Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

owlbethere · 20-04-2020 11:04PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Trump is shameless... It's supposed to be the White House Coronavirus Task Force Daily Press Briefing.

And he drags the Mexico wall into it !

A global pandemic and all he cares about is himself and an upcoming election.

Be right back · 20-04-2020 11:06PM

owlbethere wrote: »

A global pandemic and all he cares about is himself and an upcoming election.

Hit the nail on the head there. His supporters no doubt are lapping up all that he says as gospel.

MD1990 · 20-04-2020 11:07PM

restrictions have to be lifted asap.

McClonkey needs a haircut or go see a hair stylist.

Funsterdelux · 20-04-2020 11:07PM

wadacrack wrote: »

An attempt at the worst hairstyle of all time.

He needs to go with Number 0, all over.

Maestro85 · 20-04-2020 11:10PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Find something more original

Be right back · 20-04-2020 11:11PM

Testing is a big word!!

Arghus · 20-04-2020 11:13PM

Sam McConkey always comes across as a lovely man.

Funsterdelux · 20-04-2020 11:16PM

Arghus wrote: »

Sam McConkey always comes across as a lovely man.

He seems very sensible, with all round knowledge and very measured responses.

wakka12 · 20-04-2020 11:17PM

marilynrr wrote: »

Of course it's relevant.
I read that in Italy the flu season in winter was particularly mild because of the warmer weather so less people died than usual, which therefore meant there was a larger pool of vulnerable people.
Of the people who died from covid-19 in Italy for example I don't know how many would have been expected to die this year anyway statistically but the numbers will be crunched afterwards and they will work out how many extra people lost their lives due to covid-19.

If we say that underlying issues don't matter and say that covid-19 caused all of the deaths (and that all of those people would still be alive if it wasn't for covid-19) then that is not factually correct, it would look like covid-19 caused x amount of people to die, but yet in those few months there were far less deaths from cancer or other age related illnesses. That would show some kind of progress in health care for other health issues if the figures were used in that way!!

Source?
http://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/communicable-diseases/influenza/news/news/2019/01/20182019-influenza-season-what-we-know-so-far
WHO says deaths associated with influenza were at expected levels across Europe in all 23 reporting member states of EuroMOMO, with some regions experiencing higher levels of excess mortality among elderly than usual

Do you actually have proof influenza levels were reduced in Europe or are you just assuming that becase the winter seasona across europe was indeed unseasonably mild? The warm weather does not appear to have influenced a reduced level of influenza in winter 2019/20

LoughNeagh2017 · 20-04-2020 11:23PM

There isn't much discussion about coronavirus on my involuntary celibate forums I have noticed probably because we are just living our normal hermit lifestyles anyway. I wonder if the tinder thots are still meeting up with men, I'd love to know

trapp · 20-04-2020 11:23PM

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

The problem with 'Tony' producing a graph saying deaths are going down are he produced a lovely graph last Thursday. A beautiful inverted V with deaths at 20 a day at the end.

We'll if those figures were feeding into the system we wouldn't have a figure of 41, 39 and 77 deaths over the past 3 days?

It seems like more figures are added to Tony's graphs when he posts them.

None of those who say we're hunky dory envisaged 77 deaths today. RIP. And deaths today will be in tomorrow's or Wednesday/Thursdays announcement.

And off we go again.

Another poster with not a clue.

Your post doesn't even make sense?

JP Liz V1 · 20-04-2020 11:28PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Trump stooge governor of Georgia to open his state ASAP...only 59 deaths today

https://twitter.com/FelinaBlanc/status/1252341356816564225

Trump and his minions are more lethal to America than the virus and to think his ratings are up so likely to be in for a second term

fritzelly · 20-04-2020 11:31PM

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

The problem with 'Tony' producing a graph saying deaths are going down are he produced a lovely graph last Thursday. A beautiful inverted V with deaths at 20 a day at the end.

We'll if those figures were feeding into the system we wouldn't have a figure of 41, 39 and 77 deaths over the past 3 days?

It seems like more figures are added to Tony's graphs when he posts them.

