Relaxation of restrictions

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 19-04-2020 10:28PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Hana Teeny Snob wrote: »

R0 is estimated to be between 0.7 and 1.0 at the moment. This is good but delicate as its direct result of restrictions and could rise quickly again if we aren't careful.
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How can it rise quickly, we imported the virus them pretty much killed it before it went nuclear. We'd need to import it again.

Our borders are still open, air and sea travel means it can come in again any time. So exactly we could import it over and over again.

cython · 19-04-2020 10:29PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How can it rise quickly, we imported the virus them pretty much killed it before it went nuclear. We'd need to import it again.

If only it were that simple. A fire is a good a analogy here. The aim of these measures is to prevent a fast-burning and devastating inferno, instead restricting it to a controlled burn, or even a smoulder that may go on for some time, but never burns that violently.

If not watched carefully, a smouldering fire can recover enough momentum to burn acres quickly, and so too could this virus see a rapid uptick in transmission without and external stimulus if complacency reigns.

drunkmonkey · 19-04-2020 10:31PM

Hana Teeny Snob wrote: »

Even during the troubles it proved difficult to patrol the border and we would have had larger numbers of Gardai and army personnel then too.

The border is too long and has too much access through many roads (nearly 300 entry points) to control.

We've got drones now they would have been a game changer in the past. You can patrol a lot of area for movement easily.

easypazz · 19-04-2020 10:31PM

Hana Teeny Snob wrote: »

Even during the troubles it proved difficult to patrol the border and we would have had larger numbers of Gardai and army personnel then too.

The border is too long and has too much access through many roads (nearly 300 entry points) to control.

If you close 290 you only have 10 to manage.

The troubles were different, the brits would close a road and locals go in with a track machine and move the concrete slabs out of the way.

Totally different scenario now, it would be short term and have local support.

drunkmonkey · 19-04-2020 10:32PM

Hana Teeny Snob wrote: »

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Our borders are still open, air and sea travel means it can come in again any time. So exactly we could import it over and over again.

That's a problem.

easypazz · 19-04-2020 10:33PM

Hana Teeny Snob wrote: »

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Our borders are still open, air and sea travel means it can come in again any time. So exactly we could import it over and over again.

Our borders are open for now, and very few people are coming in.

If we have to close borders and quarantine arrivals in a hotel then so be it.

Horsebox9000 · 19-04-2020 10:33PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Hana Teeny Snob wrote: »

That's a problem.

Importing food is a problem?

Spanish Eyes · 19-04-2020 10:36PM

Back to basics.

The Mininum Unit Pricing thing was all over the media recently. (MUP) Just for the record of course.

Now the pubs are closed pro tem, but the off licenses are open.

Never thought I'd see that turnaround.

easypazz · 19-04-2020 10:36PM

Horsebox9000 wrote: »

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Importing food is a problem?

Nobody said that:rolleyes:

Spanish Eyes · 19-04-2020 10:42PM

Some beer/wine/cocktail talk going on here.

Me too lol.

User142 · 19-04-2020 10:51PM

We have all sacrificed too much of our lives for us to allow people from abroad to bring the virus in for a second wave.

The restrictions on people coming into this nation need to be severe in order for us to live more freely so be it. We can't keep having wave upon wav because a foreigner wants to visit the Blarney Castle or a resident wants to fly away to Berlin for 3 days.

Essential travel only for non residents. Strict 14 day quarantine for residents who travel or else a shorter duration if testing allows us to detect it.

God bless whoever needs to try and convince the Unionists to work with us in some way on this. I haven't a notion how to approach the two jurisdictions on one open island problem. Common zone between Ireland and the UK like the common travel area until COVID is a no longer a threat? Free movement within but a mandatory health screening/quarantining of people who enter.

Tenzor07 · 19-04-2020 10:55PM

User142 wrote: »

Essential travel only for non residents. Strict 14 day quarantine for residents who travel or else a shorter duration if testing allows us to detect it.

Does that include British passport holders not resident in the ROI?

FishOnABike · 19-04-2020 10:55PM

easypazz wrote: »

They might get away with another week, but would have to set out a clear guarantee as to what will open and when after that.

There can be no clear guarantees. Any relaxation of restrictions will have to be very slowly, little step by little step and followed by a period of close monitoring before making the next step. If numbers start to rise again restrictions will have to be put back in place again very quickly to avoid the spread spiralling out of control.

