EV dreamers (opposite of bargains)

ELM327 · 16-04-2020 9:33am #1

Here's an idea for a thread, lets see if it takes off. Theres an equivalent in the main motors forum for ICE cars.

Dreamers.

Overpriced EV for sale currently. I'll start with this:
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-soul-electric-high-spec-low-mileage-here-a/22866095

The old model Kia Soul, with similar range and battery (and chademo) to the leaf 30. For sale for €30k, when the new model on 201 plates is similar priced with much better everything!

copeyhagen · 16-04-2020 11:03am

every model s from an irish dealer.

ELM327 · 16-04-2020 11:05am

copeyhagen wrote: »

every model s from an irish dealer.

Yes I think this thread would be filled with teslas in Ireland very quickly!

unkel · 16-04-2020 11:44am

Almost €40k for a medium range second hand Nissan Leaf from last year? Even if it was brand new, that would be thousands and thousands too much. Decent car and all if you don't need much fast charging, but for that money you could have a long range much more modern brand new car like a Kia eNiro. Or for a few grand more you'd have a brand new Tesla Model 3.

Linky

slave1 · 16-04-2020 11:52am

That link is to a new 62kw Leaf

ELM327 · 16-04-2020 11:54am

It is but it's too expensive still. You could bring in a 2019 M3 SR+ for that 40k

unkel · 16-04-2020 12:00pm

It says 2019 in the ad. But yeah, it looks like that's a mistake and they mean a new car. Not bad for about €32k-33k, but for nearly EUR40k it's insane money.

No wonder this Leaf without a battery :eek: with an asking price of EUR2,600 is not selling. Worth no more than a grand in my book. Maybe a bit more for someone looking for a specific expensive part they can't get elsewhere who doesn't mind further parting the car out. Unmarried fellas only need apply :pac:

Linky

Then the also not selling Renault Fluence ZE for EUR3,600

Linky

I like these cars. I have a weakness for them. Maybe because they remind me of the idealistic but flawed and thus failed plans from better place. With the claimed EUR49 a month battery lease (is it even that low?), I wouldn't even pay a grand for it. Without lease it would be worth close to the asking price alright. Ideal second family car for someone who only needs a very short range (no more than 50-60km in winter) and would never need to fast charge...

Dardania · 19-04-2020 9:08am

unkel wrote: »

It says 2019 in the ad. But yeah, it looks like that's a mistake and they mean a new car. Not bad for about €32k-33k, but for nearly EUR40k it's insane money.

No wonder this Leaf without a battery :eek: with an asking price of EUR2,600 is not selling. Worth no more than a grand in my book. Maybe a bit more for someone looking for a specific expensive part they can't get elsewhere who doesn't mind further parting the car out. Unmarried fellas only need apply :pac:

Linky

Then the also not selling Renault Fluence ZE for EUR3,600

Linky

I like these cars. I have a weakness for them. Maybe because they remind me of the idealistic but flawed and thus failed plans from better place. With the claimed EUR49 a month battery lease (is it even that low?), I wouldn't even pay a grand for it. Without lease it would be worth close to the asking price alright. Ideal second family car for someone who only needs a very short range (no more than 50-60km in winter) and would never need to fast charge...

That leaf could be interesting to get to that battery crowd in the Netherlands. Great basic platform of a car (albeit that year wouldn't have a heat pump)

unkel · 19-04-2020 11:31am

Dardania wrote: »

That leaf could be interesting to get to that battery crowd in the Netherlands

Get the car over there and pay at least €5k for the install of a battery? That will then have no warranty? I don't think so. Much better idea to just get a Leaf with a battery here. €7k for a 2015 Leaf with the newer battery chemistry as posted by myself in the bargains thread.

Black_Knight · 19-04-2020 11:54am

2019 Ioniq for a shade under €31k. Dream on Kearys. UK reg, but without any of the benefits (actually i'd value it cheaper given it's stuck in miles rather than kilometers)
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-premium-fully-sanitized/24437065

Fully sanitized. Big whoop. :rolleyes:

Black_Knight · 19-04-2020 12:03pm

Also, any car Mooney Deansgrange are selling

Black_Knight · 19-04-2020 12:03pm

This 2017 Ioniq. 100k km on it, and looking for €23k!

