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Danzy · 15-04-2020 09:15AM

Base price wrote: »

TBH I doubt it as we're heading into a major recession and I doubt the funds will be available. Aid to private storage is probably more realistic.

The funds will be borrowed at near Zero or below zero rates, or there will be monetary support to spending from the ECB by some slight of hand.

If there isn't then more than the EU will be in trouble.

Robson99 · 15-04-2020 09:18AM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Will there be another €100 top up on cattle killed since the pandemic lads? Not much talk of it.

Maybe if last year's allocation was claimed in full we might have had a chance. But afaik it wasn't and very hard to go back looking for more again. TBH the 5% cut in numbers will be a bit of a blessing in disguise this year

wrangler · 15-04-2020 09:53AM

Jjameson wrote: »

He could well be right but without evidence he looks idiotic. No arguments there but you know why he had a soapbox and why they got a following. They are fairly much a non entity at this point in any case.

I don't think it's in bord bias remit to monitor supermarkets, there has to be another PS crowd over that ,FSAI maybe.
Blaming BB would be like blaming farmers for the horsemeat

Robson99 · 15-04-2020 10:10AM

wrangler wrote: »

I don't think it's in bord bias remit to monitor supermarkets, there has to be another PS crowd over that ,FSAI maybe.
Blaming BB would be like blaming farmers for the horsemeat

I would love to know what Bord Bia's actual remit is if they not monitoring what's being sold as quality assured. One of the biggest jokes / waste of funds / organisation ever

wrangler · 15-04-2020 10:27AM

Robson99 wrote: »

I would love to know what Bord Bia's actual remit is if they not monitoring what's being sold as quality assured. One of the biggest jokes / waste of funds / organisation ever

Same as any of our public services then.
Promoting all farm produce is their remit, how do you measure that, everything is getting sold anyway

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-04-2020 10:32AM

wrangler wrote: »

Same as any of our public services then.
Promoting all farm produce is their remit, how do you measure that, everything is getting sold anyway

The one thing the strike showed us is the lack of policing of labels on meat products in the country.

Bord Bia let organisations use their logo on their products but the vast majority of farmers don't believe that there is adequate policing and inspection of the labels that are used.

If they allow their label to be put on a product, the responsibility for ensuring the products carrying their logo is exactly what is stated on the package rests squarely on Bord Bias shoulders.

Robson99 · 15-04-2020 11:32AM

wrangler wrote: »

Same as any of our public services then.
Promoting all farm produce is their remit, how do you measure that, everything is getting sold anyway

Promoting or allowing their label to be used Willy Nilly by the meat barons of the country.
I wouldnt put all of our Public Services in that group

Duke92 · 15-04-2020 12:28PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Will there be another €100 top up on cattle killed since the pandemic lads? Not much talk of it.

No there’s talk of them looking for something for the sucker men because they couldn’t sell stores and store prices are down
Nothing for beef finisher this “there making to much money buying them cheap stores”

wrangler · 15-04-2020 01:47PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Promoting or allowing their label to be used Willy Nilly by the meat barons of the country.
I wouldnt put all of our Public Services in that group

Weights are wrong, grades are wrong, and now labels are wrong, you'd wonder at anyone supplying them really.........funny that in all the waffle there's no hard evidence
There's enough department of ag personnel in the factories to mark the labelling without Bord Bia personnel being there.
They have a budget, putting extra people in factories based on pubtalk will take money from advertising and promotion.
It's ironic that customers believed in QA until Beef Plan totally undermined it, from meeting foreign groups on the farm here it was obvious that our guys in Bord Bia were well respected

wrangler · 15-04-2020 05:23PM

Jjameson wrote: »

The reputation of Irish beef farmers and the product is good,and are well regulated by the department of agriculture(the gullotine of sfp cuts over farmers heads)
However the reputation of Irish processors is scurrilous to say the least.
But all the focus of bord bia scrutiny is the producers. The processors as you point out are beyond the remit of meaningful inspection. The nature of civil service 9am to 4.30 pm not my job civil servants would be a piece of cake to bypass by seasoned plant managers.

You couldn't call the farm QA inspection a meaning full inspection either,an inspection with 2 mths notice every 18 mths, a proper inspection should have no notice. you couldn't really call it Bord bia scrutiny or even onerous.
But beef plan have to stick their tuppence worth in to score points and make sure that no one gets any gain.
HSE have let the waiting list get up to a million, wouldn't it be more advantageous to sort that than feckin QA if it was possible to put a bomb under the civil servants.
If you want control of beef processing,, you don't try to tell those that are doing it well how to do it............ you build your own feckin factories

wrangler · 15-04-2020 08:38PM

Jjameson wrote: »

We are ploughing some well ploughed ground now!

