Relaxation of restrictions

thebaz · 16-04-2020 11:58PM

Restrictions seam relaxed at Dublin airport, and for Ryan air

alwald · 17-04-2020 12:26AM

thebaz wrote: »

Restrictions seam relaxed at Dublin airport, and for Ryan air

That's the standard we have to deal with in this thread.
I took the hassle to check all departures/arrivals both for yesterday and today, and I reached a different conclusion than yours.

Loafing Oaf · 17-04-2020 12:30AM

Anyone think libraries will be among the earliest 'leisure' facilities opening up again? Shouldn't be that hard to do it safely, especially if they have those self-service checkout machines...

lainey_d_123 · 17-04-2020 12:32AM

shocksy wrote: »

Just because you want it to happen doesn't mean it will work out for you.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that the school year for this year is finished. They're not gonna rush children back into school for a lousy few weeks just because you or anyone else are fed up of your kids being at home.

They were one of the first to be closed and they'll be one of the last to reopen.

It doesn't matter a f*ck what Denmark and the likes are doing. Time will tell how it works out for them. I'd be much happier keeping them closed than gambling with such an idea. The Scandinavian countries are doing their own things, they aren't even showing unity on their decisions so anything they decide to do I'd take with a pinch of salt. Let them gamble for the rest of us.

I'll happily await your "you were right" reply when the schools don't reopen for this term.

Have to agree. It would be insanity to open up the schools before at least September. Kids/teens are major spreaders of the virus and sure we're nearly into May now anyway. No point undoing all this hard work for the sake of a few weeks. Feel very sad for those who won't be able to sit exams and whatnot but this one is a no brainer.

Cupatae · 17-04-2020 12:36AM

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Have to agree. It would be insanity to open up the schools before at least September. Kids/teens are major spreaders of the virus and sure we're nearly into May now anyway. No point undoing all this hard work for the sake of a few weeks. Feel very sad for those who won't be able to sit exams and whatnot but this one is a no brainer.

They ve more time to study, to get higher marks..possibly get ridiculously good points and get into college for whatever they like. Can be a positive depending on what way ya wanna look at it.

thebaz · 17-04-2020 12:37AM

alwald wrote: »

That's the standard we have to deal with in this thread.
I took the hassle to check all departures/arrivals both for yesterday and today, and I reached a different conclusion than yours.

did you figure out what herd immunity was yet and what the projected death rate might be ?

nevermind, your right , the standard is ****e.

alwald · 17-04-2020 12:46AM

thebaz wrote: »

did you figure out what herd immunity was yet and what the projected death rate might be ?

nevermind, your right , the standard is ****e.

I am clearly wasting my time here...the topics were about the Spanish flu endgame and the current death rate based on closed cases not projected...but nevermind indeed.

thebaz · 17-04-2020 12:49AM

alwald wrote: »

I am clearly wasting my time here...the topics were about the Spanish flu endgame and the current death rate based on closed cases not projected...but nevermind indeed.

clearly - too many baby steps - good night

alwald · 17-04-2020 12:52AM

thebaz wrote: »

clearly - too many baby steps - good night

It's bad enough but I have to quote myself

alwald wrote: »

So let me explain, the "rough" estimate for herd immunity to work is that at least 60% of the population must catch C-19 which is akin to a genocide/massacre due to the number of deaths worldwide.

alwald wrote: »

Here is a correction to your facts, the death rate stands at 21% and not your 0.5%.

Good night indeed :pac:!

thebaz · 17-04-2020 01:10AM

alwald wrote: »

It's bad enough but I have to quote myself

Good night indeed :pac:!

The death rate more than likely will be well under 1% , not the 20% you were saying.

As a vaccine is at least 12 months away , most countrys will probably be forced into a slow herd immunity appproach, that will somhow protect the vulnerable, via cocooning and general social distancing, and a flatening the curve so as to reduce the healthcare strain; this is NOT genocide - which is willingly killing a large proportion of a population, every effort will be made to try minimise that, whilst trying to open up the country and reduce other medical and social problems.

Cupatae · 17-04-2020 01:27AM

thebaz wrote: »

The death rate more than likely will be well under 1% , not the 20% you were saying.

As a vaccine is at least 12 months away , most countrys will probably be forced into a slow herd immunity appproach, that will somhow protect the vulnerable, via cocooning and general social distancing, and a flatening the curve so as to reduce the healthcare strain; this is NOT genocide - which is willingly killing a large proportion of a population, every effort will be made to try minimise that, whilst trying to open up the country and reduce other medical and social problems.

Are you deliberately trying to misunderstand what his saying to you or are you incapable of reading between the lines?

alwald · 17-04-2020 01:27AM

thebaz wrote:

The death rate more than likely will be well under 1% , not the 20% you were saying.

The 21% represents the current death rate based on closed cases and not the final death rate which is estimated to be anything between 0.3% to 3%.
I hope this is clearer now.

thebaz wrote:

As a vaccine is at least 12 months away , most countrys will probably be forced into a herd immunity appproach, that will somhow protect the vulnerable, via cocooning and general social distancing, and a flatening the curve so as to reduce the healthcare strain; this is NOT genocide - which is willingly killing a large proportion of a population, every effort will be made to try minimise that, whilst trying to open up the country and reduce other medical and social problems.

I made the link with a genocide not based on the action but rather the number of deaths which can reach 46M worldwide.

Cupatae · 17-04-2020 01:32AM

alwald wrote: »

The 21% represents the current death rate based on closed cases and not the final death rate which is estimated to be anything between 0.3% to 3%.
I hope this is clearer now.