We may very well have an extended period of two steps forward + one step back or even one step forward and two steps back for some time to come. This might be the new 'normal'.

easypazz · 19-04-2020 11:02PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Does that include British passport holders not resident in the ROI?

It will be like the holiday home thing. Pick your residence then stay there.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 19-04-2020 11:02PM

User142 wrote: »

We have all sacrificed too much of our lives for us to allow people from abroad to bring the virus in for a second wave.

The restrictions on people coming into this nation need to be severe in order for us to live more freely so be it. We can't keep having wave upon wav because a foreigner wants to visit the Blarney Castle or a resident wants to fly away to Berlin for 3 days.

Essential travel only for non residents. Strict 14 day quarantine for residents who travel or else a shorter duration if testing allows us to detect it.

God bless whoever needs to try and convince the Unionists to work with us in some way on this. I haven't a notion how to approach the two jurisdictions on one open island problem. Common zone between Ireland and the UK like the common travel area until COVID is a no longer a threat? Free movement within but a mandatory health screening/quarantining of people who enter.

Yep it's a logistical nightmare, we only get one shot at a lockdown really as people won't tolerate repeated lockdowns.

Tourism and hospitality will be completely decimated unless they can evolve quickly to allow for a very different way of doing things.

That's before we get to the little matter of our very necessary import and export industries.

It's not possible to completely insulate the country. So that leaves us with very limited options.

astrofool · 19-04-2020 11:03PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Back to basics.

The Mininum Unit Pricing thing was all over the media recently. (MUP) Just for the record of course.

Now the pubs are closed pro tem, but the off licenses are open.

Never thought I'd see that turnaround.

More ridiculous than that, online order for delivery is not allowed to include alcohol if the delivery is scheduled outside of the off-license selling hours.

User142 · 19-04-2020 11:11PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Does that include British passport holders not resident in the ROI?

The only way I could see this working is if we had a common zone with the UK. This would remove the Northern Ireland border problem and keep unionists happy.

How likely or workable is it? Haven't a clue. I'd view it as more likely than keeping us under lockdown until we have a vaccine. What was impossible sounding just 3 months ago is now our daily reality. I expect the solution we have in 3 months to allow us regain most normality will sound unlikely/impossible to us today.

The fact is other regions are going to open up before us. Sweden already is. The idea Irish residents could travel there and come back while the rest of us live under these restrictions just doesn't sit right with me.

If the N.Ireland with the UK decides in 2 months to reopen while we don't are we going to stop residents here heading for weekends away and pubs and retail and in the North?

JRant · 19-04-2020 11:13PM

What is Harris playing at?
I mean seriously, has the man no clue for what his role is and what he's doing.
He gives an interview and starts making outlandish claims like that and then turns around afterwards and said they were just his "opinion" and he will now to the superior knowledge of the CMO and his team.

Who in the name of jaysus is actually running the country right now?

These are very worrying times, where the acting government have handed over the reigns of the country to a bunch of unelected academics and a less than stellar CMO, who's previous track record would have seen him marched out the door in a functioning society.

Dickie10 · 19-04-2020 11:17PM

yeah if pubs and restaurunts in the north are open in 8 weeks time. you can be sure there will be guge crowds heading up.

lainey_d_123 · 19-04-2020 11:18PM

User142 wrote: »

We have all sacrificed too much of our lives for us to allow people from abroad to bring the virus in for a second wave.

The restrictions on people coming into this nation need to be severe in order for us to live more freely so be it. We can't keep having wave upon wav because a foreigner wants to visit the Blarney Castle or a resident wants to fly away to Berlin for 3 days.

Essential travel only for non residents. Strict 14 day quarantine for residents who travel or else a shorter duration if testing allows us to detect it.

God bless whoever needs to try and convince the Unionists to work with us in some way on this. I haven't a notion how to approach the two jurisdictions on one open island problem. Common zone between Ireland and the UK like the common travel area until COVID is a no longer a threat? Free movement within but a mandatory health screening/quarantining of people who enter.

China and South Korea and probably other places are making foreigners do a 14 day quarantine and it seems to be working.