None of those who say we're hunky dory envisaged 77 deaths today. RIP. And deaths today will be in tomorrow's or Wednesday/Thursdays announcement.

Was gonna reply but you're banned

Funsterdelux · 20-04-2020 11:32PM

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

Luke 'go out and enjoy yourselves as normal' O'Neill.

Infairness he said he changed his tune as regards masks.

Though I would ban kids from supermarkets at the best of times.

Atlantic Dawn · 20-04-2020 11:34PM

Plenty of people heading supermarkets like a day out for The Waltons.

domrush · 20-04-2020 11:34PM

trapp wrote: »

And off we go again.

Another poster with not a clue.

Your post doesn't even make sense?

The graph produced today made little sense. A time lag on deaths mean the most recent days are always going to have the small numbers of deaths. Only two deaths were reported for the 20/4 in today’s figures, but an additional ten were added to deaths on the 11/4. The CMO has no way of knowing if deaths are going down if there is such a large delay in reporting. We could have 100 deaths next week all attributed to the 20/4.

take everything · 20-04-2020 11:37PM

RTE finally advise to definitely use a mask while out shopping on Claire Byrne.

I like Luke O Neill but why should I really heed stuff he's saying tonight like "children are fine in supermarkets", reusing masks, no need to wipe shopping when brought home, and telling Claire she put the mask on right when the bottom of it was above her chin FFS.

Last week he gave the opposite advice "no need for a mask" which he had to admit (I don't care if it was the advice then, he doesn't seem to use critical thinking at all).

As I say I like him, but these experts don't have a notion really.

take everything · 20-04-2020 11:38PM

RTE finally advise to definitely use a mask while out shopping on Claire Byrne.

I like Luke O Neill but why should I really heed stuff he's saying tonight like "children are fine in supermarkets", reusing masks, no need to wipe shopping when brought home, and telling Claire she put the mask on right when the bottom of it was above her chin FFS.

Last week he gave the opposite advice "no need for a mask" which he had to admit (I don't care if it was the advice then, he doesn't seem to use critical thinking at all).

As I say I like him, but these experts don't have a notion really.

fritzelly · 20-04-2020 11:39PM

take everything wrote: »

RTE finally advise to definitely use a mask while out shopping on Claire Byrne.

I like Luke O Neill but why should I really heed stuff he's saying tonight like "children are fine in supermarkets", reusing masks, no need to wipe shopping when brought home, and telling Claire she put the mask on right when the bottom of it was above her chin FFS.

Last week he gave the opposite advice "no need for a mask" which he had to admit (I don't care if it was the advice then, he doesn't seem to use critical thinking at all).

As I say I like him, but these experts don't have a notion really.

Was also laughing away on the LLS some weeks back saying we'll be grand in Ireland, don't be worrying about the virus

Arghus · 20-04-2020 11:39PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

He seems very sensible, with all round knowledge and very measured responses.

If anything he's a bit too polite.

The sociologist on Claire Byrne was determined to talk more than anyone else in the studio, even to the point of interrupting. Ahh, why can't we hear Sam talk about the science.

I caught him a week or two ago with Ivan Yates. There was some blustery blowhard - a hospital consultant from Cork - who thought it was all ridiculous and we were living in a police state. You could tell by the look on Sam's face that he thought your man was talking bollocks, but he was too much of a gent to challenge him.

political analyst · 20-04-2020 11:41PM

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19#The-new-coronavirus-is-mutating,-but-very-slowly

“Mutation. The word naturally conjures fears of unexpected and freakish changes,” researchers wrote in a reportTrusted Source published in Nature Microbiology in late February. “Ill-informed discussions of mutations thrive during virus outbreaks,” they continued, which is exactly what we’re seeing with SARS-CoV-2.

But mutations aren’t necessarily a bad thing. Every virus mutates; it’s part of the virus life cycle. Those shifts and changes aren’t always a big deal.

In some cases, those mutations may actually lead to a weaker virus. Usually, though, the changes are so slight that there’s no noticeable difference in the disease’s transmission and fatality rates.

take everything · 20-04-2020 11:43PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Was also laughing away on the LLS some weeks back saying we'll be grand in Ireland, don't be worrying about the virus

As I say, and as my mother would say, most of these experts don't have a ****ing clue really. I really do feel they just like being on the telly.