I made the link with a genocide not based on the action but rather the number of deaths which can reach 46M worldwide.

its closer to 10% now i think, with more cases world wide

niallo27 · 17-04-2020 01:59AM

Even the most pessimistic miserable misery loving people dont expect a death rate of 10% but yet we have a few posters here quoting even up to 21%. I'd say you lot are one bundle of joy to be around.

niallo27 · 17-04-2020 02:02AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

So your assuming that those that required hospital treatment had underlying conditions.

And your also assuming that when restrictions are lifted those with underlying conditions will cocoon, even though they haven't been cocooning for the last few weeks?

I'm not assuming most serious cases had underlying conditions, it's a fact. If they haven't been cocooning then natural selection will play its course.

Tell me how · 17-04-2020 02:07AM

niallo27 wrote: »

I'm not assuming most serious cases had underlying conditions, it's a fact. If they haven't been cocooning then natural selection will play its course.

What you're talking about isn't natural selection.

Paddygreen · 17-04-2020 02:27AM

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Have to agree. It would be insanity to open up the schools before at least September. Kids/teens are major spreaders of the virus and sure we're nearly into May now anyway. No point undoing all this hard work for the sake of a few weeks. Feel very sad for those who won't be able to sit exams and whatnot but this one is a no brainer.

Kids and teens should be kept indoors.

Idbatterim · 17-04-2020 02:33AM

lockdown merchants, should I be worried about the sky falling in any time soon?

pjohnson · 17-04-2020 07:07AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

lockdown merchants, should I be worried about the sky falling in any time soon?

Nah I think its 5G you guys need to worry about remember?

Cyrus · 17-04-2020 08:16AM

shocksy wrote: »

Just because you want it to happen doesn't mean it will work out for you.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that the school year for this year is finished. They're not gonna rush children back into school for a lousy few weeks just because you or anyone else are fed up of your kids being at home.

They were one of the first to be closed and they'll be one of the last to reopen.

It doesn't matter a f*ck what Denmark and the likes are doing. Time will tell how it works out for them. I'd be much happier keeping them closed than gambling with such an idea. The Scandinavian countries are doing their own things, they aren't even showing unity on their decisions so anything they decide to do I'd take with a pinch of salt. Let them gamble for the rest of us.

I'll happily await your "you were right" reply when the schools don't reopen for this term.

Because I’m fed up of my kids ? This is your level and it’s clearly a waste of my and anyone else’s time engaging with you . Tell you what why don’t you lock yourself down regardless of whatever else happens might be best for all

dundalkfc10 · 17-04-2020 08:25AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Kids and teens should be kept indoors.

What about the many teenagers in my area who work in supermarkets, shops, in hospitals etc

Teenagers in my estate are going to the shop for elderly people etc

Sure make them all stay at home

pjohnson · 17-04-2020 08:28AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

What about the many teenagers in my area who work in supermarkets, shops, in hospitals etc

Sure make them all stay at home

If any of them have underlying conditions they wont be allowed return to those jobs if we needlessly rush things.

easypazz · 17-04-2020 08:31AM

pjohnson wrote: »

If any of them have underlying conditions they wont be allowed return to those jobs if we needlessly rush things.

And there will be no jobs to return to if we don't start to move on soon.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 17-04-2020 08:39AM

easypazz wrote: »

And there will be no jobs to return to if we don't start to move on soon.

Dunno - Amazon are hiring and don't seem to mind you worlking if you're sick.

pjohnson · 17-04-2020 08:40AM

easypazz wrote: »

And there will be no jobs to return to if we don't start to move on soon.

Even on The Walking Dead people had jobs :pac:

What are you predicting to wipeout civilaitazion?

KiKi III · 17-04-2020 08:41AM

easypazz wrote: »

And there will be no jobs to return to if we don't start to move on soon.

All jokes aside, I think you’d be finding this lockdown easier to deal with if you weren’t spending every waking hour on this thread.

I know withdrawing from it for the most part over the last few days has been good for me.

Aside from being on boards, what are you spending your time on? Have you attempted any creativity? Are you getting some exercise? Are you doing phone calls/ video calls with people in your life?

c montgomery · 17-04-2020 08:42AM

pjohnson wrote: »

If any of them have underlying conditions they wont be allowed return to those jobs if we needlessly rush things.

Same as any age group then

dundalkfc10 · 17-04-2020 09:01AM

pjohnson wrote: »

If any of them have underlying conditions they wont be allowed return to those jobs if we needlessly rush things.

I will go round now tell them not to go to work, I'm sure the Lourdes hospital and Louth hospital, care homes won't mind once they tell them they won't be allowed go back to work if we rush things

hmmm · 17-04-2020 09:12AM

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Kids/teens are major spreaders of the virus

This has not been proven.

Most kids get a very minor illness. The research on whether they are also significant sources of spread has not been completed.

There are huge costs to society having kids out of school/childcare - we need to make decisions based on facts.

17-04-2020 09:16AM

hmmm wrote: »

............. The research on whether they are also significant sources of spread has not been completed.

There are huge costs to society having kids out of school/childcare - we need to make decisions based on facts.

Indeed, I imagine government will err on the side of caution and not reopen primary schools until September though. Just my view, I've no kids.

AFAIK there's been no further update on the childcare for essential medical workers....... https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0406/1128838-childcare-healthcare-staff/

"Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said the Government is ready to push the button on providing childcare to essential healthcare workers.

However, he said it needed public health clearance in order for the initiative to go ahead.

Mr Varadkar said a number of proposals have been put together which were being considered by the National Public Health Emergency Team.

The Taoiseach said it was not an issue of money or staff available, it was an issue of public health clearance.

He said this was something the Government really wanted to do and he said it was taking much longer than the Government would like."

Reopening primary schools would be a larger issue by far I would think.

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