Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Mental Mickey · 16-04-2020 02:26PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

A friend who is listed as vulnerable got the call this morning.

The community spread is huge and restrictions aren't working.

Is there an OFFICIAL source for this? Myself and my wife are cocooning but we haven't received any such calls?

growleaves · 16-04-2020 02:28PM

A friend who is listed as vulnerable got the call this morning.

The community spread is huge and restrictions aren't working.

A man I know under 70 who has conditions told me today that he got a call from his doctor asking him not to do his own shopping and to stay in.

Alf Veedersane · 16-04-2020 02:29PM

'Chinese whispers' has sinister undertones now...

easypazz · 16-04-2020 02:29PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

A friend who is listed as vulnerable got the call this morning.

The community spread is huge and restrictions aren't working.

Source?

Amirani · 16-04-2020 02:29PM

growleaves wrote: »

A man I know under 70 who has conditions told me today that he got a call from his doctor asking him not to do his own shopping and to stay in.

This has been the advice for at risk groups all along: https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/cocooning.html

Cocooning is for people who:

are over 70 years of age - even if you're fit and well
are solid organ transplant recipients
have cancer and are undergoing active chemotherapy or radical radiotherapy for lung cancer
have cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma who are at any stage of treatment
are having immunotherapy or other continuing antibody treatments for cancer
are having other targeted cancer treatments which can affect the immune system, such as protein kinase inhibitors or PARP inhibitors
have had bone marrow or stem cell transplants in the last 6 months, or who are still taking immunosuppression drugs
have severe respiratory conditions including cystic fibrosis, severe asthma and severe COPD
have rare diseases and inborn errors of metabolism that significantly increase the risk of infections (such as SCID, homozygous sickle cell)
are on immunosuppression therapies sufficient to significantly increase risk of infection
are pregnant and have significant heart disease, congenital or acquired

If you are unsure whether or not you need to cocoon or not, talk to your doctor.

History Queen · 16-04-2020 02:30PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

OK fine don't believe me.

I'm just saying what my friend who wouldn't lie was told over the phone.

I don't care whether you believe it or not.

Is there any chance you or your friend misunderstood? My mother in law is under 70 but vulnerable because of an underlying illness and she was called and advised to cocoon weeks ago. The nurse who rang her said she was ringing several of that particular consultants patients that day to offer the same advice. I wouldn't see that as any more than good clinical practice and would think your friend should have known/been advised to cocoon sooner.

easypazz · 16-04-2020 02:30PM

growleaves wrote: »

A man I know under 70 who has conditions told me today that he got a call from his doctor asking him not to do his own shopping and to stay in.

Did the doctor give as a reason being

"The restrictions ARE NOT working"

growleaves · 16-04-2020 02:31PM

Did the doctor give as a reason being

"The restrictions ARE NOT working"

No.

Alf Veedersane · 16-04-2020 02:32PM

growleaves wrote: »

A man I know under 70 who has conditions told me today that he got a call from his doctor asking him not to do his own shopping and to stay in.

People under 70 with certain conditions were supposed to be cocooning since the end of March

Larbre34 · 16-04-2020 02:33PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

OK fine don't believe me.

I'm just saying what my friend who wouldn't lie was told over the phone.

I don't care whether you believe it or not.

Its fine, we don't. Nonetheless its good advice and consistent with the ongoing instructions.

Every other day the Dept of Health / NPHET are having to address various rumours, fake whatsapps and whatnot and its ridiculous.

Personally, I think Tony Holohan is sharing as much with the general public as he can be sure of and stand over. Yes things change often, but they have a greater responsibility than any of us could fathom to balance clear direction with avoiding undue anxiety in the general populace. If people don't believe THEM in turn, then you should just close the curtains for the next 2 years, cos really they are not out to put you at risk.

Everyone should do everyone else a favour and avoid giving oxygen to bullshyte, hearsay or the latest reports from Granny's best friend's poodle.

Iamabeliever · 16-04-2020 02:34PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

In what way?

In my unprofessional opinion,
1. Viruses don't survive well in hot sunny weather
2. Other countries with hotter climates seem to prove my point
3. immune systems is stronger in summer

I could be open to correction on any of above points.

Jinglejangle69 · 16-04-2020 02:34PM

growleaves wrote: »

A man I know under 70 who has conditions told me today that he got a call from his doctor asking him not to do his own shopping and to stay in.

Were lying though.

blade1 · 16-04-2020 02:36PM

Poorside wrote: »

Some people are still in work and very glad of the extra day this week.

Yeah like me.
Was supposed to be on 9 days holidays but due to people ringing in saying they are afraid of catching Corona I was asked could I work and no date in the near future for my holiday's.

Was working good Friday and on Saturday morning I was just going cutting the lawn and I got a phonecall asking can I come in to ease the workload.

Monday comes and sitting at home, eating ****.
I could have been working instead.
So yeah, in my situation where we are busier than ever, taking bank holiday Mondays is a waste at the moment.
Way too busy to be taking meaningless days off.

16-04-2020 02:36PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

A friend who is listed as vulnerable got the call this morning.

The community spread is huge and restrictions aren't working.

Where I work, I am part of in work contact tracing team for 600 employees in the event that someone leaves with symptoms, is sent for testing or tests positive. It is 13 days since we had an employee sent for testing. A total of 20 people sent for testing since we started. Waiting results for 2 people and 2 positive, both of whom were tested over 3 weeks ago. It is definitely working, and about 60% of these employees travel to work daily as it is an essential employer

easypazz · 16-04-2020 02:36PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Were lying though.

