thebaz wrote: » Restrictions seam relaxed at Dublin airport, and for Ryan air
shocksy wrote: » Just because you want it to happen doesn't mean it will work out for you. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that the school year for this year is finished. They're not gonna rush children back into school for a lousy few weeks just because you or anyone else are fed up of your kids being at home. They were one of the first to be closed and they'll be one of the last to reopen. It doesn't matter a f*ck what Denmark and the likes are doing. Time will tell how it works out for them. I'd be much happier keeping them closed than gambling with such an idea. The Scandinavian countries are doing their own things, they aren't even showing unity on their decisions so anything they decide to do I'd take with a pinch of salt. Let them gamble for the rest of us. I'll happily await your "you were right" reply when the schools don't reopen for this term.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » Have to agree. It would be insanity to open up the schools before at least September. Kids/teens are major spreaders of the virus and sure we're nearly into May now anyway. No point undoing all this hard work for the sake of a few weeks. Feel very sad for those who won't be able to sit exams and whatnot but this one is a no brainer.
alwald wrote: » That's the standard we have to deal with in this thread. I took the hassle to check all departures/arrivals both for yesterday and today, and I reached a different conclusion than yours.
thebaz wrote: » did you figure out what herd immunity was yet and what the projected death rate might be ? nevermind, your right , the standard is ****e.
alwald wrote: » I am clearly wasting my time here...the topics were about the Spanish flu endgame and the current death rate based on closed cases not projected...but nevermind indeed.
thebaz wrote: » clearly - too many baby steps - good night
alwald wrote: » So let me explain, the "rough" estimate for herd immunity to work is that at least 60% of the population must catch C-19 which is akin to a genocide/massacre due to the number of deaths worldwide.
alwald wrote: » Here is a correction to your facts, the death rate stands at 21% and not your 0.5%.
alwald wrote: » It's bad enough but I have to quote myself Good night indeed :pac:!
thebaz wrote: » The death rate more than likely will be well under 1% , not the 20% you were saying. As a vaccine is at least 12 months away , most countrys will probably be forced into a slow herd immunity appproach, that will somhow protect the vulnerable, via cocooning and general social distancing, and a flatening the curve so as to reduce the healthcare strain; this is NOT genocide - which is willingly killing a large proportion of a population, every effort will be made to try minimise that, whilst trying to open up the country and reduce other medical and social problems.
thebaz wrote: The death rate more than likely will be well under 1% , not the 20% you were saying.
thebaz wrote: As a vaccine is at least 12 months away , most countrys will probably be forced into a herd immunity appproach, that will somhow protect the vulnerable, via cocooning and general social distancing, and a flatening the curve so as to reduce the healthcare strain; this is NOT genocide - which is willingly killing a large proportion of a population, every effort will be made to try minimise that, whilst trying to open up the country and reduce other medical and social problems.
alwald wrote: » The 21% represents the current death rate based on closed cases and not the final death rate which is estimated to be anything between 0.3% to 3%. I hope this is clearer now. I made the link with a genocide not based on the action but rather the number of deaths which can reach 46M worldwide.
Ace2007 wrote: » So your assuming that those that required hospital treatment had underlying conditions. And your also assuming that when restrictions are lifted those with underlying conditions will cocoon, even though they haven't been cocooning for the last few weeks?
niallo27 wrote: » I'm not assuming most serious cases had underlying conditions, it's a fact. If they haven't been cocooning then natural selection will play its course.
Idbatterim wrote: » lockdown merchants, should I be worried about the sky falling in any time soon?
Paddygreen wrote: » Kids and teens should be kept indoors.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » What about the many teenagers in my area who work in supermarkets, shops, in hospitals etc Sure make them all stay at home
pjohnson wrote: » If any of them have underlying conditions they wont be allowed return to those jobs if we needlessly rush things.
easypazz wrote: » And there will be no jobs to return to if we don't start to move on soon.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » Kids/teens are major spreaders of the virus
hmmm wrote: » ............. The research on whether they are also significant sources of spread has not been completed. There are huge costs to society having kids out of school/childcare - we need to make decisions based on facts.