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2017-hyundai-other-hyundai/24109913

unkel · 19-04-2020 12:22pm

Kearys seem be dreaming all over the shop. Who in their right mind would pay over €16k for an out of manufacturer's warranty 2016 low spec Leaf when for just a few grand more you can have a high spec 2017 Ioniq with 2 years bumper to bumper warranty left?

Linky

Black_Knight · 19-04-2020 12:25pm

unkel wrote: »

Kearys seem be dreaming all over the shop. Who in their right mind would pay over €16k for an out of manufacturer's warranty 2016 low spec Leaf when for just a few grand more you can have a high spec 2017 Ioniq with 2 years bumper to bumper warranty left?

Linky

Not even sanitized! :pac:

unkel · 20-04-2020 2:24pm

€20,440 for an old Model Leaf that's now out of manufacturer's warranty. LOL!

Linky

"THIS CAR WILL GIVE YOU THE CHEAPEST MOTORING POSSIBLE!"

Not with that price it won't :rolleyes:

Kramer · 21-04-2020 7:36pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

2019 Ioniq for a shade under €31k. Dream on Kearys. UK reg, but without any of the benefits (actually i'd value it cheaper given it's stuck in miles rather than kilometers)
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-premium-fully-sanitized/24437065

Fully sanitized. Big whoop. :rolleyes:

There's now a '19 Ioniq on there available for over €6k less :eek:.

Guy:Incognito · 21-04-2020 7:40pm

Would screenshots be better? (hosted on a 3rd party site maybe if its clogging boards otherwise) . Gets very frustrating in threads full of links where 99% of them just lead to the "sorry, this car is sold/removed/etc"

unkel · 21-04-2020 7:50pm

Kramer wrote: »

There's now a '19 Ioniq on there available for over €6k less :eek:.

Ah, yours (your missus') I see!

That's a reasonable asking price for a 2019 car. You can of course buy a 2017 for another 5k less, but that's not a huge saving for a car 2 years older. Black is a nice colour on them in the flesh and the wrap and tint make it even better

The next owner is going to get a lot of EV for their money. Ioniq EV (28kWh) is an excellent car

What is she getting next?

Kramer · 21-04-2020 8:11pm

unkel wrote: »

Ah, yours (your missus') I see!

Yep

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unkel wrote: »

What is she getting next?

Diesel Duster

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We're not sure for now, few things happening at present......I'd say she'd nearly take your Model S though if you'd take a monkey profit for it?

ELM327 · 27-04-2020 9:30am

Mooneys is a hilarious spot altogether

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-ev-sv-with-cold-pack-30kw-electric-ba/24137623

Round Cable · 27-04-2020 9:33am

ELM327 wrote: »

Mooneys is a hilarious spot altogether

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-ev-sv-with-cold-pack-30kw-electric-ba/24137623

Yes, that cold pack is really worth €7k, they are dreaming alright.

ELM327 · 06-07-2020 3:22pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-x-3-0-litre-electric/24414775

2018 100D model x for more money than a new raven equivalent

unkel · 06-07-2020 3:28pm

Sure he was looking for EUR120k for that car a few months ago. Wonder why it hasn't sold

Black_Knight · 06-07-2020 3:31pm

Ah yes, the rare 3.0 litre model X.

Pekarirska · 06-07-2020 5:11pm

unkel wrote: »

€20,440 for an old Model Leaf that's now out of manufacturer's warranty. LOL!

Linky

"THIS CAR WILL GIVE YOU THE CHEAPEST MOTORING POSSIBLE!"

Not with that price it won't :rolleyes:

171WH1890

€8k sales markup. Well done Mullingar Nissan

unkel · 06-07-2020 5:56pm

They've taken EUR500 off the asking price. They're gonna have to do the same many more times before anyone buys it

ELM327 · 06-07-2020 5:58pm

I mean, you'll always lose on a trade in and there's always a mark up. But 8k is too much!

unkel · 06-07-2020 5:59pm

And how about a EUR42,400 Leaf - that's almost Tesla money

Linky

ELM327 · 06-07-2020 6:02pm

unkel wrote: »

And how about a EUR42,400 Leaf - that's almost Tesla money

Linky

If that was delivered to my front door by Amanda Seyfried and Laura Prepon engaged in a romantic and scantily clad embrace, I'd still prefer a Tesla at that price.

Dardania · 08-07-2020 9:06am

ELM327 wrote: »

If that was delivered to my front door by Amanda Seyfried and Laura Prepon engaged in a romantic and scantily clad embrace, I'd still prefer a Tesla at that price.

