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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭Upforthematch


    easypazz wrote: »
    We are moving in the right direction.

    I know you want lockdown until 2021, but its not going to happen.

    For how long have we been moving in the right direction?

    It feels like you say this everyday regardless of the figures.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    joe_99 wrote: »
    A lot of countries are not reporting nursing home deaths. These are the same countries many here are championing as doing a great job in comparison to Ireland. Measure us the same as them and we'd be looking great too.

    So it’s a competition?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    Ah look, what they did was stupid. It looked a bit stupid at the time, a lot more so in hindsight.

    But the amount of times I'm seeing them referenced on here whenever there is bad news is nonsense.

    They're the go-to group whenever people want to feel morally superior. I suppose every crisis/bad situation needs a pantomime villain.

    not feeling any moral superiority today, just sad

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    Jesus Christ. The Cheltenham crowd are the new garlic man or bankers.

    They knew there was a serious problem with a killer epidemic mid March, and yet they hopped on their planes took it back with them and killed innocent people. Totally selfish ****ers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Was that the UK nurse?

    Yes she was working to save lives and I'm sure there are a lot of older Irish nurses and Drs doing the same.


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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I didn't give an update on Friday as planned as I thought it was better to wait until the promised clearing of the back log occurred. Thats happened now and we are more-or-less in a real-time reporting state from this point on which is fantastic.

    There have been a further 77 deaths and 401 new cases reported for a total of 15,652 cases.

    510351.png

    The r value is now starting to drop lower and faster than previous, with a rate of 1.026 for today, and a 7 day rate of 1.057. The 5 day rate of 1.045 is better again too. This shows that we are almost at the peak and have effectively avoided a large scale surge in cases.

    510352.png

    The next 2 charts show the current situation and a projection out 14 days. The next 4-5 days will tell a lot in terms of dropping below an r value of 1 and will have a big effect on both of these charts in terms of overall cases and daily reported cases.

    510353.png

    510354.png

    Lastly, the county by county breakdown. I'm honestly baffled by Cavan. It has the 2nd highest rate per 10k population after Dublin. I'm sure there is some valid explanation for it but it is strange to see it so high.

    510355.png

    Province County Total Cases Rate per 10k 2016 Population Population Density
    Leinster Dublin 7,666 57 1,347,359 1,459.20
    Ulster Cavan 401 53 76,176 39.3
    Leinster Westmeath 369 42 88,770 48.2
    Leinster Kildare 817 37 222,504 131
    Leinster Louth 437 34 128,884 155.4
    Leinster Wicklow 444 31 142,425 70.2
    Ulster Monaghan 187 30 61,386 47.3
    Leinster Meath 513 26 195,044 83.2
    Connacht Mayo 332 25 130,507 23.3
    Leinster Offaly 190 24 77,961 38.9
    Ulster Donegal 383 24 159,192 32.6
    Leinster Longford 91 22 40,873 37.4
    Leinster Kilkenny 206 21 99,232 47.8
    Munster Limerick 401 21 194,899 70.8
    Leinster Laois 170 20 84,697 49.3
    Munster Cork 1047 19 542,868 72.3
    Munster Tipperary 300 19 159,553 37.2
    Munster Kerry 268 18 147,707 30.7
    Connacht Leitrim 49 15 32,044 20.1
    Connacht Roscommon 91 14 64,544 25.3
    Leinster Carlow 78 14 56,932 63.4
    Munster Clare 160 13 118,817 34.4
    Connacht Sligo 78 12 65,535 35.5
    Connacht Galway 294 11 258,058 42
    Munster Waterford 113 10 116,176 62.7
    Leinster Wexford 100 7 149,722 63.2


    In summary, it looks like we are finally turning a corner on this but its still not clear at what speed we will get around that corner. My hope is that we would start to see the r value drop below 1 by next weekend but as I mentioned earlier, the next few days will tell a lot given that it'll be the first time we'll be see the case number in almost real-time.

