Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

quokula · 16-04-2020 03:11PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

How is it still getting into homes?
Oh yeah, people agree bringing it. We've been weeks in lockdown, all those home cases should have worked themselves out by now.

The homes still need to be staffed, the residents still need to be cared for, food and other supplies need to be brought in, maintenance needs to occur. There are many ways for it to get in without people ignoring the rules.

Hand hygiene, PPE and other precautions should all minimise the risk of course but short of everyone wearing full respirator outfits and scaring the residents to death nothing is completely foolproof.

BanditLuke · 16-04-2020 03:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's a letter circulating about pubs being closed until September 1st. I'm guessing it's fake, but looks pretty convincing for those who wouldn't be aware.

Can't see that being true. They'll be lucky to open this year again tbh.

growleaves · 16-04-2020 03:15PM

Can't see that being true. They'll be lucky to open this year again tbh.

On that timescale most of them will be gone.

Hope the replacements aren't all UK-owner chain pubs like Wetherspoons.

is_that_so · 16-04-2020 03:16PM

https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1250794679144251392

Azatadine · 16-04-2020 03:17PM

I don't think pubs will open again this year either. Restaurants may open later in the year with social distancing set ups but pubs, no.

expectationlost · 16-04-2020 03:17PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Lidl was crammed today, families and couples shopping together, lads queuing for a few cans, social distance of about 2 feet. People aren't taking the restrictions seriously in this country

lidl managers fault

was it portmarnock?

https://twitter.com/ArleneJCock/status/1250799049646714880

cork street ?
https://twitter.com/MichelleAMKC/status/1250780739089678337

Rathfarnham
https://twitter.com/RoisinMcGarr/status/1250707300026851328

castlebar
https://twitter.com/lidl_ireland/status/1250756152469618689

FVP3 · 16-04-2020 03:17PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Lidl was crammed today, families and couples shopping together, lads queuing for a few cans, social distance of about 2 feet. People aren't taking the restrictions seriously in this country

You keep repeating this, everywhere is crammed. Nothing on social media, or anybody else's experience confirms this.

When I shop the queues go around the block, not because theres all that many in the queues but because the people are observing 2-3 metres.

And why is lidl "packed". Are they leaving too many people in?

Dr. Bre · 16-04-2020 03:17PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's a letter circulating about pubs being closed until September 1st. I'm guessing it's fake, but looks pretty convincing for those who wouldn't be aware.

Is it going around what’s app?

MrMusician18 · 16-04-2020 03:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

what people need to understand is that the measures put in place were never expected to stop all transmission, but to reduce the opportunities for infection by >90%. If we do that R0 will drop below 1, cases will decline, and restrictions can be eased in a controlled manner.

100% prevention of transmission of a virus like SARS COV-2 is not possible as some people need to still get to work to keep the lights on, keep food in the supermarkets, collect the rubbish, among many other essential services, not least the huge amount of people in healthcare. This is where cases are coming from

No it's not. 60% of transmission is in the community, or in other words, they don't know where these people caught it. It means people are not coughing into their elbows, they are touching dirty surfaces then touching their face, it means that are not keeping distance.

While I agree that 100% prevention of transmission of a disease like covid isn't possible at this point (it was possible much earlier in the epidemic btw) - simply because people are not willing or able to abide by the strict conditions necessary to prevent spread.

R0 will not drop below 1 until there is a vaccine or the infected isolate properly, people follow the rules at all times or it burns its way through the community.

I've never understood the reluctance for society to take the blame for the crises it itself creates. It's always the government or some other institutions, never the community, which of course, though the sum of many small negligences is where the real blame lies.

ceadaoin. · 16-04-2020 03:18PM

growleaves wrote: »

It could be the humidity in the air rather than the temp

Its not just temperature. Its more to do with the UV index. For example, its been warm and sunny where I am lately, up into the mid 20s. But the sun itself isn't that strong yet despite it being warm. I can go out without sunscreen because I wouldn't burn the same way I would in the summer. Its a good time to get my vitamin d up because it will be 40+ degrees in a couple of months.

Probably the same applies to Spain where it is still spring. High levels of UV kill viruses on surfaces so that's why its expected that summer will help to reduce the spread, even in Ireland where it might not be hot, the UV index is still high during those months. UV and heat in combination with extremes at either end of the humidity scale are theorized to not make conditions ideal for the virus to live in droplets for very long.

tobefrank321 · 16-04-2020 03:18PM

I think we have two choices come May 5th. There is probably no point going for a holding middle ground until a vaccine comes along which realistically could be 12-18 months away at the earliest.

