Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Sober Crappy Chemis · 20-04-2020 07:45PM

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

Who'd want a medal from him? Is Tony your hero

He is a great man. Calm, intelligent and dignified.

He is a 1 to your 0.

Michael Dwyer · 20-04-2020 07:47PM

joe_99 wrote: »

You would know about it if it was the wrong direction. We are definitely on the right path

Right Joe. You want to be taken seriously.

How would 'we know if we were on the wrong path'?

Do you take everything the HSE says to you at face value? Do you think they are in control? Can anyone be in complete control of this.

This is the same HSE with a list of cockups as long as your arm over the last 20 years. Cervical cancer, smear test results etc. Do you call what's happening in our nursing homes the right path? Or like a few of the heroes here do you not value older people?

Some of the economy merchant posters here like easypees, greenleaves etc don't think much of the weak and vulnerable.

Easypees comment after 77 deaths and 400 new cases today was 'numbers are heading in the right direction'. Not an RIP, thought for families etc. Earlier he said who'd care if our figure went R1+ after partial opening up. He had to be reminded families of the dead would.

stephenjmcd · 20-04-2020 07:47PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Another stat from today's briefing, of the covid confirmed deaths to date, 605 have been people from either nursing homes or long term residental care homes, thats 88% of all covid confirmed deaths.

Mind blowing stat. Shows how much of a mess has been made of the sector

timsey tiger · 20-04-2020 07:47PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Another stat from today's briefing, of the covid confirmed deaths to date, 605 have been people from either nursing homes or long term residental care homes, thats 88% of all covid confirmed deaths.

This is an absolute outrage and a failure of our community. How could this have been let happen, when we had advance warning that these groups would be the most vulnerable and given that they were already grouped all together, the easiest to isolate.

Michael Dwyer · 20-04-2020 07:49PM

Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »

He is a great man. Calm, intelligent and dignified.

He is a 1 to your 0.

You're -1 and your avatar -10.

Yes he's calm and dignified. But is he any good? We'll find out in 6 mts. I'd prefer a competent bol*ox than 'nice'.

hmmm · 20-04-2020 07:51PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

This is an absolute outrage and a failure of our community. How could this have been let happen, when we had advance warning that these groups would be the most vulnerable and given that they were already grouped all together, the easiest to isolate.

Because this is a fast-moving crisis caused by a highly infectious virus, and everyone is exhausted from trying to manage it and the million places it could break out. Not everything could be prioritised. Don't start the captain hindsight stuff, every country in the world has struggled to deal with this virus and nursing homes. Even nursing homes with visiting restrictions have seen outbreaks, because it is coming in through staff.

As a country we've avoided becoming a Spain/Italy/France, we've signed early deals for PPE, and we've huge levels of testing for our size. We've also got control of community spread, and seem to have largely prevented spread within hospitals. These are all huge achievements.

Now our public health doctors (who haven't taken a break for 3 months) are focusing efforts into helping nursing homes.

spookwoman · 20-04-2020 07:53PM

Lot of people seem to have forgotten about the CervicalCheck scandal.

Jim_Hodge · 20-04-2020 07:54PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Lot of people seem to have forgotten about the CervicalCheck scandal.

Well, this is the Covid-19 thread

Redo91 · 20-04-2020 07:55PM

fred funk }{ wrote: »

I thought during the press conference last week, the guy in charge of the modeling said that the reproduction rate was somewhere between 0.7 and 1.0?

I thought this too! Fairly confused with that earlier post suggesting this isn’t the case.

Professor Moriarty · 20-04-2020 07:56PM

hmmm wrote: »

Because this is a fast-moving crisis caused by a highly infectious virus, and everyone is exhausted from trying to manage it and the million places it could break out. Not everything could be prioritised. Don't start the captain hindsight stuff, every country in the world has struggled to deal with this virus and nursing homes. Even nursing homes with visiting restrictions have seen outbreaks, because it is coming in through staff.

As a country we've avoided becoming a Spain/Italy/France, we've signed early deals for PPE, and we've huge levels of testing for our size. We've also got control of community spread, and seem to have largely prevented spread within hospitals. These are all huge achievements.

Now our public health doctors (who haven't taken a break for 3 months) are focusing efforts into helping nursing homes.

Our nursing home deaths are on a par with other countries.

keynes · 20-04-2020 07:57PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

This is an absolute outrage and a failure of our community. How could this have been let happen, when we had advance warning that these groups would be the most vulnerable and given that they were already grouped all together, the easiest to isolate.

Disgracefully, Harris refused to meet with nursing home reps until end of March. Meanwhile, Holohan was saying there was no need to restrict movements into nursing homes. This has been a public policy catastrophe

JDD · 20-04-2020 07:57PM

Okay fair enough, maybe they aren’t holding the figures back, but I’d like just one daily stat from the HSE that you can rely on for an indication of how well we are doing. I don’t get to see the press conference (working plus kids). Do they publish daily current numbers of new hospitalisations and admissions to the ICU? Or is it it just the overall cumulative numbers?

Sober Crappy Chemis · 20-04-2020 07:58PM

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

You're -1 and your avatar -10.

Yes he's calm and dignified. But is he any good? We'll find out in 6 mts. I'd prefer a competent bol*ox than 'nice'.

I assumed you knew I was speaking in binary and not integers.

Have a good life my limited friend.

spookwoman · 20-04-2020 07:58PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Well, this is the Covid-19 thread

Still same person

Cork Boy 53 · 20-04-2020 07:59PM

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

Right Joe. You want to be taken seriously.

How would 'we know if we were on the wrong path'?

Do you take everything the HSE says to you at face value? Do you think they are in control? Can anyone be in complete control of this.