    Whatever happens, don't expect the lockdown to be lifted any time soon. To put things into context;
    • Ireland identified its first case on Feb 29
    • Passed 10 cases on 05-Mar, 5 days later.
    • Took another 3 days for the next 10.
    • Schools, colleges and childcare facilities instructed to close on 12-Mar
    • 27 new cases reported on that day
    • Passed 100 cases on 14-Mar, 9 days later.
    • Took 2 days for the next 100.
    • Passed 1,000 cases on 23-Mar, 9 days later.
    • Took another 4 days to break the next 1,000 mark
    • Stay at home instruction to the population on 27-Mar
    • 302 cases reported that day
    • Passed 10,000 cases on 13-Apr, 21 days later.
    • Likely to break the next 10,000 before Sunday

    While we may start to see the daily case numbers dropping, it'll be a while before they get low enough to be at a safe level.

    Finally, the modelling data presented on 16-Apr suggests that there are modifications required to the released data but updated data has not been released outside of this presentation. If it gets released, I'll update everything accordingly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    They knew there was a serious problem with a killer epidemic mid March, and yet they hopped on their planes took it back with them and killed innocent people. Totally selfish ****ers.

    dramatise much?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,096 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    For how long have we been moving in the right direction?

    It feels like you say this everyday regardless of the figures.

    Reality has no effect on easypazz.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    So it’s a competition?

    Thanks. That's my point. I have been saying for weeks. It's not a competition. Never compare countries. I'm blue in the face saying it. Qué post we are as bad as Spain.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    I’d love to see a breakdown of countries overall and breakdown of figures for big cities.

    And then cross compare the big cities and equally Compare countries numbers without cities. Many countries seem to have at least one massive cluster comparative to the rest of the country. I suppose population density is probably the biggest factor but surely there are other things we can learn.

    And then strip out nursing homes or similar sections of society. This would help determine what sort of areas are actually spreading quicker as opposed to hypothetically guessing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    They knew there was a serious problem with a killer epidemic mid March, and yet they hopped on their planes took it back with them and killed innocent people. Totally selfish ****ers.

    Yes, personal responsibility should come into it here. If that was me with a trip booked for abroad, I would cancel. To hell about losing money on flights or other expenditure like accommodation.
    Our government was at fault for not stepping up sooner and issuing travel bans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    I didn't give an update on Friday as planned as I thought it was better to wait until the promised clearing of the back log occurred. Thats happened now and we are more-or-less in a real-time reporting state from this point on which is fantastic.

    There have been a further 77 deaths and 401 new cases reported for a total of 15,652 cases.

    510351.png

    The r value is now starting to drop lower and faster than previous, with a rate of 1.026 for today, and a 7 day rate of 1.057. The 5 day rate of 1.045 is better again too. This shows that we are almost at the peak and have effectively avoided a large scale surge in cases.

    510352.png

    The next 2 charts show the current situation and a projection out 14 days. The next 4-5 days will tell a lot in terms of dropping below an r value of 1 and will have a big effect on both of these charts in terms of overall cases and daily reported cases.

    510353.png

    510354.png

    Lastly, the county by county breakdown. I'm honestly baffled by Cavan. It has the 2nd highest rate per 10k population after Dublin. I'm sure there is some valid explanation for it but it is strange to see it so high.

    510355.png

    Province County Total Cases Rate per 10k 2016 Population Population Density
    Leinster Dublin 7,666 57 1,347,359 1,459.20
    Ulster Cavan 401 53 76,176 39.3
    Leinster Westmeath 369 42 88,770 48.2
    Leinster Kildare 817 37 222,504 131
    Leinster Louth 437 34 128,884 155.4
    Leinster Wicklow 444 31 142,425 70.2
    Ulster Monaghan 187 30 61,386 47.3
    Leinster Meath 513 26 195,044 83.2
    Connacht Mayo 332 25 130,507 23.3
    Leinster Offaly 190 24 77,961 38.9
    Ulster Donegal 383 24 159,192 32.6
    Leinster Longford 91 22 40,873 37.4
    Leinster Kilkenny 206 21 99,232 47.8
    Munster Limerick 401 21 194,899 70.8
    Leinster Laois 170 20 84,697 49.3
    Munster Cork 1047 19 542,868 72.3
    Munster Tipperary 300 19 159,553 37.2
    Munster Kerry 268 18 147,707 30.7
    Connacht Leitrim 49 15 32,044 20.1
    Connacht Roscommon 91 14 64,544 25.3
    Leinster Carlow 78 14 56,932 63.4
    Munster Clare 160 13 118,817 34.4
    Connacht Sligo 78 12 65,535 35.5
    Connacht Galway 294 11 258,058 42
    Munster Waterford 113 10 116,176 62.7
    Leinster Wexford 100 7 149,722 63.2


