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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Guys apparently we are not doing that well as regards total cases per million. Was kind of shocked to see us as no 5 on the list.
    But but but...George Lee was on the news last night gushing about how great we were doing! How the Govt had played a blinder and haven't put a foot wrong!

    And yet we're just behind the Yanks on deaths per million


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭moonlighting_1


    jay0109 wrote: »
    But but but...George Lee was on the news last night gushing about how great we were doing! How the Govt had played a blinder and haven't put a foot wrong!

    And yet we're just behind the Yanks on deaths per million


    the numbers are quite shocking really


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,843 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    What are people's views on this?

    I can only speak to my experience of supermarket shopping so it's not to say everyone will have the same experience. The Dunnes I shop in is quite large and they have cut it to a max of 50 in the last couple of weeks. They clean the baskets and trolleys fastidiously as far as I can see. People are instructed to use the sanitiser and gloves provided at the entrance. There are usually two there to manage the queue.

    It's a large shop so there is little crossing of paths in there from what I have seen.

    I would usually go to both Dunnes and Aldi but haven't only been to Aldi maybe 3 times in the last 6 weeks. There are no gloves or sanitiser provided in Aldi or at least I haven't seen either. It's a smaller shop and there are a few more people passing by in the aisles but nothing I think is all that problematic and people, for the most part, are conscious of keeping their distance. Not sure what numbers they are limiting to but I would say it's less than 50.

    Logically it seems that there is a much lower risk in the larger shops where they are limiting the numbers (and policing that) and providing gloves and/or sanitiser.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Guys apparently we are not doing that well as regards total cases per million. Was kind of shocked to see us as no 5 on the list.


    Shows you how powerful spin can be. Talk of a relaxation of restrictions are completely insane. Support the HSE and stay at home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    hmmm wrote: »
    Great to see the Captain Hindsights in full flow. We'll be listening to them for the next 10 years.

    I don't remember anyone on this thread mentioning nursing homes 2 months ago, now it's all "well it was obvious that the biggest risk was...."

    None of us are paid hundreds of thousands or tens of millions in total in salaries to come up with plans for nursing homes.

    Why should it be up to us?

    Why didn't the HSE send a fact finding team to Italy 6 weeks ago? Why didn't the WHO issue clear instructions to the HSE on stricter protocols for nursing homes? Why didn't the government issue even the bare minimum of PPE?

    But, there were plenty on here who said 6 weeks ago if we don't get ahead of covid 19 and do our best to slow its spread here and bring in strong protocols about visitors from hotspots, we'd be up sh*ts creek in the future.

    Those people were proved 100% right. They were proved right over our government ministers who get paid 150k and did NOTHING to slow its spread. Ministers and a Taoiseach who admitted defeat before it even took off, saying it can't be stopped.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    Guys apparently we are not doing that well as regards total cases per million. Was kind of shocked to see us as no 5 on the list.


    The more important stat for me is death per population. We're doing much better than the UK in that regard, but their no. of cases are lower according to that video.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Guys apparently we are not doing that well as regards total cases per million. Was kind of shocked to see us as no 5 on the list.


    It is remarkable how the media and government have hoodwinked people into thinking we're doing just fine.

    Slovenia is right beside Italy, they shut down their border with them on March 10th and have 61 deaths and 1269 cases. They have a similar testing output to ourselves.

    Ireland have 2688 Cases Per Million
    Slovenia have 610 cases Per Million

    So it must be testing right?
    Ireland have tested 18,358 per million people
    Slovenia have tested 18,344 per million people
    Virtually the same

    Ireland has 68 deaths per million
    Slovenia has 29 deaths per million

    Maybe its population density?
    Ireland's population density is 70people per kilometer
    Slovenia is 103 people per kilometer

    And just to remind everyone, Slovenia have a border with Northern Italy. And tons of seasonal workers at the ski resorts.

    We are at U.S level numbers, of which everyone in the Irish media are telling us have done a terrible job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭crossman47



    Why didn't the HSE send a fact finding team to Italy 6 weeks ago? Why didn't the WHO issue clear instructions to the HSE on stricter protocols for nursing homes? Why didn't the government issue even the bare minimum of PPE?

    They were proved right over our government ministers who get paid 150k and did NOTHING to slow its spread. Ministers and a Taoiseach who admitted defeat before it even took off, saying it can't be stopped.

    On the first point, I can guarantee if they had, you would have had people complaining about bringing the virus back by visiting a hotspot.

