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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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thebaz

alwald wrote: »

as you are the only suggesting that the expected death rate is 21%.

not engaging with nonsense.

alwald

thebaz wrote: »

no, just calling out scaremongering statistics such as 21% , when most studies expect a death rate well below 1% - we will know next month who is right, once anti-body results are assessed to see how widespread virus is in population.
all the reading between the lines and baby steps is making me dizzy.

What we already know is that you didn't understand the last few posts on these figures as you are the only one suggesting that the expected death rate is 21%.

thebaz

Cupatae wrote: »

Are you deliberately trying to misunderstand what his saying to you or are you incapable of reading between the lines?

no, just calling out scaremongering statistics such as 21% , when most studies expect a death rate well below 1% - we will know next month who is right, once anti-body results are assessed to see how widespread virus is in population.
all the reading between the lines and baby steps is making me dizzy.

[Deleted User]

Speakerboxx wrote: »

I see social distancing and stay at home was live and well in Dublin Airport yesterday with Keelings bringing in 190 fruit pickers from Bulgaria. That is nothing but a disgrace when our country is in lock down. Time to boycott Keelings products me thinks

I think those workers are going to go into 14 day quarantine, and they'll be adhering to all guidelines while here.
Food production is classed as essential iirc.

iamwhoiam

hmmm wrote: »

This has not been proven.

Most kids get a very minor illness. The research on whether they are also significant sources of spread has not been completed.

There are huge costs to society having kids out of school/childcare - we need to make decisions based on facts.

I asked yesterday about the kids and spread .I searched for any research on the matter and cannot find any proof positive that kids are a huge spreading risk .
It a bit like the toilet paper shortage it grew legs and now everyone just presumes kids are little petri dishes walking around spreading it .I am just not convinced they are a super spreader .

DeVore

Speakerboxx wrote: »

I see social distancing and stay at home was live and well in Dublin Airport yesterday with Keelings bringing in 190 fruit pickers from Bulgaria. That is nothing but a disgrace when our country is in lock down. Time to boycott Keelings products me thinks

Keelings published a statement saying all those workers will be self isolating for 14 days.

Cyrus

BanditLuke wrote: »

All efforts should now concentrate on safely reopening schools in September if at all possible. Can't see it myself at present as we are presently living in a country that has no temperture checks at supermarkets/random on the street, doesn't enforce the wearing of masks in public, allows jogging on footpaths, gatherings in parks etc.. so i don't think we have the organisational capacity to pull it off for September.

The "reopen in May" brigade really need to stop doing it to themselves.

allows jogging on footpaths, and you cant see schools reopening for the next acadamic year, in 4.5 months time.

if you are to be believed the country is finished.

whats this jogging on footpaths nonsense you have a problem with?

iamwhoiam

alwald wrote: »

I was talking to a 5 years old who understood the difference between the death rate of closed cases and expected death rate and yet some don't understand it here.

Why were you discussing that with a 5 year old ? Honestly a 5 year old doesnt need to be taking about death rates .

Speakerboxx

I see social distancing and stay at home was live and well in Dublin Airport yesterday with Keelings bringing in 190 fruit pickers from Bulgaria. That is nothing but a disgrace when our country is in lock down. Time to boycott Keelings products me thinks

the kelt

I can’t see any chance of schools being back before September in all honesty apart from those doing the leaving cert who will possibly see a return in July and maybe some college exams.

Restrictions will be eased in May but the easing of those restrictions will be work based, opening up various industries, business etc where they can enforce social distancing relatively easily etc I would think.

Might also be an easing on leisure activities depending on their nature, for example I don’t see why proper measures could not be put in place for golf to be played by members of the public once the clubhouse etc is off limits, it’s practically a socially distant sport anyway, not that it matters to me as being crap at it and not having the patience meant it was a non runner for me no matter how many times I tried it.

Blanket easing of restrictions isn’t going to happen which is understandable really.

alwald

niallo27 wrote: »

Even the most pessimistic miserable misery loving people dont expect a death rate of 10% but yet we have a few posters here quoting even up to 21%. I'd say you lot are one bundle of joy to be around.

I was talking to a 5 years old who understood the difference between the death rate of closed cases and expected death rate and yet some don't understand it here.

fryup

If the government relax restrictions and people go back to their old ways...and then a few weeks down the line there's a resurgence of infections....it will be very difficult to get people to return to lockdown mode.

That's what the government are trying to avoid.

[Deleted User]

BanditLuke wrote: »

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The "reopen in May" brigade really need to stop doing it to themselves.

Fairly normal for folk to hope that schools might open sometime in May. If workplaces reopen and aren't overly into WFH etc then people have quite difficult scenarios to deal with.

Not difficult in comparison to being immunocompromised or 70+ or sick etc but difficult none the less.

BanditLuke

All efforts should now concentrate on safely reopening schools in September if at all possible. Can't see it myself at present as we are presently living in a country that has no temperture checks at supermarkets/random on the street, doesn't enforce the wearing of masks in public, allows jogging on footpaths, gatherings in parks etc.. so i don't think we have the organisational capacity to pull it off for September.

