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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #7202
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,892 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Ok, not quite, but very promising early data! Remdsivir was a big hope all along.
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/

    We won’t popthe champagne corks just yet


  • #7203
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Hobgoblin11 wrote: »
    gilead drug trial looks like we found the cure!!!


    https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/

    Remdesivir is the drug in question. Looks promising


  • #7204
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,357 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    ek motor wrote: »
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/

    Remdesivir is the drug in question. Looks promising




    That was being touted a month ago, hopefully it is advancing and working


  • #7205
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Conor mcgregor's favourite physicist. Sums it up really. We could have been much better prepared.

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1249486844410187776?s=20


  • #7206
    jv2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 291 ✭✭jv2000


    ek motor wrote: »
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/

    Remdesivir is the drug in question. Looks promising

    Whilst the drug does look promising it is still only a treatment, it will only be used on patients that have serious symptoms and are hospitalised. It will not reduce the risk of catching COVID-19 unfortunately but could go a long way towards combating the death rate and hopefully at decreasing hospital burden by meaning patients need to be in ICU less and for shorter periods of time. Any step in this direction is a good step forward.


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  • #7207
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,377 ✭✭✭✭fits


    is_that_so wrote: »
    We now understand that it is all about doing things quickly. Right or correct comes afterwards and we can apply all the hindsight and knowledge we've accrued to that.

    Absolutely agree with this. I’m actually pretty positive about the government response. However there are things we would all change if we could go back.

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  • #7208
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Unless I misread, that says nothing at all about the UK government admitting that Coronavirus deaths are greatly under reported. Perhaps you could quote where the article does?

    As far as I know and open to correction, but only hospital deaths are included in official figures. So acceptance the police are dealing with large number of covid death at home is acknowledgement that official figures are underreported.


  • #7209
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    pc7 wrote: »
    That was being touted a month ago, hopefully it is advancing and working
    They are expecting much wider data by the end of the month. There are 152 similar trials going on worldwide with 2,400 patients.


  • #7210
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    We are still not doing enough. We have to stop people entering the country without being quarantined. We have to stop people who are not adhering to the rules of the lockdown.

    Are we not capable of manufacturing ppe gear and the other necessary medical supplies instead of sending flights all over the place?


  • #7211
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    ek motor wrote: »
    China are probably still lying about their figures, even with this change of their death toll. Doubtful we'll ever hear the true figures from them.

    WHO have lost credibilty because of their attitude towards China and the statements they've come out with since the initial outbreak was being reported in China.

    None of the western countries, ourselves included have stood up to China. We knew about the human rights abuses, prison camps, atrocious working conditions but we needed China for economic reasons. They were always above official criticism.
    Trump only cared about Trade in his battles with China, not the behavior of the government.
    So how was a relatively small part of the UN expected to criticize China and the same time ensure access to the country. They would have been left high and dry by the international community.


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  • #7212
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    eagle eye wrote: »
    We are still not doing enough. We have to stop people entering the country without being quarantined. We have to stop people who are not adhering to the rules of the lockdown.

    Are we not capable of manufacturing ppe gear and the other necessary medical supplies instead of sending flights all over the place?
    WHO's own research on travel bans suggest there is little evidence it does much. We're below 1 in terms of transmission and virtually zero growth in the community, what else do you expect us to do? That discussion on manufacturing is ongoing.


  • #7213
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭jay0109


    is_that_so wrote: »
    WHO's own research on travel bans suggest there is little evidence it does much. We're below 1 in terms of transmission and virtually zero growth in the community, what else do you expect us to do? That discussion on manufacturing is ongoing.

    How can anyone say a travel ban does not work when it's exactly that which has brought about the drop in transmission. Internal and external restrictions on travel do work...it's as obvious as night following day.

    But of course some people let their ideological views trump everything else even at this time :(


  • #7214
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    is_that_so wrote:
    WHO's own research on travel bans suggest there is little evidence it does much. We're below 1 in terms of transmission and virtually zero growth in the community, what else do you expect us to do? That discussion on manufacturing is ongoing.
    How can you still have faith in an organisation which has been so wrong from the the outset with this virus and ignore the results from a country like Taiwan who imposed major travel restrictions?


  • #7215
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jay0109 wrote: »
    How can anyone say a travel ban does not work when it's exactly that which has brought about the drop in transmission. Internal and external restrictions on travel do work...it's as obvious as night following day.

    But of course some people let their ideological views trump everything else even at this time :(
    What you're talking about is restrictions, not a ban. The WHO and others says it's these other countermeasures that have the impact. Here's some info on it.

    https://www.cato.org/blog/research-provides-no-basis-pandemic-travel-bans


  • #7216
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    eagle eye wrote: »
    How can you still have faith in an organisation which has been so wrong from the the outset with this virus and ignore the results from a country like Taiwan who imposed major travel restrictions?
    I'm talking about their research, not their current "actions". Taiwan has used a wide range of measures, which are likely to be far more effective.


  • #7217
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    jay0109 wrote: »
    How can anyone say a travel ban does not work when it's exactly that which has brought about the drop in transmission. Internal and external restrictions on travel do work...it's as obvious as night following day.