    Your second point barely merits an answer. Have you any understanding of what uncontrolled exponential growth and where we would be now without control measures?

    There have of course been mistakes as will happen in a highly pressurised situation but on the whole we're doing well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    It is remarkable how the media and government have hoodwinked people into thinking we're doing just fine.

    Slovenia is right beside Italy, they shut down their border with them on March 10th and have 61 deaths and 1269 cases. They have a similar testing output to ourselves.

    Ireland have 2688 Cases Per Million
    Slovenia have 610 cases Per Million

    So it must be testing right?
    Ireland have tested 18,358 per million people
    Slovenia have tested 18,344 per million people
    Virtually the same

    Ireland has 68 deaths per million
    Slovenia has 29 deaths per million

    Maybe its population density?
    Ireland's population density is 70people per kilometer
    Slovenia is 103 people per kilometer

    And just to remind everyone, Slovenia have a border with Northern Italy. And tons of seasonal workers at the ski resorts.

    We are at U.S level numbers, of which everyone in the Irish media are telling us have done a terrible job.

    Its Trump bashing by our media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    It is remarkable how the media and government have hoodwinked people into thinking we're doing just fine.

    Slovenia is right beside Italy, they shut down their border with them on March 10th and have 61 deaths and 1269 cases. They have a similar testing output to ourselves.

    Ireland have 2688 Cases Per Million
    Slovenia have 610 cases Per Million

    So it must be testing right?
    Ireland have tested 18,358 per million people
    Slovenia have tested 18,344 per million people
    Virtually the same

    Ireland has 68 deaths per million
    Slovenia has 29 deaths per million

    Maybe its population density?
    Ireland's population density is 70people per kilometer
    Slovenia is 103 people per kilometer

    And just to remind everyone, Slovenia have a border with Northern Italy. And tons of seasonal workers at the ski resorts.

    We are at U.S level numbers, of which everyone in the Irish media are telling us have done a terrible job.
    we are sandwiched between the UK and the USA, expect our figures to be the median of these two or the mean even!

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Correct and as a regular purchaser of their products I'm extremely unhappy. I won't be buying any of their products ever again.

    And in an alternate universe tons of fruit lie rotting in the sun causing a scandal. Why didn't we fly in some fruit pickers and let them isolate for 2 weeks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Norman Hunter has been beaten by the virus. RIP. Not many got by him in his prime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Vietnam has reported only 269 cases so far.

    The country, along with quite a few others, needs to be sanctioned for lying to the global community.

    This won't end with consequences for China.

    Have you the slightest evidence Vietnam are lying? Given that they followed best international practice.

    Covid 19 isn't actually that difficult to get control of, provided you act early enough, which western governments obviously didn't. Vietnam and Taiwan had early warnings from China and closed their borders rapidly.

    Meanwhile in the West we left our borders and routes open for almost a month to hotspots.

    We still have easy access to hotspots like London. A Traveller can come over on the ferry, bring the family and travel anywhere in Ireland unhindered. Try telling them to self isolate and see how far you get.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Norman Hunter has been beaten by the virus. RIP. Not many got by him in his prime.

    I watched the Damned United only last night.

    Well worth a watch to kill a few hours.

    They dont make them like that anymore.

    RIP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Shelle1234.


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    When will schools open ?

    Genuine question and not a dig. But even if they did open would you send your kids back. I have a 7 and 13 year old and while i would be 70% sure the 13 year old woulf manage with social distancing etc thr 7 year old hasnt a hope. Short of binding her hands i cant seem to get her to keep them away from her face. She acts before thinking and is a very tactile person. There is not a hope she would actively follow the rules (and not out of badness or us not drilling it in. Just habit that is proving very difficult to break). So i would worry about her, but then im also diabetic so am i just supposed to be considered disposable should i catch it because the kids needed to be back at school so society could get going again. It genuinely messes with my head trying to work around it. Im not saying schools shouldnt open if need be for certain services to return gradually but im definitely questioning if they should open as an educational entity or perhaps as a daycare for parents who need it (somewhat like the front line workers and schools in the uk). I know my views might not be popular and no i dont have answers as to how it should be done but im curious wbout where others stand as i definitely dont think i will be sending mine back until the goverment tell me they are reopening under medical advice rather than economical advice. Xx


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    And in an alternate universe tons of fruit lie rotting in the sun causing a scandal. Why didn't we fly in some fruit pickers and let them isolate for 2 weeks

    It shows that there aren't really any restrictions regarding international travel which during a pandemic is just stupid. I'm however very concerned with food supply. We get a lot of our fruit and veg from the continent. Spain depends on migrant workers from Africa to pick a lot of the fruit veg and that is not happening.
    As this crisis drags on food will start becoming an issue or rather range of food.
    I know we are in a strong position regarding food security but how much of that is underpinned by migrant workers? We kinda threw away our strong position of being an island during pandemic by not closing borders. We could do something stupid regarding food. I know we had fodder issues a few years back due to weather. Those risks haven't gone away. etc. How resilient is our supply chain in that area. I don't know.