Oddly specific - have you put much thought into this?!

ELM327 · 08-07-2020 9:56am

Dardania wrote: »

Oddly specific - have you put much thought into this?!

Yes, yes I have.
Lockdown does strange things. As does binge watching that 70s show on netflix.

ewj1978 · 12-07-2020 6:56am

"Price includes €5000 SEAI grant deduction for private individuals."

and what about the other 5k for VRT rebate?

graememk · 12-07-2020 9:42am

ewj1978 wrote: »

"Price includes €5000 SEAI grant deduction for private individuals."

and what about the other 5k for VRT rebate?

The vrt rebate is included, Business buyers don't get the seai grant so if a business bought it it would be 5k more.

The garage that I got my eNiro from is also a Nissan one, so ended up getting details on the leaf 62 as well and i think it was actually more than the eNiro for the high spec one.

Black_Knight · 31-07-2020 2:34pm

Nothing shouts "buy me" like a ****ting dog

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-60d-high-end/25332161

ELM327 · 31-07-2020 2:34pm

Best color from tesla IMO but way overpriced

Black_Knight · 31-07-2020 2:38pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Best color from tesla IMO but way overpriced

Seats and steering wheel look God awful to me

krissovo · 31-07-2020 2:38pm

Out of interest what would a reasonable price for that model S be?

liamog · 31-07-2020 2:40pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Best color from tesla IMO but way overpriced

I think its a crappy deal

Black_Knight · 31-07-2020 2:50pm

krissovo wrote: »

Out of interest what would a reasonable price for that model S be?

Could probably get a 2016 90D from Tesla with warranty for ~48k into Ireland. Might be white, or might be pre facelift, but you'd be talking around that.

2017 75 (not dual as his ad indicates) are around 45k into Ireland. Knock ~2-3k off for warranty (think that's usually about the difference) is around 42k. Convenience of being in Ireland... add 1k. So... vs a CPO, 43k maybe?

Black_Knight · 31-07-2020 2:51pm

liamog wrote: »

I think its a crappy deal

ZING!

ELM327 · 31-07-2020 3:06pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Could probably get a 2016 90D from Tesla with warranty for ~48k into Ireland. Might be white, or might be pre facelift, but you'd be talking around that.

2017 75 (not dual as his ad indicates) are around 45k into Ireland. Knock ~2-3k off for warranty (think that's usually about the difference) is around 42k. Convenience of being in Ireland... add 1k. So... vs a CPO, 43k maybe?

If I were selling my 2016 S90D facelift , same color as his but the black interior, I'd be looking at a similar price to his asking.

That's how off his price is.

jhegarty · 31-07-2020 3:57pm

Hey at least he isn't still looking for €52,500.

It does however have "motor". An important thing to specify in a car ad.

Black_Knight · 06-08-2020 12:23pm

Year old Niro for €1k ? less than I was new last year. €37900

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-niro-electric-niro/25572224
Judging by the video title they had it for sale back in December at 39900.

Black_Knight · 29-09-2020 10:12pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-208-eallure-100kw-136-4dr-auto/25983044

201 reg Peugeot e208 Allure for a whopping saving of "delivery and additional charges may apply".

€28,470 new, or €28,500 used.

garo · 01-10-2020 7:59pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-85kwh-d-m-panormaic-sunroof/25775430

Reduced from 62,950!!

ELM327 · 01-10-2020 8:18pm

Wow that is like 10k overpriced minimum

jhegarty · 01-10-2020 8:49pm

2019 Model 3 with 16,000 km done.

Clearly worth €1,168 more than the same car brand new.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-3-standard-range-plus-ceramic-coating/26098768

Black_Knight · 01-10-2020 10:07pm

jhegarty wrote: »

2019 Model 3 with 16,000 km done.

Clearly worth €1,168 more than the same car brand new.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-3-standard-range-plus-ceramic-coating/26098768

They've gone through all the hassle of pointing out all the flaws to Tesla and having them fixed for ya.

jhegarty · 01-10-2020 10:33pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

They've gone through all the hassle of pointing out all the flaws to Tesla and having them fixed for ya.

That's fair. I'll move it to the bargain thread.

ELM327 · 02-10-2020 9:50am

It's not even a 2020 plate!

graememk · 24-11-2020 11:41am

The mutant leaf - https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2012-43-kwh-battery/26603251

EV dreamers (opposite of bargains)

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