Bord Bias answer to beef plan.... and beef plan have no evidence to refute it with.

https://scontent.fdub5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93016511_2981149105281118_8215869887143215104_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=FLq7v-6jHMYAX9tu6v7&_nc_ht=scontent.fdub5-1.fna&oh=29a29ac8e53821f833e9a663dcd45fa7&oe=5EBD8BA3

Robson99 · 15-04-2020 10:37PM

wrangler wrote: »

Weights are wrong, grades are wrong, and now labels are wrong, you'd wonder at anyone supplying them really.........funny that in all the waffle there's no hard evidence
There's enough department of ag personnel in the factories to mark the labelling without Bord Bia personnel being there.
They have a budget, putting extra people in factories based on pubtalk will take money from advertising and promotion.
It's ironic that customers believed in QA until Beef Plan totally undermined it, from meeting foreign groups on the farm here it was obvious that our guys in Bord Bia were well respected

Are the Factories collecting much levies for the IFA these days Wrangler ??? I have yet to see an IFA die hard past or present criticize the bould Laurence and Co..

wrangler · 15-04-2020 10:38PM

Jjameson wrote: »

He did neglect to mention the bord bia approved plants In the uk? But bar that it’s about the size of it. Where did you dig up this from?

Galway BEEF PLAN Facebook page I think,

wrangler · 15-04-2020 10:49PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Are the Factories collecting much levies for the IFA these days Wrangler ??? I have yet to see an IFA die hard past or present criticize the bould Laurence and Co..

ABP haven't collected for IFA for years as far as i know.
Wasn't ABP criticised by IFA for bringing in polish beef.
Hurling personal abuse like some organisations is childish and achieves nothing

Robson99 · 15-04-2020 11:00PM

wrangler wrote: »

ABP haven't collected for IFA for years as far as i know.
Wasn't ABP criticised by IFA for bringing in polish beef.
Hurling personal abuse like some organisations is childish and achieves nothing

It's nothing personal so don't take it up that way....as I take it that the comments 're the Public Service does not extend to one and all.

What went on between the factories and IFA 're the levies is nothing short of Scandalous.
Talk about running with the hare and hunting with the hound....it could only happen in this country

Bass Reeves · 15-04-2020 11:07PM

Robson99 wrote: »

It's nothing personal so don't take it up that way....as I take it that the comments 're the Public Service does not extend to one and all.

What went on between the factories and IFA 're the levies is nothing short of Scandalous.
Talk about running with the hare and hunting with the hound....it could only happen in this country

My main issue with the levy on Beef was that the levy was taken off the same animal more than once. In milk and grain the levy was take once at point of sale going into a miller or a co-op.

With beef it was different the money was collected not just at the factory but at the mart as well. It could be collected as a calf, again as a yearling as a store and then when he went into the factory for slaughter he was levied again. I never bough into this BS about all farmers paying. Beef was the great tit that the IFA suckled on for years and did little for the sector.

paddysdream · 15-04-2020 11:15PM

wrangler wrote: »

ABP haven't collected for IFA for years as far as i know.
Wasn't ABP criticised by IFA for bringing in polish beef.
Hurling personal abuse like some organisations is childish and achieves nothing

Have to say that Wrangler is correct.
We disagreed re. the IFA levy a long while ago but at this stage if thats the best people can find to knock an organisation then its weak enough.

Even though I think its strange that its an opt out charge rather than an opt in one(lets just agree to disagree on this point)any farmer should be aware of what it is and where it goes and let them make up their own mind on it.

Beef Plan,Independent Farmers etc etc havent exactly given a good image to Irish agriculture or to themselves over the past while.

wrangler · 15-04-2020 11:17PM

Robson99 wrote: »

It's nothing personal so don't take it up that way....as I take it that the comments 're the Public Service does not extend to one and all.

What went on between the factories and IFA 're the levies is nothing short of Scandalous.
Talk about running with the hare and hunting with the hound....it could only happen in this country

I never had any problem with it, county reps are very much their own people and certainly wouldn't be dictated policy by the revenue side of IFA .
I would have a problem with a 50ha sheep farmer paying the same membership fee as a 50ha dairy farm.
It's irrelevant now as is farming, it'll be much tougher to deliver anything for farming from now on

wrangler · 15-04-2020 11:27PM

paddysdream wrote: »

Have to say that Wrangler is correct.
We disagreed re. the IFA levy a long while ago but at this stage if thats the best people can find to knock an organisation then its weak enough.

Even though I think its strange that its an opt out charge rather than an opt in one(lets just agree to disagree on this point)any farmer should be aware of what it is and where it goes and let them make up their own mind on it.

Beef Plan,Independent Farmers etc etc havent exactly given a good image to Irish agriculture or to themselves over the past while.