I'd happily quarantine myself for 14 days to go somewhere I really want to visit, or because of business travel, if it meant that life could largely get back to normal. People who used to think they couldn't live without holidays might start to appreciate the smaller things they took for granted before like pubs, being able to sit in parks, meet friends for dinner or just be free to do whatever you want. I can't see most people being willing to stick out a 14 day quarantine for the sake of a week in Benidorm, so it will only be people who really, really want to travel who do it.

Tenzor07 · 19-04-2020 11:21PM

easypazz wrote: »

It will be like the holiday home thing. Pick your residence then stay there.

Yea dunno about that, I know a few people who live up in N.I and work down South, would put them in a very tough position if like some comments have suggested on here that they need to self isolate for 14 days when they cross into the Republic.

JRant · 19-04-2020 11:22PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

yeah if pubs and restaurunts in the north are open in 8 weeks time. you can be sure there will be guge crowds heading up.

You can be also sure that unofficial "pubs" will start springing up everywhere if they shut them down for the next 2 / 3 years, which is probably a reasonable timeframe for a working vaccine, manufacturing, and distribution.

Tenzor07 · 19-04-2020 11:23PM

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I'd happily quarantine myself for 14 days to go somewhere I really want to visit, or because of business travel.

No you wouldn't, that's a wine time comment, the only people who would go into quarantine for 2 weeks would be returning residents of the destination country.
Plus having to do that on business travel would eliminate the reason for the travel.

Cork Boy 53 · 19-04-2020 11:31PM

JRant wrote: »

You can be also sure that unofficial "pubs" will start springing up everywhere if they shut them down for the next 2 / 3 years, which is probably a reasonable timeframe for a working vaccine, manufacturing, and distribution.

You mean like the speakeasies that sprang up in the USA in the Prohibition era? Come to think of it if the criminal gangs see this as a way to boost their earnings it may well happen.

drunkmonkey · 19-04-2020 11:32PM

JRant wrote: »

You can be also sure that unofficial "pubs" will start springing up everywhere if they shut them down for the next 2 / 3 years, which is probably a reasonable timeframe for a working vaccine, manufacturing, and distribution.

Can't happen, babies need to be made. I sincerely hope the youth won't tolerate it.
Your right about the vaccine, it's a long way off something a lot of people don't get.
We have until October to kill this completely on the Island, if we don't and flu season lands and it's still active it's going to be complete **** show. Saying that with distancing the flu won't have much of an impact the next time around.

Tell me how · 19-04-2020 11:34PM

JRant wrote: »

What is Harris playing at?
I mean seriously, has the man no clue for what his role is and what he's doing.
He gives an interview and starts making outlandish claims like that and then turns around afterwards and said they were just his "opinion" and he will now to the superior knowledge of the CMO and his team.

Who in the name of jaysus is actually running the country right now?

These are very worrying times, where the acting government have handed over the reigns of the country to a bunch of unelected academics and a less than stellar CMO, who's previous track record would have seen him marched out the door in a functioning society.

Rant by name, rant by nature.
He said throughout the piece last night that medical advice will and is guiding everything they do.

What are you annoyed about, that they are following medial advice, in relation to dealing with a pandemic? Or what is it exactly?

drunkmonkey · 19-04-2020 11:36PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You mean like the speakeasies that sprang up in the USA in the Prohibition era? I doubt that but I suppose it`s possible.

I absolutely guarantee you there will be an upswing in illegal parties shortly. This isn't China.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-04-2020 11:38PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No you wouldn't, that's a wine time comment, the only people who would go into quarantine for 2 weeks would be returning residents of the destination country.
Plus having to do that on business travel would eliminate the reason for the travel.

Two weeks quarantine, two weeks there, probably two weeks quarantine when you get back...

The thing is: you probably have as much chance of getting it and bringing it back from Ballina as you do from Berlin.

Cork Boy 53 · 19-04-2020 11:40PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I absolutely guarantee you there will be an upswing in illegal parties shortly. This isn't China.

There already is. Anyway I edited my original post.

growleaves · 19-04-2020 11:40PM

What are you annoyed about, that they are following medial advice, in relation to dealing with a pandemic? Or what is it exactly?

Yeah cause its perfectly normal to suspend elections, place everyone under house arrest, restrict movement by arbitrary invasive policing, abolish cash, control and allow only approved labour... Doctor's orders

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