This is the same HSE with a list of cockups as long as your arm over the last 20 years. Cervical cancer, smear test results etc. Do you call what's happening in our nursing homes the right path? Or like a few of the heroes here do you not value older people?

Some of the economy merchant posters here like easypees, greenleaves etc don't think much of the weak and vulnerable.

Easypees comment after 77 deaths and 400 new cases today was 'numbers are heading in the right direction'. Not an RIP, thought for families etc. Earlier he said who'd care if our figure went R1+ after partial opening up. He had to be reminded families of the dead would.

Indeed but there are much worse than him for posting these type of "think of the economy at all costs and **** the vulnerable" comments here.

hmmm · 20-04-2020 08:00PM

JDD wrote: »

Okay fair enough, maybe they aren’t holding the figures back, but I’d like just one daily stat from the HSE that you can rely on for an indication of how well we are doing. I don’t get to see the press conference (working plus kids). Do they publish daily current numbers of new hospitalisations and admissions to the ICU? Or is it it just the overall cumulative numbers?

They publish a couple of figures, including ICU and hospitalisations. ICU generally happens around 1 to 2 weeks after infection in the worst cases, and that has been dropping for a few days. That's a good indication we peaked around a week and a half ago.

This guy is compiling some good stats - https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1252299409297203200

Seamai · 20-04-2020 08:01PM

FVP3 wrote: »

77 is fairly atrocious at this stage.

No matter what sort of positive spin some are trying to put on it, it's pretty shocking.

tayto lover · 20-04-2020 08:01PM

Awful news that 77 more people have succumbed to Covid19.
Our nursing homes seem to have been hit very severely.
RIP to all.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-04-2020 08:02PM

keynes wrote: »

Disgracefully, Harris refused to meet with nursing home reps until end of March. Meanwhile, Holohan was saying there was no need to restrict movements into nursing homes. This has been a public policy catastrophe

The same can be said of every single other country. Not sure what the complaint is.

Michael Dwyer · 20-04-2020 08:02PM

Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »

I assumed you knew I was speaking in binary and not integers.

Have a good life my limited friend.

Have a good life..just plain limited.

2ndcoming · 20-04-2020 08:03PM

Maths is hard. To the untrained eye back when we had 300 cases on top of 3000 it seemed like we "were still doing well", when in reality we had a growth rate of 10% per day or thereabouts. Today it's down to about 2.5%. If we had even maintained the course we were on like a lot of places did we would have had 1600 new cases today. (Actually at 10% per day we'd be in the 10s of thousands new cases today! - edit)

Every death is tragic but we have about 294 serious / critical cases, many of whom will die and we have to accept that. Add to that the very elderly who couldn't hold off more than a couple of days if they got it and we will probably see 200-300 more deaths if we didn't have a single new case from tomorrow on. We have to expect that and accept it.

When these new deaths are reported doesn't really make a difference, they will happen either way. What matters is new ICU admissions and new cases.

overkill602 · 20-04-2020 08:03PM

as someone who has acted responsibly it doesn't feel like we are getting anywhere just being told how it could be much worse big sacrifices by some maybe ports and still open wrong only to truck and freight more lockdown appetite fading

MipMap · 20-04-2020 08:04PM

JDD wrote: »

Okay fair enough, maybe they aren’t holding the figures back, but I’d like just one daily stat from the HSE that you can rely on for an indication of how well we are doing. I don’t get to see the press conference (working plus kids). Do they publish daily current numbers of new hospitalisations and admissions to the ICU? Or is it it just the overall cumulative numbers?

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/#daily-updates

also

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

Sober Crappy Chemis · 20-04-2020 08:05PM

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

Have a good life..just plain limited.

U ok hun?

FrToddUnctious · 20-04-2020 08:05PM

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

Easypees comment after 77 deaths and 400 new cases today was 'numbers are heading in the right direction'. Not an RIP, thought for families etc. Earlier he said who'd care if our figure went R1+ after partial opening up. He had to be reminded families of the dead would.

But the numbers are heading in the right direction?

Mic 1972 · 20-04-2020 08:05PM

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

Right Joe. You want to be taken seriously.

How would 'we know if we were on the wrong path'?

Do you take everything the HSE says to you at face value? Do you think they are in control? Can anyone be in complete control of this.

This is the same HSE with a list of cockups as long as your arm over the last 20 years. Cervical cancer, smear test results etc. Do you call what's happening in our nursing homes the right path? Or like a few of the heroes here do you not value older people?

Some of the economy merchant posters here like easypees, greenleaves etc don't think much of the weak and vulnerable.

Easypees comment after 77 deaths and 400 new cases today was 'numbers are heading in the right direction'. Not an RIP, thought for families etc. Earlier he said who'd care if our figure went R1+ after partial opening up. He had to be reminded families of the dead would.

Perfectly said

dundalkfc10 · 20-04-2020 08:09PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The same can be said of every single other country. Not sure what the complaint is.

Ah yeh sure every other country done it so its not ok to complain that the Govt have basically left old people in Nursing Homes to die.

Did New Zealand etc ignore the nursing homes?

Mic 1972 · 20-04-2020 08:10PM

joe_99 wrote: »

You would know about it if it was the wrong direction. We are definitely on the right path

LOL
definitely chief

hmmm · 20-04-2020 08:11PM

overkill602 wrote: »

as someone who has acted responsibly it doesn't feel like we are getting anywhere

Our number of infections are decreasing, that's certain - and have been for probably a week and a half. Stick with it.

Deaths will increase for another week or so, because unfortunately it takes 3/4 weeks for people to die from this if they are going to do so. So the deaths you are seeing now are mostly people who got infected weeks ago.

Michael Dwyer · 20-04-2020 08:12PM

Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »

U ok hun?

I'd say 'hun' you're the one who probably isn't ok.

Look, take care of yourself. Don't be worrying about me

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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