Your man, an immunologist not a breeze on him, doing a complete 180 on masks and only offering the lame "just following the standard advice" line when anyone with a couple of braincells could look critically at such advice and dismiss it.

Claire was worse not pressing him on this lack of critical thinking. This fella is a professor ffs

Arghus · 20-04-2020 11:44PM

I read somewhere that the virus probably isn't too bothered about mutation, because it's doing fine. It's spreading through the world like shyte through a goose!

fritzelly · 20-04-2020 11:46PM

Arghus wrote: »

I read somewhere that the virus probably isn't too bothered about mutation, because it's doing fine. It's spreading through the world like shyte through a goose!

Don't think viruses are conscious enough to know when to stop mutating

hmmm · 20-04-2020 11:47PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Dunno why it's hard for people to get this through their head - we don't exclude deaths of patients who died outside of the hospital

I wish we had a blanket ban on bull**** stats. They appear every 2 pages.

Arghus · 20-04-2020 11:47PM

take everything wrote: »

As I say, and as my mother would say, most of these experts don't have a ****ing clue really. I really do feel they just like being on the telly.

Your man, an immunologist not a breeze in him, doing a complete 180 on masks and only offering the lame "just following the standard advice" line when anyone with a couple of braincells could look critically at such advice and dismiss it.

Claire was worse not pressing him on this lack of critical thinking. This fella is a professor ffs

I like Luke O' Neill and all, but he always seems a bit flaky in his advice.

Claire didn't have the mask on anywhere near properly - yeah, yeah, perfect.

No need to worry about supermarkets, staff are very careful. I work in a Supermarket. Staff are not very careful.

Arghus · 20-04-2020 11:48PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Don't think viruses are conscious enough to know when to stop mutating

Poetic licence.

fritzelly · 20-04-2020 11:48PM

domrush wrote: »

The graph produced today made little sense. A time lag on deaths mean the most recent days are always going to have the small numbers of deaths. Only two deaths were reported for the 20/4 in today’s figures, but an additional ten were added to deaths on the 11/4. The CMO has no way of knowing if deaths are going down if there is such a large delay in reporting. We could have 100 deaths next week all attributed to the 20/4.

And he made the point the past few days are only known deaths at the moment and this will change (the red lines were the tell)

Roger_007 · 20-04-2020 11:50PM

domrush wrote: »

The graph produced today made little sense. A time lag on deaths mean the most recent days are always going to have the small numbers of deaths. Only two deaths were reported for the 20/4 in today’s figures, but an additional ten were added to deaths on the 11/4. The CMO has no way of knowing if deaths are going down if there is such a large delay in reporting. We could have 100 deaths next week all attributed to the 20/4.

If anyone was watching Newsnight tonight on BBC there was a very interesting chart showing the hospital deaths which are being supposedly reported on a daily up-to-date basis are not being reported that way. The chart showed the number of hospital deaths by date of death and it showed that the number of deaths peaked 11 or 12 days ago and is now at a much lower level than is being reported.
It looks like these stats are being massaged to justify government policy. There was a professor from Oxford University who claimed that the peak transmission rate for London occurred before the full lockdown was imposed and this was achieved by the measures which were in place before the lockdown.
At this stage I do not believe any stats.

wakka12 · 20-04-2020 11:53PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

If anyone was watching Newsnight tonight on BBC there was a very interesting chart showing the hospital deaths which are being supposedly reported on a daily up-to-date basis are not being reported that way. The chart showed the number of hospital deaths by date of death and it showed that the number of deaths peaked 11 or 12 days ago and is now at a much lower level than is being reported.
It looks like these stats are being massaged to justify government policy. There was a professor from Oxford University who claimed that the peak transmission rate for London occurred before the full lockdown was imposed and this was achieved by the measures which were in place before the lockdown.
At this stage I do not believe any stats.

Right, so why would they openly say the deaths were higher today because of a lag then if so

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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