Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

khalessi · 17-04-2020 02:03AM

Minnie Snuggles wrote: »

Just a question, if someone who "suspects" they may have covid-19, and cannot afford health insurance, takes what Trump suggests hydroxychloroquine, and dies of a heart attack, will that death be recorded as a heart attack or covid-19.

I presume heart attack due to overdose of hydrochloroquine

fritzelly · 17-04-2020 02:05AM

Minnie Snuggles wrote: »

Just a question, if someone who "suspects" they may have covid-19, and cannot afford health insurance, takes what Trump suggests hydroxychloroquine, and dies of a heart attack, will that death be recorded as a heart attack or covid-19.

No - stupidity

Minnie Snuggles · 17-04-2020 02:09AM

khalessi wrote: »

I presume heart attack due to overdose of hydrochloroquine

My point is those who cannot afford medical advice, Trump is advising hydrochloroquine, not what dose to take, there are people who are desperate.

17-04-2020 02:10AM

No new reported cases in Vietnam in the last 24 hours. 74,000 in quarantine or forced isolation.

The government's response has been extremely popular with everyone pretty much saying "yeah, the numbers are mad low but you can see why". Seems the one closest to dying is a British guy being kept alive with ECMO, and another old person, patient 20. I'm pretty sure if the latter dies, the girl who lied about being in Italy and brought it back here will be done for manslaughter. She was patient 17.

The country's electronic car manufacturer is teaming up with Medtronic and Foxconn as well to make ventilators.
"Meanwhile, Vingroup will use its automotive unit, VinFast, and its phone unit, VinSmart, to build ventilators. It expects to make 45,000 non-invasive machines and 10,000 invasive machines per month. “Vingroup has an advantage of having both the VinFast automobile factory and VinSmart electronics factory,” says Le Thi Thu Thuy, group vice chairwoman of Vingroup."

fritzelly · 17-04-2020 02:11AM

Minnie Snuggles wrote: »

My point is those who cannot afford medical advice, Trump is advising hydrochloroquine, not what dose to take, there are people who are desperate.

Takes two seconds to google the drug

khalessi · 17-04-2020 02:13AM

Minnie Snuggles wrote: »

My point is those who cannot afford medical advice, Trump is advising hydrochloroquine, not what dose to take, there are people who are desperate.

IF they google they willfind out the side effects including fits and blindness

17-04-2020 02:14AM

My recent ex has been put on that drug in the last few weeks. She's going through her worst lupus flare in years and in an effort to keep her out of hospital, her doctors added it to the steroids she's already on. Must check in with her.

s1ippy · 17-04-2020 02:16AM

Discovered today by overhearing it yelled through the back garden hedge that each of the ten houses on our row (excluding us gives 9) have a confirmed case of coronavirus. Many of them are from the same family but three households aren't related to them. We are very much socially distancing from the sides of the garden.

fritzelly · 17-04-2020 02:24AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Discovered today by overhearing it yelled through the back garden hedge that each of the ten houses on our row (excluding us gives 9) have a confirmed case of coronavirus. Many of them are from the same family but three households aren't related to them. We are very much socially distancing from the sides of the garden.

What are they doing that you are not doing :pac:

Minnie Snuggles · 17-04-2020 02:25AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Takes two seconds to google the drug

I know the drug is a disaster to covid-19 patients, and can cause heart attacks, but the fact is Trump put it out there as an absolute remedy, there are people who will follow him - no matter what, we can even see this on this thread.

Quantum Erasure · 17-04-2020 02:30AM

Kermit.de.frog · 17-04-2020 02:30AM

Deleted User wrote: »

No new reported cases in Vietnam in the last 24 hours. 74,000 in quarantine or forced isolation.

The government's response has been extremely popular with everyone pretty much saying "yeah, the numbers are mad low but you can see why". Seems the one closest to dying is a British guy being kept alive with ECMO, and another old person, patient 20. I'm pretty sure if the latter dies, the girl who lied about being in Italy and brought it back here will be done for manslaughter. She was patient 17.

The country's electronic car manufacturer is teaming up with Medtronic and Foxconn as well to make ventilators.
"Meanwhile, Vingroup will use its automotive unit, VinFast, and its phone unit, VinSmart, to build ventilators. It expects to make 45,000 non-invasive machines and 10,000 invasive machines per month. “Vingroup has an advantage of having both the VinFast automobile factory and VinSmart electronics factory,” says Le Thi Thu Thuy, group vice chairwoman of Vingroup."

Vietnam has reported only 269 cases so far.

The country, along with quite a few others, needs to be sanctioned for lying to the global community.

This won't end with consequences for China.

