stop mutating :D

    Maybe so but the forces controlling them do know.


  • #813
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Was also laughing away on the LLS some weeks back saying we'll be grand in Ireland, don't be worrying about the virus

    He was indeed. The guy is all over the place week after week.


  • #814
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭take everything


    Arghus wrote: »
    Poetic licence.

    In fairness everything could be regarded as having some kind of consciousness.
    Consciousness is just a process really. The subjective Vs objective aspects of it is where it gets interesting.

    But yeah viruses in so far as their process could well have a type of consciousness. So conscious in the broad sense.


  • #815
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,149 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Maybe so but the forces controlling them do know.

    The WHO?


  • #816
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Right, so why would they openly say the deaths were higher today because of a lag then if so

    Probably because they reckoned that figures at the peak were too scary so they didn’t report all deaths at that time. Now that they have imposed an extension of the lockdown, they reckon the figures are not scary enough to justify what they have done, so they just add in some of the deaths they didn’t report before. Eventually they have to report all deaths but they are timing it for political reasons.


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  • #817
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Trump stooge governor of Georgia to open his state ASAP...only 59 deaths today

    https://twitter.com/FelinaBlanc/status/1252341356816564225

    And just to re-enforce what a dumb ass this specimen is the state just posted it's highest death toll yet at 94 for the day.

    I guess, as a Republican, he has faith instead of science though.

    https://twitter.com/MsJoelyFisher/status/1252371221632569346


  • #818
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,149 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    take everything wrote: »
    In fairness everything could be regarded as having some kind of consciousness.
    Consciousness is just a process really. The subjective Vs objective aspects of it is where it gets interesting.

    But yeah viruses in so far as their process could well have a type of consciousness. So conscious in the broad sense.

    Does sperm have a conscience? Is it alive? It's a pretty invasive organism
    Or is it just a built in mechanism to do what it does
    Oh lordy this is going an whole other route


  • #819
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    FFS, there is always a delay between a death and its reporting (not specific to Ireland) https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1252344273938219011


  • #820
    BanditLuke
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    Jesus Christ some tin foil hat stuff being spouted in here tonight.

    Adjusting figures of deaths for political reasons??

    Give your head a wobble there.


  • #821
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Don't think viruses are conscious enough to know when to stop mutating :D

    All that a mutation is, is a "mistake" in the RNA code passed to a new generation. It is a random change and if this change is useful, and the virus can make use of it, it is more likely to reproduce with this change, however, if the change screws up something,within the virus, its siblings will carry on as before and the mutated virus dies off. Same as us basically.


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  • #822
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Before this pandemic, has vets seen SARS like illness in animals like in livestock, pets, zoo animals?

    If yes, does the veterinary world have a vaccine that could possibly be built on for human use?


  • #823
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Just Saying wrote: »
    I must admit I have found some of the data regarding residential care setting and nursing homes quite confusing.

    However it is clear from the Hospitalization/ICU data (which is backed up by the low hospital deaths figure) that the lockdown has been very successful in suppressing the virus in the general public.I couldn't agree more that most of our resources should be moved away from the acute hospital settings to the care settings.This seems to have started and I think we will see a dramatic improvement in figures by next week.
    While it is very sad that the death rates in the care settings are high from the perspective of managing to control the spread of the virus I would be far more concerned if the figures showed that the vast majority of the deaths were in the community as this would mean the spread was out of control.


    Actually it is very clear what is going on here.


    The number 605 is coming from 329 confirmed cases in Long Term Residential Care Settings.


    PLUS


    276 confirmed cases from Nursing Homes.


    Problem is that the 276 Nursing Homes are part of the "long term residential care settings". The rest are Mental Health Hospitals and the like.


  • #824
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    If anyone was watching Newsnight tonight on BBC there was a very interesting chart showing the hospital deaths which are being supposedly reported on a daily up-to-date basis are not being reported that way. The chart showed the number of hospital deaths by date of death and it showed that the number of deaths peaked 11 or 12 days ago and is now at a much lower level than is being reported.
    It looks like these stats are being massaged to justify government policy. There was a professor from Oxford University who claimed that the peak transmission rate for London occurred before the full lockdown was imposed and this was achieved by the measures which were in place before the lockdown.
    At this stage I do not believe any stats.

    That's pretty much what DR De Brun said in his article. The Dr who has resigned. He said Ireland did the same imposed the restrictions before they had the predicted infection and death figures available and these figures were grossly overestimated. Hence half of the ICU bed empty and the set up isolation units in hotels never used. He said it was obvious that the elderly were the most at risk and instead of isolating everyone in pop first they should have taken care of our elderly in care homes.


  • #825
    Cork Boy 53
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    The WHO?

    Whether you want to call it Mother Nature, God, some type of entities on a different plane of existence or whatever. I mean after the way the human race has been mistreating this planet and it resources for so long I could believe that there is a deliberate purpose behind the way this virus has appeared and is causing such upheaval to humanity.


  • #826
    Roger_007
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    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Jesus Christ some tin foil hat stuff being spouted in here tonight.

    Adjusting figures of deaths for political reasons??

    Give your head a wobble there.

    There is always a political spin on any kind of public information, even information on something as serious as this which should be apolitical. There is a whole science on the management of expectations. The general belief in political and official circles is that the public should not be told the whole truth about anything.
    Just watch a few episodes of Yes Minister.


  • #827
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Arghus wrote: »
    If anything he's a bit too polite.

    The sociologist on Claire Byrne was determined to talk more than anyone else in the studio, even to the point of interrupting. Ahh, why can't we hear Sam talk about the science.

    I caught him a week or two ago with Ivan Yates. There was some blustery blowhard - a hospital consultant from Cork - who thought it was all ridiculous and we were living in a police state. You could tell by the look on Sam's face that he thought your man was talking bollocks, but he was too much of a gent to challenge him.