    As unpopular as it is. I think lesser of two evils. The government should have addressed this issue with a clear strategy. I know there are lots of people unemployed due to this crisis. There should have been physical distancing on the plane and the people should be quarantined for at least 2 weeks.

    Hard to get them to go do back breaking work in fields that no Irish people have done for a generation if we are being realistic. Taking 350 sitting at home watching Netflix is clearly easier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭KindOfIrish


    It is remarkable how the media and government have hoodwinked people into thinking we're doing just fine.

    Slovenia is right beside Italy, they shut down their border with them on March 10th and have 61 deaths and 1269 cases. They have a similar testing output to ourselves.

    Ireland have 2688 Cases Per Million
    Slovenia have 610 cases Per Million

    So it must be testing right?
    Ireland have tested 18,358 per million people
    Slovenia have tested 18,344 per million people
    Virtually the same

    Ireland has 68 deaths per million
    Slovenia has 29 deaths per million

    Maybe its population density?
    Ireland's population density is 70people per kilometer
    Slovenia is 103 people per kilometer

    And just to remind everyone, Slovenia have a border with Northern Italy. And tons of seasonal workers at the ski resorts.

    We are at U.S level numbers, of which everyone in the Irish media are telling us have done a terrible job.

    Possibly they don't have as many nursing homes as Ireland and their hospitals are run better in terms of hygiene etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    crossman47 wrote: »
    On the first point, I can guarantee if they had, you would have had people complaining about bringing the virus back by visiting a hotspot.

    Your second point barely merits an answer. Have you any understanding of what uncontrolled exponential growth and where we would be now without control measures?

    There have of course been mistakes as will happen in a highly pressurised situation but on the whole we're doing well.

    Seriously? Where do you get this stuff? Do you even believe what you are saying?

    Re uncontrolled growth, if you were around here 6-7 weeks ago, you would have seen numerous people calling for parades to be cancelled, the madness of Cheltenham, schools to be closed, and travel to and from northern Italy immediately suspended. All of which the government either dithered on or did nothing at all. They actually wanted to allow the parades to go ahead to prove we were open for business and to help the tourist and hospitality trade. Insanity.


    Mistakes? I would call them monumental c*ck ups, led by Simon Harris and Leo Varadkar. It didn't have to be this bad. It didn't have to be near this bad. Confirmed cases we are worse per capita than the US, and similar per capita in terms of deaths. Yet all we hear is we are doing well, they are doing terribly.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    What are people's views on this?
    I can only speak to my own experience but I have exercised an ABUNDANCE of caution. I was absent from my teaching job the week before school was shut down because I have asthma. This turned out to be the correct decision days after the school closed, as a parent whose child socialises with children in my class put on her Instagram that she was awaiting test results. Turned out to be positive and a week and a half after the schools shut, so my SNAs and the parents of children in my class were dealing with their special needs children having brought coronavirus into their homes. I felt incredibly guilty that I had protected myself and not warned them, but how could I really have been sure? I would have sounded "hysterical".

    Now my work as a carer is only with one client because one died and I changed my schedule weeks ago. I'm their only help and none of the leave the house. I do shopping for them, I've been doing click and collect which is very nerve-wracking having to go into the shop... but they've freed up slots for carers and the elderly, so I do their shopping with the bits I get for my parents and I have a delivery on Tuesday which should cover three weeks, keeping some in sealed containers in our fridge until the following week which saves me having to do it weekly. I also bought a tonne of my own PPE so I'm using that as we're not allowed to use the agency's stuff when cleaning people's houses or feeding them, only for intimate personal care. Crazy.

    The reason it looks like community transmission is dropping off is because we are not testing in the community.