All the factory agents around advisedthe farmers to stop the levy on their cattle and that's going on for years

Fireside Solicitor · 17-04-2020 02:30PM

We were chatting about it earlier when the money first went out of finishing cattle. Neighbour reckons it’s as far back as ‘98 when he looks at the old dockets.

Panch18 · 17-04-2020 03:23PM

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

We were chatting about it earlier when the money first went out of finishing cattle. Neighbour reckons it’s as far back as ‘98 when he looks at the old dockets.

The mid 90's was the beginning of the end for all Irish farming enterprises

Far too many bad years now, with some being potentially catastrophic - whereas back then there was rarely a bad year - weather was your biggest issue

That applies to milk, beef, tillage - not sure on sheep

Water John · 17-04-2020 03:24PM

Which is only a few years after the McSharry reforms came in. Basically, factories saying, shur the farmer has his SFP, that'll do him.

Fireside Solicitor · 17-04-2020 03:59PM

We had it down as around the foot and mouth time that the backside dropped out of it. The single payment was the worst thing ever happened. See it around here, took the stock man out of farming

Panch18 · 17-04-2020 04:02PM

Water John wrote: »

Which is only a few years after the McSharry reforms came in. Basically, factories saying, shur the farmer has his SFP, that'll do him.

Wasn't it Fischler that brought in the single farm payment?

McSharry brought in the headage payments if i remember correctly.

Fireside Solicitor · 17-04-2020 04:06PM

We had it down as around the foot and mouth time that the backside dropped out of it. The single payment was the worst thing ever happened. See it around here, took the stock man out of farming

Dickie10 · 17-04-2020 10:59PM

a lot of people agree that sfp was now looking back a disaster. what were headage payments ? how did they work?

Bass Reeves · 17-04-2020 11:27PM

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

We were chatting about it earlier when the money first went out of finishing cattle. Neighbour reckons it’s as far back as ‘98 when he looks at the old dockets.

In the 90's the EU decided that it could no longer afford to fund agriculture expansion. At the start this lead to national envelopes which lead to suckler quota's and to a situation where premia related to headage varied depending on number of animals claimed at national level.

This lead to the SFP later BPS. There was a number of flaws especially on Suckler to weanlings systems where farmers in the west Of Ireland had weanlings devalued by 250+ euro with in 2-3 years of its inception. Winners were farmers who were drawing large payments on limited land

The whole point of SFP was to give farmers the freedom to farm while at the same time forcing the markets to compensate them for any losses in premia or extra costs involved in production. However a few other variables came into play, the decision to pay it to milk producers. While milk producers have been allowed to expand the extra beef produced( not as much as some presume) has helped to destabilise beef prices. However it has been the inability to manage the imbalance between farmer/producers and processors/retailers especially in beef that has failed the change over.

From 2008-2015 the market gained an equibliurm beef prices climbed from about 3/kg to 4/kg and above at times. However in the last 4 years beef prices have fallen back to the present price which is 80c/kg below winter prices from 2013-2015 ish. While part of the problem is farmers unwillingness to adapt, they are not help by mixed market signalling.

The obsession with sucklers cows and lobbying by some who should know better for funds to be directed to them. As well you have the drive for so called efficiency where in reality production costs are at or above beef prices in many cases. The other big problem is the obession in looking for funding from Europe for to compensate losses.

We already see it (I bought the Journal for the first time in 5-6 weeks) and was amazed by the keening for specialist winter finishers once again. Its not like these have not had it happen before. Any lad filling shed's of cattle without a contracted price especially bulls they intend to carry to heavy weight is an idiot. At this stage I have no sympathy for them. I getting towards that with suckler cows as well. If you are not making a profit cut back produce less. Beef produced with ration is break even at best and crippling us. 10kg lighter carcasses across the board takes 60K cattle out of the system

Base price · 18-04-2020 12:21AM

Panch18 wrote: »

The mid 90's was the beginning of the end for all Irish farming enterprises

Far too many bad years now, with some being potentially catastrophic - whereas back then there was rarely a bad year - weather was your biggest issue

That applies to milk, beef, tillage - not sure on sheep

I disagree and reckon it was due to the £5 calf subsidy in c.'86/'87.

degetme · 18-04-2020 08:59PM

Lads have 600kg fresians/holstein around 26 months. What carcasse weight would these be at 30-32 months on good grass

older by the day · 18-04-2020 09:15PM

Base price wrote: »

I disagree and reckon it was due to the £5 calf subsidy in c.'86/'87.

The BSE in the late 90s, but the change to Euro in 02 hid it. And the 2 punchs and the slaughter premium kept a false bottom on things. There was a board up in skib Mart till recently showing the Euro /pound change rate. We were getting the same price in pounds 30 years ago and with inflation and rise in costs. We are getting half the value today . The thing is f$$$$ed

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