Minnie Snuggles · 17-04-2020 02:32AM

khalessi wrote: »

IF they google they willfind out the side effects including fits and blindness

I know that (we are in a very fortunate positon) but, just imagine you are facing a bill of 38000 for treatment of covid-19, your rent is due and all the other bills,

s1ippy · 17-04-2020 02:45AM

fritzelly wrote: »

What are they doing that you are not doing :pac:

Going visiting each constantly, as in non stop, interacting with each other all day every day, supermarket trip every day. Generally being absolute morons. The crowd that aren't related to them would be friendly and stop for a chat whereas we have taken 0 chances from day one. Even at the risk of being rude.

I'm worried now about new research that says it has aerosol capability of 6m because they're within spitting distance of us out the back garden and regularly try to engage us.

17-04-2020 02:51AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Vietnam has reported only 269 cases so far.

The country, along with quite a few others, needs to be sanctioned for lying to the global community.

This won't end with consequences for China.

You think a country that did about seventeen million times as much as Ireland to protect its people should be sanctioned.

But no, you don't think they did more or did better. Because of reasons.

17-04-2020 03:29AM

s1ippy one page ago talking about loads of his neighbours being infected.. No word of lockdown and roads closed off and manned by police like has happened here every time a community here has gotten it. No word of food and medicine deliveries since people can't leave and get supplies. No word of contact tracing. No word of the infected being put into quarantine facilities.

You think every country must be approaching this virus the same so any numbers outside the norm must be lies. Every country is not treating this the same. Irish people wouldn't stand for police and medical staff arriving at their door and taking them away because someone on their flight a week ago tested positive. Irish people wouldn't stand for forced two-week quarantine when flights are available, and no flights if facilities are full. Not being allowed back into your own country is anathema to Europeans.

And sanctions for what? Even if they were lying, it doesn't affect the global community. People aren't coming or going and haven't been for a very long time. They aren't benefiting from lying either.. Schools and unis closed since January. All tourism gone. Businesses going under. Police checkpoints and social distancing. Only around ten internal flights a day. Vietnam's concern is how badly everyone else is managing this because that means it won't be letting in normal flights for the rest of the year. If I have to leave, I may as well just sell everything because I won't be able to come back.

And sanctions.. Not for countries that are dealing with this terribly like the UK, or Sweden, or the US. But for countries that you think must be lying. That's what you consider to be the greater crime. It's bizarre. The countries that deserve sanctions are the ones that lied and said masks are completely pointless, because they didn't have enough supplies.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-04-2020 03:43AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And sanctions for what? Even if they were lying, it doesn't affect the global community.

The rest of the nonsense we will leave aside.

You are deadly wrong, literally. There is a highly contagious pathogen causing chaos around the world and you believe a single country lying about it's infections is not an issue for the rest of us?

Well, unless Vietnam is going to be quarantined by the rest of the world then it is a severe problem for us.

You don't seem to understand the dynamics and how it makes otherwise harmless and irrelevant countries on a global stage suddenly extremely important.

No country can lie because if they lie it is a direct threat to all of their neighbors and beyond.

That is why the strong men (Russia, Turkey, Iran...) all fall in line eventually because they know the threat and don't want to be the ones holding the short straw at the end.

The countries bullsh!tting are the ones that no one will trade with and will be restricted from trading with anyone else.

And rightly so.

How you can argue that is somehow unreasonable is beyond me.

17-04-2020 03:56AM

I don't think they're lying so it's irrelevant. Would you rather Ireland handled the virus like Vietnam or no?

Kermit.de.frog · 17-04-2020 05:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think they're lying so it's irrelevant. Would you rather Ireland handled the virus like Vietnam or no?

It does not ring any alarm bells for you knowing the trouble the neighbors are in? Even Thailand somewhat tells the truth and that is with huge doubt over their ability to do pretty much anything really in this regard.

But Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia and Japan all in big trouble - but Vietnam, only 269 cases and no more.

Draw your own conclusions.

Here is the very latest from Myanmar, another beaut

Myanmar to release 25,000 prisoners amid virus fears

More than a quarter of Myanmar’s prison population is to be released, the president’s office announced Friday, as calls grow to ease pressure on overcrowded jails with coronavirus fears gripping the country.

The Southeast Asian nation grants an annual amnesty to thousands of prisoners to mark its April New Year holiday, but this is the largest ever recorded.

So far Myanmar has officially confirmed 85 cases of Covid-19, including four deaths, but experts fear the real number is many times more due to the low numbers tested.

The country is under a nationwide lockdown and there has been growing pressure to release inmates from what Human Rights Watch (HRW) calls “horribly overcrowded and unsanitary” jails.