    But of course some people let their ideological views trump everything else even at this time :(

    Yeah transportation the number one controllable variable.

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1249669107202523136?s=20


  • #7218
    Pablo Escobar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Ok, not quite, but very promising early data! Remdesivir was a big hope all along.
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/

    A lot of the work on this is going on in Cork as far as I'm aware.


  • #7219
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Our blame target group for the week is Bulgarian fruit pickers! Thought it would be sweaty joggers, tank-sized buggies or just anyone outside their door.


  • #7220
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    is_that_so wrote:
    I'm talking about their research, not their current "actions". Taiwan has used a wide range of measures, which are likely to be far more effective.
    And we should be following the Taiwan model.


  • #7221
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    to be fair it is bizarre advice from the WHO - they seem to make no distinction between banning passenger travel alone and a total ban that includes essential services and people etc.

    https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak

    Recommendations for international traffic

    WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.

    In general, evidence shows that restricting the movement of people and goods during public health emergencies is ineffective in most situations and may divert resources from other interventions. Furthermore, restrictions may interrupt needed aid and technical support, may disrupt businesses, and may have negative social and economic effects on the affected countries. However, in certain circumstances, measures that restrict the movement of people may prove temporarily useful, such as in settings with few international connections and limited response capacities.

    Travel measures that significantly interfere with international traffic may only be justified at the beginning of an outbreak, as they may allow countries to gain time, even if only a few days, to rapidly implement effective preparedness measures. Such restrictions must be based on a careful risk assessment, be proportionate to the public health risk, be short in duration, and be reconsidered regularly as the situation evolves.

    Travel bans to affected areas or denial of entry to passengers coming from affected areas are usually not effective in preventing the importation of cases but may have a significant economic and social impact. Since WHO declaration of a public health emergency of international concern in relation to COVID-19, and as of 27 February, 38 countries have reported to WHO additional health measures that significantly interfere with international traffic in relation to travel to and from China or other countries, ranging from denial of entry of passengers, visa restrictions or quarantine for returning travellers. Several countries that denied entry of travellers or who have suspended the flights to and from China or other affected countries, are now reporting cases of COVID-19.


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  • #7222
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    eagle eye wrote: »
    And we should be following the Taiwan model.
    On travel nope. They do aggressive contact tracing, they isolate, they have an app. All of these are known to have a great effect, the former is not.


  • #7223
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    is_that_so wrote:
    On travel nope. They do aggressive contact tracing, they isolate, they have an app. All of these are known to have a great effect, the former is not.
    We should be following their model in its entirety. They have shown success, you or I or the Irish government or WHO have not..


  • #7224
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    How have we reached near zero community growth with the supposed (and I am not disagreeing or agreeing) risks of supermarket and lack of masks? Those 2 elements having been regularly discussed as being the main outstanding risks in the community right now?

    What are people's views on this?


  • #7225
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Our blame target group for the week is Bulgarian fruit pickers! Thought it would be sweaty joggers, tank-sized buggies or just anyone outside their door.

    Except nobody is blaming the fruit pickers are they. It's Keelings people have the gripe with and rightfully so but of course you already know this.


  • #7226
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭jay0109


    froog wrote: »
    to be fair it is bizarre advice from the WHO - they seem to make no distinction between banning passenger travel alone and a total ban that includes essential services and people etc.

    It's entirely predictable that a Globalist organisation will say nothing negative about international travel. All about a world with no borders and a pandemic isn't going to change their overriding ideology.

    Any 'research' or advice they offer has to be viewed from that angle. How some people cannot see that tells you all you need to know about their world view


  • #7227
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,095 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    This man is fecking brilliant and just the tonic we need in these turbulent time.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #7228
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    BanditLuke wrote:
    Except nobody is blaming the fruit pickers are they. It's Keelings people have the gripe with and rightfully so but of course you already know this.
    Correct and as a regular purchaser of their products I'm extremely unhappy. I won't be buying any of their products ever again.


  • #7229
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Our blame target group for the week is Bulgarian fruit pickers! Thought it would be sweaty joggers, tank-sized buggies or just anyone outside their door.


    Private hospitals and the 44k cost per bed. 4X uk.

    3 weeks ago wrote this.....so obvious.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112950526&postcount=8989
    Originally Posted by Blaaz_ View Post
    They are being used on a not-for-profit basis for the duration of the pandemic

    Does that count for the suppliers too? i.e great if the hospital is charging cost price but bad if the same person who owns the hospital also owns the company supplying goods and services to the hospital and elastic bands cost 20 euro.

    technically operated at cost price but would cost a lot more than a public bed.

    https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1250839564991619073?s=20


  • #7230
    moonlighting_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭moonlighting_1


    Guys apparently we are not doing that well as regards total cases per million. Was kind of shocked to see us as no 5 on the list.



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  • #7231
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    billybonkers wrote: »
    Ireland has contained and effectively suppressed coronavirus in the population at large


    Ireland hasn't contained the spread yet.

    With 700 new cases in one day we are far from that goal


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