    In summary, it looks like we are finally turning a corner on this but its still not clear at what speed we will get around that corner. My hope is that we would start to see the r value drop below 1 by next weekend but as I mentioned earlier, the next few days will tell a lot given that it'll be the first time we'll be see the case number in almost real-time.

    Whatever happens, don't expect the lockdown to be lifted any time soon. To put things into context;
    • Ireland identified its first case on Feb 29
    • Passed 10 cases on 05-Mar, 5 days later.
    • Took another 3 days for the next 10.
    • Schools, colleges and childcare facilities instructed to close on 12-Mar
    • 27 new cases reported on that day
    • Passed 100 cases on 14-Mar, 9 days later.
    • Took 2 days for the next 100.
    • Passed 1,000 cases on 23-Mar, 9 days later.
    • Took another 4 days to break the next 1,000 mark
    • Stay at home instruction to the population on 27-Mar
    • 302 cases reported that day
    • Passed 10,000 cases on 13-Apr, 21 days later.
    • Likely to break the next 10,000 before Sunday

    While we may start to see the daily case numbers dropping, it'll be a while before they get low enough to be at a safe level.

    Finally, the modelling data presented on 16-Apr suggests that there are modifications required to the released data but updated data has not been released outside of this presentation. If it gets released, I'll update everything accordingly.

    Great charts. Thank you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    easypazz wrote: »
    dramatise much?

    Nope, not even close. I hope there is going to be a deep dive into these 20,000 people when it's all over. Shame on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,096 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Cheltenham crowd are just wastes of skin and space. Incredible selfishness and incredible stupidity rolled into one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭uncleoswald


    joe_99 wrote: »
    A lot of countries are not reporting nursing home deaths. These are the same countries many here are championing as doing a great job in comparison to Ireland. Measure us the same as them and we'd be looking great too.
    I agree with you main point. Just pointing to another country and saying Ireland is doing 'worse' than them is moronic without knowing how they are reporting or testing, and without knowing if they were on the same pandemic timeframe as we were. Some countries will have just got 'lucky' and the world will have shut done before the virus was able to really take hold there so their numbers will look better even though they didn't have to do much to achieve them.

    But maybe tone down the 'looking great' sort of language on a day that 77 people were reported to have died.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Yes, personal responsibility should come into it here. If that was me with a trip booked for abroad, I would cancel. To hell about losing money on flights or other expenditure like accommodation.
    Our government was at fault for not stepping up sooner and issuing travel bans.

    hard to know what was worse, the Italians who were allowed to travel here from the hardest hit region of Europe or the Irish who travelled to Cheltenham, I know who feels more guilty right now though

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Michael Dwyer


    easypazz wrote: »
    Nice sermon, but all the trends are showing the bit in bold is incorrect.

    I wouldn't mind 'teaching' you a few home truths in real life.

    The trends aren't. One day of lower cases doesn't make a trend. Deaths have averaged around 40 a day for the last 10 days.

    You have no trends, you have no heart, you have nothing. One thing you have is the luck I'm not facing you at this moment in time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭donaghs


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    The UK still fine it went ahead

    Cheltnam was in the UK, obviously. Interesting that deaths in the UK, Spain, Sweden, pretty much everywhere are on a downward trend. What’s going on in Ireland? Is there no correlation here between when people die, and when daily deaths are reported?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    For how long have we been moving in the right direction?