The "reopen in May" brigade really need to stop doing it to themselves.

bladespin

Paddygreen wrote: »

Kids and teens should be kept indoors.

I don't think we need to be so draconian about it, the main issue around younger children is their hygiene (or lack - sorry kids), and the fact that most don't display symptoms thereby increasing spread risk.

So yes, I think kids should be kept away from other people bar immediate family but no not locked away.

No idea where the teenager comment comes in, at that stage they're well aware of what they need to do.

[Deleted User]

hmmm wrote: »

............. The research on whether they are also significant sources of spread has not been completed.

There are huge costs to society having kids out of school/childcare - we need to make decisions based on facts.

Indeed, I imagine government will err on the side of caution and not reopen primary schools until September though. Just my view, I've no kids.

AFAIK there's been no further update on the childcare for essential medical workers....... https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0406/1128838-childcare-healthcare-staff/

"Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said the Government is ready to push the button on providing childcare to essential healthcare workers.

However, he said it needed public health clearance in order for the initiative to go ahead.

Mr Varadkar said a number of proposals have been put together which were being considered by the National Public Health Emergency Team.

The Taoiseach said it was not an issue of money or staff available, it was an issue of public health clearance.

He said this was something the Government really wanted to do and he said it was taking much longer than the Government would like."

Reopening primary schools would be a larger issue by far I would think.

hmmm

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Kids/teens are major spreaders of the virus

This has not been proven.

Most kids get a very minor illness. The research on whether they are also significant sources of spread has not been completed.

There are huge costs to society having kids out of school/childcare - we need to make decisions based on facts.

dundalkfc10

pjohnson wrote: »

If any of them have underlying conditions they wont be allowed return to those jobs if we needlessly rush things.

I will go round now tell them not to go to work, I'm sure the Lourdes hospital and Louth hospital, care homes won't mind once they tell them they won't be allowed go back to work if we rush things

c montgomery

pjohnson wrote: »

If any of them have underlying conditions they wont be allowed return to those jobs if we needlessly rush things.

Same as any age group then

KiKi III

easypazz wrote: »

And there will be no jobs to return to if we don't start to move on soon.

All jokes aside, I think you’d be finding this lockdown easier to deal with if you weren’t spending every waking hour on this thread.

I know withdrawing from it for the most part over the last few days has been good for me.

Aside from being on boards, what are you spending your time on? Have you attempted any creativity? Are you getting some exercise? Are you doing phone calls/ video calls with people in your life?

pjohnson

easypazz wrote: »

And there will be no jobs to return to if we don't start to move on soon.

Even on The Walking Dead people had jobs :pac:

What are you predicting to wipeout civilaitazion?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

easypazz wrote: »

And there will be no jobs to return to if we don't start to move on soon.

Dunno - Amazon are hiring and don't seem to mind you worlking if you're sick.

easypazz

pjohnson wrote: »

If any of them have underlying conditions they wont be allowed return to those jobs if we needlessly rush things.

And there will be no jobs to return to if we don't start to move on soon.

pjohnson

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

What about the many teenagers in my area who work in supermarkets, shops, in hospitals etc

Sure make them all stay at home

If any of them have underlying conditions they wont be allowed return to those jobs if we needlessly rush things.

dundalkfc10

Paddygreen wrote: »

Kids and teens should be kept indoors.

What about the many teenagers in my area who work in supermarkets, shops, in hospitals etc

Teenagers in my estate are going to the shop for elderly people etc

Sure make them all stay at home

Cyrus

shocksy wrote: »

Just because you want it to happen doesn't mean it will work out for you.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that the school year for this year is finished. They're not gonna rush children back into school for a lousy few weeks just because you or anyone else are fed up of your kids being at home.

They were one of the first to be closed and they'll be one of the last to reopen.

It doesn't matter a f*ck what Denmark and the likes are doing. Time will tell how it works out for them. I'd be much happier keeping them closed than gambling with such an idea. The Scandinavian countries are doing their own things, they aren't even showing unity on their decisions so anything they decide to do I'd take with a pinch of salt. Let them gamble for the rest of us.

I'll happily await your "you were right" reply when the schools don't reopen for this term.

Because I’m fed up of my kids ? This is your level and it’s clearly a waste of my and anyone else’s time engaging with you . Tell you what why don’t you lock yourself down regardless of whatever else happens might be best for all

pjohnson

Idbatterim wrote: »

lockdown merchants, should I be worried about the sky falling in any time soon?

Nah I think its 5G you guys need to worry about remember?

Idbatterim

lockdown merchants, should I be worried about the sky falling in any time soon?

Paddygreen

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Have to agree. It would be insanity to open up the schools before at least September. Kids/teens are major spreaders of the virus and sure we're nearly into May now anyway. No point undoing all this hard work for the sake of a few weeks. Feel very sad for those who won't be able to sit exams and whatnot but this one is a no brainer.

Kids and teens should be kept indoors.

Tell me how

niallo27 wrote: »

I'm not assuming most serious cases had underlying conditions, it's a fact. If they haven't been cocooning then natural selection will play its course.

What you're talking about isn't natural selection.