beef price tracker

MIKEKC wrote: »

3.36 per kg for fresians.? Nearer 3.10 at present I'd say

At a 3.4 base grading P+/O- they would be averaging 3.2 at present. Would not be many around but I would expect that with the demand for mince processor's will be inclined to flat price them soon at or near the base price

MIKEKC

degetme wrote: »

600kg now. 700kg mid August
350kg dw
3.36e per kg

3.36 per kg for fresians.? Nearer 3.10 at present I'd say

Duke92 wrote: »

How do you come to that conclusion

600kg now. 700kg mid August
350kg dw
3.36e per kg

Duke92

degetme wrote: »

Would they average 1180 in the factory come August?

How do you come to that conclusion

degetme wrote: »

Would they average 1180 in the factory come August?

Depends on the price at the time. If you can flat price you should do it. but at present prices grading P+/O- killing 350kgs DW they average 1120befire deductions. Accrosss the they want to put on 100kgs to hit 350DW. They want to be 370DW to hit 1180at present prices

Jjameson wrote: »

He wasn’t insulting you anyway.

Would they average 1180 in the factory come August?

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I try to get them finished pre 30 months. That gives you 90 days. If hitting good grass now and s bit of compensatory growth they should hit 700kgs LW. At that they be 345-355DW. If you feed them 2-3kg of a 3way mix for last 6 weeks they shod kill in the 360+ bracket. You EOD feed the ration to get FS 4on them all. Try to flat price them into the factory

A lad was looking at them to buy. The bunch weighed between 580 and 620 they said and they only wanted the 600 to 620 lads for 1020e a piece. I turned it down at the moment. Am I mad?

gerryirl wrote: »

as above spot on, thats allowing for 52% kill out in or around.. you have them into good weights as it is for there age

I am gauging on 49-50%KO fresh weight. TBH I be trying to kill ones that weight 30kg LW lighter at 330-340kgs DW. I slaughter from June onwards normally I might let it run a few week but I have 40+FR that have to be gone by mid August

gerryirl

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I try to get them finished pre 30 months. That gives you 90 days. If hitting good grass now and s bit of compensatory growth they should hit 700kgs LW. At that they be 345-355DW. If you feed them 2-3kg of a 3way mix for last 6 weeks they shod kill in the 360+ bracket. You EOD feed the ration to get FS 4on them all. Try to flat price them into the factory

as above spot on, thats allowing for 52% kill out in or around.. you have them into good weights as it is for there age

degetme wrote: »

Lads have 600kg fresians/holstein around 26 months. What carcasse weight would these be at 30-32 months on good grass

I try to get them finished pre 30 months. That gives you 90 days. If hitting good grass now and s bit of compensatory growth they should hit 700kgs LW. At that they be 345-355DW. If you feed them 2-3kg of a 3way mix for last 6 weeks they shod kill in the 360+ bracket. You EOD feed the ration to get FS 4on them all. Try to flat price them into the factory

older by the day

Base price wrote: »

I disagree and reckon it was due to the £5 calf subsidy in c.'86/'87.

The BSE in the late 90s, but the change to Euro in 02 hid it. And the 2 punchs and the slaughter premium kept a false bottom on things. There was a board up in skib Mart till recently showing the Euro /pound change rate. We were getting the same price in pounds 30 years ago and with inflation and rise in costs. We are getting half the value today . The thing is f$$$$ed

Lads have 600kg fresians/holstein around 26 months. What carcasse weight would these be at 30-32 months on good grass

Base price

Panch18 wrote: »

The mid 90's was the beginning of the end for all Irish farming enterprises

Far too many bad years now, with some being potentially catastrophic - whereas back then there was rarely a bad year - weather was your biggest issue

That applies to milk, beef, tillage - not sure on sheep

I disagree and reckon it was due to the £5 calf subsidy in c.'86/'87.

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

We were chatting about it earlier when the money first went out of finishing cattle. Neighbour reckons it’s as far back as ‘98 when he looks at the old dockets.

In the 90's the EU decided that it could no longer afford to fund agriculture expansion. At the start this lead to national envelopes which lead to suckler quota's and to a situation where premia related to headage varied depending on number of animals claimed at national level.

This lead to the SFP later BPS. There was a number of flaws especially on Suckler to weanlings systems where farmers in the west Of Ireland had weanlings devalued by 250+ euro with in 2-3 years of its inception. Winners were farmers who were drawing large payments on limited land

The whole point of SFP was to give farmers the freedom to farm while at the same time forcing the markets to compensate them for any losses in premia or extra costs involved in production. However a few other variables came into play, the decision to pay it to milk producers. While milk producers have been allowed to expand the extra beef produced( not as much as some presume) has helped to destabilise beef prices. However it has been the inability to manage the imbalance between farmer/producers and processors/retailers especially in beef that has failed the change over.

From 2008-2015 the market gained an equibliurm beef prices climbed from about 3/kg to 4/kg and above at times. However in the last 4 years beef prices have fallen back to the present price which is 80c/kg below winter prices from 2013-2015 ish. While part of the problem is farmers unwillingness to adapt, they are not help by mixed market signalling.

The obsession with sucklers cows and lobbying by some who should know better for funds to be directed to them. As well you have the drive for so called efficiency where in reality production costs are at or above beef prices in many cases. The other big problem is the obession in looking for funding from Europe for to compensate losses.

We already see it (I bought the Journal for the first time in 5-6 weeks) and was amazed by the keening for specialist winter finishers once again. Its not like these have not had it happen before. Any lad filling shed's of cattle without a contracted price especially bulls they intend to carry to heavy weight is an idiot. At this stage I have no sympathy for them. I getting towards that with suckler cows as well. If you are not making a profit cut back produce less. Beef produced with ration is break even at best and crippling us. 10kg lighter carcasses across the board takes 60K cattle out of the system

Dickie10

a lot of people agree that sfp was now looking back a disaster. what were headage payments ? how did they work?