The release would start immediately, a senior officer of the prison department in Myanmar’s capital Naypyidaw told AFP without giving further details.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/17/coronavirus-live-news-trump-says-29-states-could-reopen-relatively-soon-as-global-deaths-near-145000

Kermit.de.frog · 17-04-2020 05:09AM

China 'reports' 351 new cases and 1,290 deaths (revisions in Wuhan)

17-04-2020 05:10AM

The neighbours Vietnam hasn't allowed flights from in a month, and had forced two-week quarantine in a facility before that.

Anyways, answer my question. Would you rather Ireland handled the virus like Vietnam or no?

DOCARCH · 17-04-2020 05:37AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

China 'reports' 351 new cases and 1,290 deaths (revisions in Wuhan)

Wuhan (China), the epicenter of the pandemic, today reported 1,290 additional deaths that had not been previously counted and reported, bringing the total number of deaths in Wuhan from 2,579 to 3,869, an increase of 50%, as the result of a revision by the Wuhan New Coronary Pneumonia Epidemic Prevention and Control. As part of this revision, 325 additional cases in Wuhan were also added. Separately, China's National Health Commission (NHC) reported 26 new cases (and no deaths) in its daily report.

Rvsmmnps · 17-04-2020 05:44AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The neighbours Vietnam hasn't allowed flights from in a month, and had forced two-week quarantine in a facility before that.

Anyways, answer my question. Would you rather Ireland handled the virus like Vietnam or no?

Firstly Vietnam and Ireland, don't compare reactions from either country when you know so much is different between both places. Let's see how the other EU countries do whilst lifting lockdown.
Your in China? Is there many fat people?

Hintel · 17-04-2020 06:35AM

Bit late getting started on nursing homes

Seems like varadkar and holahan are just responding to the news

hawkelady · 17-04-2020 06:45AM

Hintel wrote: »

Bit late getting started on nursing homes

Seems like varadkar and holahan are just responding to the news

We are where we are. , as the saying goes .. are you suggesting that we just leave nursing homes to it?? You do realise there are still people living in nursing homes , right?
We must do all we can to help them

billybonkers · 17-04-2020 06:58AM

China has revised figures in Wuhan added another 50% to death toll

https://twitter.com/cvpayne/status/1250989987421708289?s=19

threeball · 17-04-2020 07:00AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Wuhan (China), the epicenter of the pandemic, today reported 1,290 additional deaths that had not been previously counted and reported, bringing the total number of deaths in Wuhan from 2,579 to 3,869, an increase of 50%, as the result of a revision by the Wuhan New Coronary Pneumonia Epidemic Prevention and Control. As part of this revision, 325 additional cases in Wuhan were also added. Separately, China's National Health Commission (NHC) reported 26 new cases (and no deaths) in its daily report.

And the rest I'd say. Another attempt to explain away report's of many additional deaths there. It didnt take the CCP over a month to calculate an extra 1300 people.

kaymin · 17-04-2020 07:04AM

hawkelady wrote: »

We are where we are. , as the saying goes .. are you suggesting that we just leave nursing homes to it?? You do realise there are still people living in nursing homes , right?
We must do all we can to help them

'we are where we are' is just not good enough. The head of the nursing homes body was crying out for action to be taken since February but it fell on deaf ears. The HSE even criticised nursing homes for action they took to protect residents early on - ie restricting visitors.

threeball · 17-04-2020 07:10AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Remove the backlog and we're likely looking at about 500 cases a day now. With an R0 of 0.7 its down to 350 in two weeks and 250 in a month. Down to about 100 new cases in 2 months, 40 in 3 months and 20 cases a day in 4 months. Almost eliminated. If we import cases though it will lengthen that time.

The other alternatives are a series of rolling lockdowns lasting a month at a time for 18 months. Or just let it run its course while cocooning the most vulnerable. It would probably run its course in 4-5 months.

Those are the options.

You do realise the R0 is dropping because we're not moving around? So are you advocating we stay in lockdown for another 6 months and if not how do you propose to keep the R rate below 1. We started off here with 2 or 3 carriers and look where we are now. So with a hundred or so carriers this will take off 10 times as quick even with no foreigners if restrictions are lifted.

You gave 3 options when in reality there has only ever been one. I said as much over a month ago. Rolling restrictions to open and close the valve and regulate to the now greater capacity in our health service. Theres no plan B.

theballz · 17-04-2020 07:15AM

Tested on Saturday. Had severe symptoms that week, last 2 days I’ve felt much better. This morning I have woken up with zero taste or smell. Previous symptoms are fully gone.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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