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EV dreamers (opposite of bargains)

  • 16-04-2020 8:33am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭


    Here's an idea for a thread, lets see if it takes off. Theres an equivalent in the main motors forum for ICE cars.


    Dreamers.


    Overpriced EV for sale currently. I'll start with this:
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-soul-electric-high-spec-low-mileage-here-a/22866095


    The old model Kia Soul, with similar range and battery (and chademo) to the leaf 30. For sale for €30k, when the new model on 201 plates is similar priced with much better everything!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    every model s from an irish dealer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    every model s from an irish dealer.
    Yes I think this thread would be filled with teslas in Ireland very quickly! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Almost €40k for a medium range second hand Nissan Leaf from last year? Even if it was brand new, that would be thousands and thousands too much. Decent car and all if you don't need much fast charging, but for that money you could have a long range much more modern brand new car like a Kia eNiro. Or for a few grand more you'd have a brand new Tesla Model 3.

    Linky


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    That link is to a new 62kw Leaf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It is but it's too expensive still. You could bring in a 2019 M3 SR+ for that 40k


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    It says 2019 in the ad. But yeah, it looks like that's a mistake and they mean a new car. Not bad for about €32k-33k, but for nearly EUR40k it's insane money.

    No wonder this Leaf without a battery :eek: with an asking price of EUR2,600 is not selling. Worth no more than a grand in my book. Maybe a bit more for someone looking for a specific expensive part they can't get elsewhere who doesn't mind further parting the car out. Unmarried fellas only need apply :pac:

    Linky


    Then the also not selling Renault Fluence ZE for EUR3,600

    Linky

    I like these cars. I have a weakness for them. Maybe because they remind me of the idealistic but flawed and thus failed plans from better place. With the claimed EUR49 a month battery lease (is it even that low?), I wouldn't even pay a grand for it. Without lease it would be worth close to the asking price alright. Ideal second family car for someone who only needs a very short range (no more than 50-60km in winter) and would never need to fast charge...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Dardania


    unkel wrote: »
    It says 2019 in the ad. But yeah, it looks like that's a mistake and they mean a new car. Not bad for about €32k-33k, but for nearly EUR40k it's insane money.

    No wonder this Leaf without a battery :eek: with an asking price of EUR2,600 is not selling. Worth no more than a grand in my book. Maybe a bit more for someone looking for a specific expensive part they can't get elsewhere who doesn't mind further parting the car out. Unmarried fellas only need apply :pac:

    Linky


    Then the also not selling Renault Fluence ZE for EUR3,600

    Linky

    I like these cars. I have a weakness for them. Maybe because they remind me of the idealistic but flawed and thus failed plans from better place. With the claimed EUR49 a month battery lease (is it even that low?), I wouldn't even pay a grand for it. Without lease it would be worth close to the asking price alright. Ideal second family car for someone who only needs a very short range (no more than 50-60km in winter) and would never need to fast charge...

    That leaf could be interesting to get to that battery crowd in the Netherlands. Great basic platform of a car (albeit that year wouldn't have a heat pump)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Dardania wrote: »
    That leaf could be interesting to get to that battery crowd in the Netherlands

    Get the car over there and pay at least €5k for the install of a battery? That will then have no warranty? I don't think so. Much better idea to just get a Leaf with a battery here. €7k for a 2015 Leaf with the newer battery chemistry as posted by myself in the bargains thread.


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    2019 Ioniq for a shade under €31k. Dream on Kearys. UK reg, but without any of the benefits (actually i'd value it cheaper given it's stuck in miles rather than kilometers)
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-premium-fully-sanitized/24437065

    Fully sanitized. Big whoop. :rolleyes:


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Also, any car Mooney Deansgrange are selling


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  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    This 2017 Ioniq. 100k km on it, and looking for €23k!

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2017-hyundai-other-hyundai/24109913


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Kearys seem be dreaming all over the shop. Who in their right mind would pay over €16k for an out of manufacturer's warranty 2016 low spec Leaf when for just a few grand more you can have a high spec 2017 Ioniq with 2 years bumper to bumper warranty left?

    Linky


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    unkel wrote: »
    Kearys seem be dreaming all over the shop. Who in their right mind would pay over €16k for an out of manufacturer's warranty 2016 low spec Leaf when for just a few grand more you can have a high spec 2017 Ioniq with 2 years bumper to bumper warranty left?

    Linky

    Not even sanitized! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    €20,440 for an old Model Leaf that's now out of manufacturer's warranty. LOL!

    Linky


    "THIS CAR WILL GIVE YOU THE CHEAPEST MOTORING POSSIBLE!"

    Not with that price it won't :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Kramer


    2019 Ioniq for a shade under €31k. Dream on Kearys. UK reg, but without any of the benefits (actually i'd value it cheaper given it's stuck in miles rather than kilometers)
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-premium-fully-sanitized/24437065

    Fully sanitized. Big whoop. :rolleyes:

    There's now a '19 Ioniq on there available for over €6k less :eek:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Would screenshots be better? (hosted on a 3rd party site maybe if its clogging boards otherwise) . Gets very frustrating in threads full of links where 99% of them just lead to the "sorry, this car is sold/removed/etc"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Kramer wrote: »
    There's now a '19 Ioniq on there available for over €6k less :eek:.

    Ah, yours (your missus') I see!