1. Enforce the lockdown even more - go for an Wuhan/Hong Kong/Taiwan attempt at eliminating it completely. This might mean two whole months of extreme measures, far more extreme than anything so far - also includes shutting the NI border, shutting down all civilian air traffic and particularly shutting down civilian traffic on ferries (we know from the Birr funeral what a joke the ferry issue is). Isolate away from their familes all positive cases, use mobile phone location to track cases, etc

2. Lift the lockdown and let it run its course - cocooning as best we can for the next year those in the vulnerable categories and identifying as best we can those most susceptible such as those in the obese or diabetes categories. Let everyone else return to work. Even encourage the spread with the renewal of sports events and the likes - aim for gradually increasing herd immunity in the longer term.

The holding pattern we are in right now is just not sustainable from an economic or social point of view. It has to be one of the options I mentioned, either go for more restrictions to try stamp it out fully and after that restrict and quarantine visitors to the country, or else allow it run its course.

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 03:18PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Look forward to your research paper on this. General thinking on SARS is that it burnt itself out, far too virulent and killed 1 in 10.

Plenty of info on the web to support that. SARS and MERS burnt out to do containment and as you said inability for the virus to spread too much because it killed too many too quickly

The weather isn't going to kill Covid19

podgeandrodge · 16-04-2020 03:18PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Just heard there is new memos going around in the HSE today the community spread is huge and the restrictions aren't working.

They are calling vulnerable people who aren't over 70 encouraging them to cocoon.

Amirani wrote: »

This isn't true.

Unfortunately it appears to be true. I found the memo floating around myself. :eek:;)

Curious_Case · 16-04-2020 03:19PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Can't see that being true. They'll be lucky to open this year again tbh.

September 1st is a very long way away, I would expect pubs to be open before then.

Lots can happen in May, June, July & August and we're still in April

16-04-2020 03:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's a letter circulating about pubs being closed until September 1st. I'm guessing it's fake, but looks pretty convincing for those who wouldn't be aware.

I see retail reopening soon enough, tradespeople going about their business, restrictions on movement and domestic holidaying being relaxed, and coffee shops and cafes opening (with limited seating). And hopefully all that happens soon, with the backdrop of mask wearing and hygiene standards.

But for the life of me I can’t see how pubs can possibly reopen before all the above has happened and the numbers of new infections are negligible. So probably not this year. That (fake) letter is too ambitious

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 03:23PM

FVP3 wrote: »

You keep repeating this, everywhere is crammed. Nothing on social media, or anybody else's experience confirms this.

When I shop the queues go around the block, not because theres all that many in the queues but because the people are observing 2-3 metres.

And why is lidl "packed". Are they leaving too many people in?

I repeat what i see, I was in LIDL today and what i saw has little to do with safety. Lock down means 1 person going shopping per house hold, no couples or families. Also doing a big shopping versus doing small repeated visits to the shop.

People should keep 2 mt distance while queuing at the till but when the queues get long people start moving around and you find someone right next to you peeking over to the next till looking for a shorter queue.
This is all very unsafe, honestly I'm hoping for proper restrictions to be implemented for a couple of weeks or maybe 1 full month

FVP3 · 16-04-2020 03:24PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I see there is now some traction behind the bio lab in Wuhan explanation. Interesting times.

The traction is Trump and Pompeo mouthing off from whatever fever swamp of neo-con propaganda they are reading.

Now that Trump has started to believe this, fewer people will. He is clearly deflecting.

By the way if it was a lab, why not the US?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evidence-virus-originated-us/5706078

But it wasn't a lab:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

smelly sock · 16-04-2020 03:26PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I think we have two choices come May 5th. There is absolutely no point going for a holding middle ground.

1. Enforce the lockdown even more - go for an Wuhan/Hong Kong/Taiwan attempt at eliminating it completely. This might mean two whole months of extreme measures, far more extreme than anything so far - also includes shutting the NI border, shutting down all civilian air traffic and particularly shutting down civilian traffic on ferries (we know from the Birr funeral what a joke the ferry issue is. Isolate away form their familes all positives, use mobile phone location to track cases, etc

2. Lift the lockdown and let it run its course - cocooning as best we can for the next year those in the vulnerable categories and identifying as best we can those most susceptible such as those in the obese or diabetes categories. Let everyone else return to work. Even encourage the spread with the renewal of sports events and the likes - aim for herd immunity in the longer term.

The holding pattern we are in right now is just not sustainable from an economic or social point of view. It has to be one of the options I mentioned, either go for more restrictions to try stamp it out fully and after that restrict and quarantine visitors to the country, or else allow it run its course.

Wow. I wouldn't agree with point 1. I think come the 5th there will see a considerable and controller lifting of restrictions to allow the Economy to start to function again.