    It feels like you say this everyday regardless of the figures.

    You would know about it if it was the wrong direction. We are definitely on the right path


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Definitely seeing more folk out and about who, let's say, just don't look like family members, more like groups of friends out and about.

    Understandable in ways as time goes on, but disappointing in terms of the potential impact. Hopefully the community transmission is low enough now that once people still social distance, it shouldn't have a big impact.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Have just caught wind of a birthday party BBQ being planned for May 10th.... flabbergasted!

    Do people actually think the restrictions will be lifted on the 5th?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    So looking at that graph, whatever case may be made for an easing of the restrictions in many parts of the country after 5th May, I think Dublin and surrounding counties will have to remain with current restrictions in place for at least another few weeks after that date. Even taking into account the population difference the contrast in reported deaths between the East and the rest of the country is literally off the scale.


    Wouldn't necessarily disagree with you (re lockdown extended in Dublin region but relaxed elsewhere) but would hospital concentration skew the figures somewhat? More people from midland regions being transferred to Dublin hospitals and dying there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Cheltenham crowd are just wastes of skin and space. Incredible selfishness and incredible stupidity rolled into one.

    They hide behind all kinds of spin but they knew exactly what they where doing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    I wouldn't mind 'teaching' you a few home truths in real life.

    The trends aren't. One day of lower cases doesn't make a trend. Deaths have averaged around 40 a day for the last 10 days.

    You have no trends, you have no heart, you have nothing. One thing you have is the luck I'm not facing you at this moment in time.

    You are such a hard man of the internet.

    Fact is the key trends are getting better. No amount of threatening people will change that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    donaghs wrote: »
    Cheltnam was in the UK, obviously. Interesting that deaths in the UK, Spain, Sweden, pretty much everywhere are on a downward trend. What’s going on in Ireland? Is there no correlation here between when people die, and when daily deaths are reported?

    There is a delay in deaths being reported to HSE for various reasons


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,228 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Cheltenham crowd are just wastes of skin and space. Incredible selfishness and incredible stupidity rolled into one.

    I suppose our skiers who had to visit Italy are too :p

    I don't understand why anyone would travel anywhere from end of February start of March given how fast this virus was spreading


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    We obviously have a lot of posters who don't value the elderly and belittle nursing home deaths.

    They don't seem to realise they more than likely will finish their days in care too.

    Some of the posts are just cowardly, they wouldn't dare say that to a group of people in real life for fear of the consequences. On here they can be heroes in their petty little minds.

    No one wants perpetual lockdown. Most are realists. They know we won't be in shape for any opening up in a fortnight.

    You judge a society, especially a democracy, on how it treats its weak and vulnerable.

    There are horrible circumstances in nursing homes and there should be major accountablity when all this is done. But, nursing homes for the most part(now anway) are confined environments, So what you perceive as belittling is infact an attempt to remark on what this virus is doing among the general population as a whole and the knockon effect on the restrictions imposed on us. Any remark on positive signs in this regard get repeatedly shot down here by "how dare you dismiss all the deaths, nursing homes etc. ".

    There could be 50-100s of death per day in nursing home there could be 0 , it still wouldnt be much of an indicator of what the virus is doing throughout in country as a whole.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Sad sad day. RIP to all.

    Grpahs amd tables dont tell the story of the human suffering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I wouldn't mind 'teaching' you a few home truths in real life.

    The trends aren't. One day of lower cases doesn't make a trend. Deaths have averaged around 40 a day for the last 10 days.

    You have no trends, you have no heart, you have nothing. One thing you have is the luck I'm not facing you at this moment in time.

    Tony Holohan will pin a medal on your chest. Bravery in the face of invisible enemies.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Michael Dwyer


    easypazz wrote: »
    You are such a hard man of the internet.

    Fact is the key trends are getting better. No amount of threatening people will change that.

    You know what you are. Must be hard to live with cowardice.


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