    That's a reasonable asking price for a 2019 car. You can of course buy a 2017 for another 5k less, but that's not a huge saving for a car 2 years older. Black is a nice colour on them in the flesh and the wrap and tint make it even better

    The next owner is going to get a lot of EV for their money. Ioniq EV (28kWh) is an excellent car

    What is she getting next?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Kramer


    unkel wrote: »
    Ah, yours (your missus') I see!

    Yep :).
    unkel wrote: »
    What is she getting next?

    DYMEkgr.jpg

    Diesel Duster :D.

    We're not sure for now, few things happening at present......I'd say she'd nearly take your Model S though if you'd take a monkey profit for it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Round Cable


    ELM327 wrote: »

    Yes, that cold pack is really worth €7k, they are dreaming alright.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-x-3-0-litre-electric/24414775

    2018 100D model x for more money than a new raven equivalent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Sure he was looking for EUR120k for that car a few months ago. Wonder why it hasn't sold :p


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Ah yes, the rare 3.0 litre model X.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Pekarirska


    unkel wrote: »
    €20,440 for an old Model Leaf that's now out of manufacturer's warranty. LOL!

    Linky


    "THIS CAR WILL GIVE YOU THE CHEAPEST MOTORING POSSIBLE!"

    Not with that price it won't :rolleyes:

    171WH1890

    €8k sales markup. Well done Mullingar Nissan :(

    519029.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    They've taken EUR500 off the asking price. They're gonna have to do the same many more times before anyone buys it :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I mean, you'll always lose on a trade in and there's always a mark up. But 8k is too much!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    And how about a EUR42,400 Leaf - that's almost Tesla money :p

    Linky


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    unkel wrote: »
    And how about a EUR42,400 Leaf - that's almost Tesla money :p

    Linky


    If that was delivered to my front door by Amanda Seyfried and Laura Prepon engaged in a romantic and scantily clad embrace, I'd still prefer a Tesla at that price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Dardania


    ELM327 wrote: »
    If that was delivered to my front door by Amanda Seyfried and Laura Prepon engaged in a romantic and scantily clad embrace, I'd still prefer a Tesla at that price.

    Oddly specific - have you put much thought into this?!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Dardania wrote: »
    Oddly specific - have you put much thought into this?!
    Yes, yes I have.
    Lockdown does strange things. As does binge watching that 70s show on netflix.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    "Price includes €5000 SEAI grant deduction for private individuals."

    and what about the other 5k for VRT rebate?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    ewj1978 wrote: »
    "Price includes €5000 SEAI grant deduction for private individuals."

    and what about the other 5k for VRT rebate?

    The vrt rebate is included, Business buyers don't get the seai grant so if a business bought it it would be 5k more.

    The garage that I got my eNiro from is also a Nissan one, so ended up getting details on the leaf 62 as well and i think it was actually more than the eNiro for the high spec one.


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Best color from tesla IMO but way overpriced


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Best color from tesla IMO but way overpriced

    Seats and steering wheel look God awful to me


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    Out of interest what would a reasonable price for that model S be?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,134 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Best color from tesla IMO but way overpriced

    I think its a crappy deal


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    krissovo wrote: »
    Out of interest what would a reasonable price for that model S be?

    Could probably get a 2016 90D from Tesla with warranty for ~48k into Ireland. Might be white, or might be pre facelift, but you'd be talking around that.

    2017 75 (not dual as his ad indicates) are around 45k into Ireland. Knock ~2-3k off for warranty (think that's usually about the difference) is around 42k. Convenience of being in Ireland... add 1k. So... vs a CPO, 43k maybe?


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    liamog wrote: »
    I think its a crappy deal

    ZING!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Could probably get a 2016 90D from Tesla with warranty for ~48k into Ireland. Might be white, or might be pre facelift, but you'd be talking around that.

    2017 75 (not dual as his ad indicates) are around 45k into Ireland. Knock ~2-3k off for warranty (think that's usually about the difference) is around 42k. Convenience of being in Ireland... add 1k. So... vs a CPO, 43k maybe?
    If I were selling my 2016 S90D facelift , same color as his but the black interior, I'd be looking at a similar price to his asking.


    That's how off his price is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Hey at least he isn't still looking for €52,500.

    It does however have "motor". An important thing to specify in a car ad.


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Year old Niro for €1k ? less than I was new last year. €37900

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-niro-electric-niro/25572224
    Judging by the video title they had it for sale back in December at 39900.


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-208-eallure-100kw-136-4dr-auto/25983044

    201 reg Peugeot e208 Allure for a whopping saving of "delivery and additional charges may apply".

    €28,470 new, or €28,500 used.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭garo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Wow that is like 10k overpriced minimum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    2019 Model 3 with 16,000 km done.

    Clearly worth €1,168 more than the same car brand new.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-3-standard-range-plus-ceramic-coating/26098768


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    jhegarty wrote: »
    2019 Model 3 with 16,000 km done.

    Clearly worth €1,168 more than the same car brand new.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-3-standard-range-plus-ceramic-coating/26098768

    They've gone through all the hassle of pointing out all the flaws to Tesla and having them fixed for ya.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    They've gone through all the hassle of pointing out all the flaws to Tesla and having them fixed for ya.

    That's fair. I'll move it to the bargain thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It's not even a 2020 plate!


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




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