I'd agree with point 2. Come the 5th of May we need to keep protecting the Vulnerable. I think this can be done in tandem with a controlled lifting of restrictions.

Pubs and the hospitality businesses have to remain closed until further notice. I feel for everyone affected but that but there is just no way they can reopen until we are clear of Covid.

Anyone who can work remotely should continue to do so.

Building sites should reopen and they should continue with social distancing measures. Perhaps the different trades could rotate the days they work etc.

The like of the retail parks should reopen again with strict restrictions. It is all doable and can be successful along with keeping the new cases down.

This current lockdown won't be forced on us after the 5th of May that we know. It's up to the Govt. how much the Economy and people suffer from here on in. A balance needs to be struck. There is no point people coming on here talking about the sunrise and andrea Bocelli giving them a lift and all the vulnerable people they know and all that ****e if we don't have something to return to in terms of living standards.

People can argue that I'm being inhumane that's fine. But there is a practical element to this and people have every right to protect their income and job.

FVP3 · 16-04-2020 03:26PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I repeat what i see, I was in LIDL today and what i saw has little to do with safety. Lock down means 1 person going shopping per house hold, no couples or families. Also doing a big shopping versus doing small repeated visits to the shop.

People should keep 2 mt distance while queuing at the till but when the queues get long people start moving around and you find someone right next to you peeking over to the next till looking for a shorter queue.
This is all very unsafe, honestly I'm hoping for proper restrictioIns to be implemented for a couple of weeks or maybe 1 full month

I repeat what I see everywhere, nothing like that. Theres so few people in the supermarket I go to the tills are mostly empty. Most people are outside.

Best we can say is that you are incredibly unlucky everytime you go out.

Take a picture next time.

16-04-2020 03:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's a letter circulating about pubs being closed until September 1st. I'm guessing it's fake, but looks pretty convincing for those who wouldn't be aware.

If its not attributable to an individual or reliable source, i find it best to ignore all these

smelly sock · 16-04-2020 03:27PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I repeat what i see, I was in LIDL today and what i saw has little to do with safety. Lock down means 1 person going shopping per house hold, no couples or families. Also doing a big shopping versus doing small repeated visits to the shop.

People should keep 2 mt distance while queuing at the till but when the queues get long people start moving around and you find someone right next to you peeking over to the next till looking for a shorter queue.
This is all very unsafe, honestly I'm hoping for proper restrictions to be implemented for a couple of weeks or maybe 1 full month

Look its the lockdown police.

May be very valid reasons as to why more than one person from a household has to go shopping.

16-04-2020 03:28PM

is_that_so wrote: »

https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1250794679144251392

sounds entirely reasonable

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 03:29PM

FVP3 wrote: »

I repeat what I see everywhere, nothing like that. Theres so few people in the supermarket I go to the tills are mostly empty. Most people are outside.

Best we can say is that you are incredibly unlucky everytime you go out.

Take a picture next time.

Sounds like you going out a lot too if you see this everywhere, I think i got my answer already

16-04-2020 03:29PM

Azatadine wrote: »

I don't think pubs will open again this year either. Restaurants may open later in the year with social distancing set ups but pubs, no.

Micheal McDowell's cafe bar idea may finally come in to its own

Hobgoblin11 · 16-04-2020 03:29PM

Trump will reopen the US today for business, comeback kid

Richard Hillman · 16-04-2020 03:30PM

My local tesco are doing well in limiting numbers but I did notice this week that there were a few couples knocking about. It is completely unnecessary for 2 able bodied people to be shopping. Standards are slipping. N

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 03:31PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

My local tesco are doing well in limiting numbers but I did notice this week that there were a few couples knocking about. It is completely unnecessary for 2 able bodied people to be shopping. Standards are slipping. N

Yep they are and it's too soon for that

Larbre34 · 16-04-2020 03:31PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Oh So weather has actually very little impact on transmission?

for Ebola? Nope. Lifestyle, traditions and physical environment.

SleetAndSnow · 16-04-2020 03:33PM

I saw that pub letter, total bs. Office of an taoiseach, signed Tony Halohan? He's in the department of health. One I saw has the letter open in Word aswell..

auspicious · 16-04-2020 03:33PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

want to see if your neighbour has it?

( re. HSE cases map )
No thanks. I'm not part of that posse. I'm sure if one spends considerable time on this thread one's response can be a little short on occasion.

Surely if the HSE has gone to the trouble of compiling and releasing the map it would not be distributed to the media alone but made widely available to the public also.
If it is a public resource I am entitled to view it at my leisure.
If you have a link or such would you be so kind as to provide it?

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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