    I said it last night and I'll say it again, nine of the ten houses on my road have this infection, a total of around 30 people. The two of us living here are the only ones who aren't sick. Only five of these have a confirmed case. This morning as I was watering the plants, I heard choking from the elderly woman next door, who then collapsed in her garden. Her son rang the ambulance. Note that the son that called for the ambulance was in the house, but he isn't a member of her household. She lives with the youngest son and the daughter who is an air hostess who is a confirmed case. The air hostess is not self isolating and regularly goes out, the younger son (around 19) is also not at home this morning for some unknown reason.

    My brother is a contact tracer. He says the scope of who they regard as close contacts is staggeringly limited. Remember the week of our first case, the woman who went from Dublin to Northern Ireland? Nobody who was actually proximal to her on her trip would have been flagged or called, they're not going checking security footage and tracing to discover people's identities. They might have called the bus company but it's up to them then to take further action and they might not.

    The brother says he's literally just following a simple script with the confirmed infected person if they're conscious, "were you chatting with anyone during the week? Do you think you might have been closer to them than 2m?" not feckin CSI like some people think, they don't have the personnel or systems or efficiency within our system to actually do their due diligence.

    My view is that the figures are not stable. We have suppressed the peak, but we're not by any stretch of the imagination over the hill. In a week from now, we'll start seeing the consequences of people going away for the Easter holidays and the numbers will be much less manageable.

    Get comfortable anyway because there's absolutely no way things are going to be lifted in May.


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    the numbers are quite shocking really

    The numbers are only shocking if you did not understand the scale of what we were facing - Lombardy, population 10 million, Deaths 11,000, Ireland population 4.9million, Deaths 486


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Possibly they don't have as many nursing homes as Ireland and their hospitals are run better in terms of hygiene etc.

    There are 21,655 nursing home beds in Slovenia for the elderly and Adults in need (don't know how many are filled)

    There are 25,000+ in nursing homes in Ireland

    The numbers still don't stack.

    Sources
    http://www.sloveniatimes.com/french-firm-gets-licence-to-run-care-homes-in-slovenia

    https://nhi.ie/


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    s1ippy wrote: »
    The reason it looks like community transmission is dropping off is because we are not testing in the community.

    don't disagree with you s1ippy, but in terms of the above point, we are testing in the community no? Haven't they upped the number of tests dramatically, and it's not just testing in hospitals etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,095 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    This man is fecking brilliant and just the tonic we need in these turbulent time.


    Where's the likes for this guy, I think this is brilliant.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    don't disagree with you s1ippy, but in terms of the above point, we are testing in the community no? Haven't they upped the number of tests dramatically, and it's not just testing in hospitals etc.
    Yeah they've upped the test, because they're having to turnover sometimes two tests per person per day in several nursing homes.

    They haven't loosened the case definition, if anything they've tightened it to try and manage the most visible outbreak that's going on. And we're still getting that many positive tests a day, imagine now if they were testing randomly in the community. The high percentage of people who have the virus might come as a shock to some.

    There's never been a time where it's been more likely that you'll contract this than right now, so take no chances and presume more than ever that everybody is a vector of transmission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Guys apparently we are not doing that well as regards total cases per million. Was kind of shocked to see us as no 5 on the list.



    Excellent video, finally someone who understands how to look at numbers
    Ireland was number 5 as most infected country per million in Europe when this video was created. As of yesterday we are now at number 4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    China getting hammered with the second wave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Disturbing number of deaths of notable persons in April 2020 from COVID

    COVID appears as COD in 140 of the entries in this page for April 2020

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_2020


    142 COVID death entries in March 2020
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_March_2020


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,037 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Excellent video, finally someone who understands how to look at numbers
    Ireland was number 5 as most infected country per million in Europe when this video was created. As of yesterday we are now at number 4

    Was just listening to the news there and shocked when they said Ireland also has the highest rate of infection for health care workers in Europe 1/10 cases are health care workers.


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its Trump bashing by our media.

    Wait until its done - will spread through a population of 5 million at a much higher rate than 330 million.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    There are 21,655 nursing home beds in Slovenia for the elderly and Adults in need (don't know how many are filled)

    There are 25,000+ in nursing homes in Ireland

    The numbers still don't stack.

    Sources
    http://www.sloveniatimes.com/french-firm-gets-licence-to-run-care-homes-in-slovenia

    https://nhi.ie/

    Don't worry, this is normally how things go when you make a valid observation.
    • maybe they are like germans and just better
    • maybe they have cleaner air
    • maybe they have different case definition etc.

    Whataboutery someone labelled it.



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