Fireside Solicitor

We had it down as around the foot and mouth time that the backside dropped out of it. The single payment was the worst thing ever happened. See it around here, took the stock man out of farming

Panch18

Water John wrote: »

Which is only a few years after the McSharry reforms came in. Basically, factories saying, shur the farmer has his SFP, that'll do him.

Wasn't it Fischler that brought in the single farm payment?

McSharry brought in the headage payments if i remember correctly.

Fireside Solicitor

We had it down as around the foot and mouth time that the backside dropped out of it. The single payment was the worst thing ever happened. See it around here, took the stock man out of farming

Water John

Which is only a few years after the McSharry reforms came in. Basically, factories saying, shur the farmer has his SFP, that'll do him.

Panch18

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

We were chatting about it earlier when the money first went out of finishing cattle. Neighbour reckons it’s as far back as ‘98 when he looks at the old dockets.

The mid 90's was the beginning of the end for all Irish farming enterprises

Far too many bad years now, with some being potentially catastrophic - whereas back then there was rarely a bad year - weather was your biggest issue

That applies to milk, beef, tillage - not sure on sheep

Fireside Solicitor

We were chatting about it earlier when the money first went out of finishing cattle. Neighbour reckons it’s as far back as ‘98 when he looks at the old dockets.

paddysdream wrote: »

Have to say that Wrangler is correct.
We disagreed re. the IFA levy a long while ago but at this stage if thats the best people can find to knock an organisation then its weak enough.

Even though I think its strange that its an opt out charge rather than an opt in one(lets just agree to disagree on this point)any farmer should be aware of what it is and where it goes and let them make up their own mind on it.

Beef Plan,Independent Farmers etc etc havent exactly given a good image to Irish agriculture or to themselves over the past while.

All the factory agents around advisedthe farmers to stop the levy on their cattle and that's going on for years

Robson99 wrote: »

It's nothing personal so don't take it up that way....as I take it that the comments 're the Public Service does not extend to one and all.

What went on between the factories and IFA 're the levies is nothing short of Scandalous.
Talk about running with the hare and hunting with the hound....it could only happen in this country

I never had any problem with it, county reps are very much their own people and certainly wouldn't be dictated policy by the revenue side of IFA .
I would have a problem with a 50ha sheep farmer paying the same membership fee as a 50ha dairy farm.
It's irrelevant now as is farming, it'll be much tougher to deliver anything for farming from now on

paddysdream

wrangler wrote: »

ABP haven't collected for IFA for years as far as i know.
Wasn't ABP criticised by IFA for bringing in polish beef.
Hurling personal abuse like some organisations is childish and achieves nothing

Have to say that Wrangler is correct.
We disagreed re. the IFA levy a long while ago but at this stage if thats the best people can find to knock an organisation then its weak enough.

Even though I think its strange that its an opt out charge rather than an opt in one(lets just agree to disagree on this point)any farmer should be aware of what it is and where it goes and let them make up their own mind on it.

Beef Plan,Independent Farmers etc etc havent exactly given a good image to Irish agriculture or to themselves over the past while.

Robson99 wrote: »

It's nothing personal so don't take it up that way....as I take it that the comments 're the Public Service does not extend to one and all.

What went on between the factories and IFA 're the levies is nothing short of Scandalous.
Talk about running with the hare and hunting with the hound....it could only happen in this country

My main issue with the levy on Beef was that the levy was taken off the same animal more than once. In milk and grain the levy was take once at point of sale going into a miller or a co-op.

With beef it was different the money was collected not just at the factory but at the mart as well. It could be collected as a calf, again as a yearling as a store and then when he went into the factory for slaughter he was levied again. I never bough into this BS about all farmers paying. Beef was the great tit that the IFA suckled on for years and did little for the sector.

Robson99

wrangler wrote: »

ABP haven't collected for IFA for years as far as i know.
Wasn't ABP criticised by IFA for bringing in polish beef.
Hurling personal abuse like some organisations is childish and achieves nothing

It's nothing personal so don't take it up that way....as I take it that the comments 're the Public Service does not extend to one and all.

What went on between the factories and IFA 're the levies is nothing short of Scandalous.
Talk about running with the hare and hunting with the hound....it could only happen in this country

Robson99 wrote: »

Are the Factories collecting much levies for the IFA these days Wrangler ??? I have yet to see an IFA die hard past or present criticize the bould Laurence and Co..

ABP haven't collected for IFA for years as far as i know.
Wasn't ABP criticised by IFA for bringing in polish beef.
Hurling personal abuse like some organisations is childish and achieves nothing

Jjameson wrote: »

He did neglect to mention the bord bia approved plants In the uk? But bar that it’s about the size of it. Where did you dig up this from?

Galway BEEF PLAN Facebook page I think,

Robson99

wrangler wrote: »

Weights are wrong, grades are wrong, and now labels are wrong, you'd wonder at anyone supplying them really.........funny that in all the waffle there's no hard evidence
There's enough department of ag personnel in the factories to mark the labelling without Bord Bia personnel being there.
They have a budget, putting extra people in factories based on pubtalk will take money from advertising and promotion.
It's ironic that customers believed in QA until Beef Plan totally undermined it, from meeting foreign groups on the farm here it was obvious that our guys in Bord Bia were well respected

Are the Factories collecting much levies for the IFA these days Wrangler ??? I have yet to see an IFA die hard past or present criticize the bould Laurence and Co..