    Yeah that Cork doc had a real chinese chip on his shoulder.

    Almost like he was on his way to a coat outlet in Harrisburg Pennsylvania for an irregular coat but he had to stop at Wuhan City and a lot of unfortunate things happened to him.


  • #828
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    the WHO saying they think 2-3% of the world's population is infected based on a number of antibody studies carried out around the world. one particular study in california found that the virus was 50 to 85 times more common than official figures indicated.

    given the current number of reported deaths this would put the mortality between 0.08 and 0.1% or roughly the same or lower than the flu.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/antibody-study-suggests-coronavirus-is-far-more-widespread-than-previously-thought
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/20/studies-suggest-very-few-have-had-covid-19-without-symptoms


  • #829
    Panrich
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    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    FFS, there is always a delay between a death and its reporting (not specific to Ireland) https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1252344273938219011

    Ok. So there is a chart there that for example shows 11 of ‘today’s’ deaths actually occurred on 18th.

    Presumably on any previous day we could have had similar charts produced that showed reported deaths actually occurring on earlier previous days also.

    The issue is why there is a sudden spike today? Why is the reporting delay today much worse than previous days?


  • #830
    marilynrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Source?
    http://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/communicable-diseases/influenza/news/news/2019/01/20182019-influenza-season-what-we-know-so-far
    WHO says deaths associated with influenza were at expected levels across Europe in all 23 reporting member states of EuroMOMO, with some regions experiencing higher levels of excess mortality among elderly than usual

    Do you actually have proof influenza levels were reduced in Europe or are you just assuming that becase the winter seasona across europe was indeed unseasonably mild? The warm weather does not appear to have influenced a reduced level of influenza in winter 2019/20


    https://www.epiprev.it/andamento-della-mortalit%C3%A0-giornaliera-sismg-nelle-citt%C3%A0-italiane-relazione-all%E2%80%99epidemia-di-covid-19

    "The comparison of winter mortality (December-February) shows in the winter 2019-2020 a low mortality attributable to the reduced impact of seasonal risk factors (low temperatures and flu epidemics). This phenomenon, already observed in previous years (Michelozzi et al. 2016) have the effect of determining an increase in the pool of more fragile subjects , (elderly and with chronic diseases) which can increase the impact of the COVID-19 epidemic on the mortality and explain, at least in part, the greater lethality observed in our country;"


  • #831
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    Its an interesting article and worth a read. He leans towards the herd immunity route and says it may be one of the reasons children don't die of this is because stress and anxiety are known to lower the immune response and this is very much more prevalent in the adult population. There is no difference between a childs or an adults immune system Irelands children have the 4th largest amount of Asthma in the child population and it is surprising that children don't die as they do get the virus.


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  • #832
    Danzy
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    Before this pandemic, has vets seen SARS like illness in animals like in livestock, pets, zoo animals?

    If yes, does the veterinary world have a vaccine that could possibly be built on for human use?

    Not so much it is a novel Corona virus so while they have been often seen, very common, it is a new type, they are using what they know of coronavirus to build a solution but it is not like for like.


  • #833
    FintanMcluskey
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    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Whether you want to call it Mother Nature, God, some type of entities on a different plane of existence or whatever. I mean after the way the human race has been mistreating this planet and it resources for so long I could believe that there is a deliberate purpose behind the way this virus has appeared and is causing such upheaval to humanity.

    Is the virus causing upheaval or is the response causing upheaval? The worldwide virus death toll still hasn't surpassed the Haiti earthquake deathtoll in 2010.


  • #834
    Speakerboxx
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    We are en par with uk now with deaths and cases based on our populations.


  • #835
    Andrew00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    Will a don't know why I came here tonight
    I got the feeling that something ain't right
    Am so scared in case I fall of ma chair


  • #836
    Arghus
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    Speakerboxx wrote: »
    We are en par with uk now with deaths and cases based on our populations.

    No.

    They are still way ahead of us in deaths based on population size.

    And there's question marks about whether they are accurately recording all deaths outside of hospital settings. There seems to be no question that the the true UK death total is actually higher than reported.

    And as for confirmed cases. Yes, proportionally we have a higher number of confirmed cases, but the testing criteria is much more narrow in the UK, so those figures are also highly suspect.


  • #837
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Wonder when it'll be OK to travel to say another county.

    I often think about it because I used to go to Dublin & Bray just to walk along the coast to be by myself at weekends.
    I do miss the sea air


  • #838
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Speakerboxx wrote: »
    We are en par with uk now with deaths and cases based on our populations.

    Up to 50% of British deaths are unaccounted for


  • #839
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    The COVID-19 PPE situation is the States seems to be reaching new depths.

    This reads like an extract from a covert operation novel, but it's from the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2010025


  • #840
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    froog wrote: »
    the WHO saying they think 2-3% of the world's population is infected based on a number of antibody studies carried out around the world. one particular study in california found that the virus was 50 to 85 times more common than official figures indicated.

    given the current number of reported deaths this would put the mortality between 0.08 and 0.1% or roughly the same or lower than the flu.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/antibody-study-suggests-coronavirus-is-far-more-widespread-than-previously-thought
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/20/studies-suggest-very-few-have-had-covid-19-without-symptoms

    Of note in the studies you've quoted in the first part of your comment. There is serious flaws in their study which they admit to, in terms of how they recruited people to be tested. That data is next to worthless


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  • #841
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    bekker wrote: »
    The COVID-19 PPE situation is the States seems to be reaching new depths.

    This reads like an extract from a covert operation novel, but it's from the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2010025

    At the rate some of the southern states want to open up in the middle of a pandemic things might be about to get historic

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