You are lying about this claim you have made.

The community spread is huge and restrictions aren't working.

Your claim, nobody else's.

growleaves · 16-04-2020 02:36PM

People under 70 with certain conditions were supposed to be cocooning since the end of March

Yes I know.

I don't see any contradiction though. Lots of people are quite fuzzy about the restrictions and don't follow the news closely so a reminder from a local doctor isn't outlandish.

Jinglejangle69 · 16-04-2020 02:38PM

easypazz wrote: »

You are lying about this claim you have made.

The community spread is huge and restrictions aren't working.

Your claim, nobody else's.

OK fine.

My friend and me have absolutely no reason to lie about this.

That's the last I'll say as I'm obviously annoying people.

Move in and forget it.

Alf Veedersane · 16-04-2020 02:38PM

growleaves wrote: »

Yes I know.

I don't see any contradiction though. Lots of people are quite fuzzy about the restrictions and don't follow the news closely so a reminder from a local doctor isn't outlandish.

No absolutely I don't think its outlandish at all. I just don't think it was linked to the other poster's claim though I'm not saying you were necessarily saying they were linked either

Amirani · 16-04-2020 02:39PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

In my unprofessional opinion,
1. Viruses don't survive well in hot sunny weather
2. Other countries with hotter climates seem to prove my point
3. immune systems is stronger in summer

I could be open to correction on any of above points.

1. This is the case for some/most viruses, but not all. MERS for example existing only in the warm Middle East.
2. Spain has had weather consistently of 20 degrees plus during their outbreaks.
3. May be correct, yeah.

Stheno · 16-04-2020 02:41PM

Community transmission down from 66 to 52% according to the DoH dashboard

https://twitter.com/jimmymacRTE/status/1250490344522895361?s=19

growleaves · 16-04-2020 02:42PM

2. Spain has had weather consistently of 20 degrees plus during their outbreaks.

Madrid is 18C right now. If all parts of Spain can get over 26C this summer then we'll see.

The hottest part of Spain Cordoba has so far had zero deaths from coronavirus.

16-04-2020 02:44PM

growleaves wrote: »

A man I know under 70 who has conditions told me today that he got a call from his doctor asking him not to do his own shopping and to stay in.

It's clear they are expanding to ask vulnerable people to cocoon as they understand the impact of the virus more. I know of someone in their late 40's with an underlying, but under control heart condition who was advised by their GP a number of weeks ago that they could still travel to work in an essential service. Subsequently they got ill, isolated, tested and just got negative results 2 days ago. They are now being advised by GP to remain at home. They understand the risks to individuals better now, which is why they are advising people with pre existing conditions to remain at home. Maybe they are telling some people its rampant to reinforce that message

New Home · 16-04-2020 02:45PM

growleaves wrote: »

Madrid is 18C right now. If all parts of Spain can get over 26C this summer then we'll see.

The hottest part of Spain Cordoba has so far had zero deaths from coronavirus.

Iamabeliever wrote: »

In my unprofessional opinion,
1. Viruses don't survive well in hot sunny weather
2. Other countries with hotter climates seem to prove my point
3. immune systems is stronger in summer

I could be open to correction on any of above points.

Now, while I appreciate that a virus outside of a body isn't the same as a virus inside it, if temperature alone were to affect it, it would be enough for people to develop a fever to be rid of it, and we know this isn't the case.

Gael23 · 16-04-2020 02:45PM

I’m 28 and and I have an autoimmune condition and have been told to limit my movement

growleaves · 16-04-2020 02:47PM

Now, while I appreciate that a virus outside of a body isn't the same as a virus inside it, if temperature alone were to affect it, it would be enough for people to develop a fever to be rid of it, and we know this isn't the case.

It could be the humidity in the air rather than the temp

caveat emptor · 16-04-2020 02:47PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Accidents can and do happen, and even the Washington Post has written about US cables that stated their concerns over the lab in Wuhan back in 2018 and the lack of qualified technicians and the risks it posed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/editorial/opinion--us-diplomatic-cables-warned-of-wuhan-lab-safety-issues-the-world-needs-answers/2020/04/16/936e1ece-b717-4b4d-afe9-11e2f1590781_video.html

Unfortunately accidents to happen....... a lot. Not just china.
Human error in high-biocontainment labs: a likely pandemic threat

Still, lab safety has been a problem in China. “A safety breach at a Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention lab is believed to have caused four suspected SARS cases, including one death, in Beijing in 2004. A similar accident caused 65 lab workers of Lanzhou Veterinary Research Institute to be infected with brucellosis in December 2019,” Huang wrote. “In January 2020, a renowned Chinese scientist, Li Ning, was sentenced to 12 years in prison for selling experimental animals to local markets.

https://thebulletin.org/2019/02/human-error-in-high-biocontainment-labs-a-likely-pandemic-threat/

United States Government Accountability Office report including how anthrax thought to be inactive sent to 200 locations worldwide.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/680/679392.pdf

16-04-2020 02:48PM

Amirani wrote: »

1. This is the case for some/most viruses, but not all. MERS for example existing only in the warm Middle East.
2. Spain has had weather consistently of 20 degrees plus during their outbreaks.
3. May be correct, yeah.

Maybe the warm middle east contributed to the reason it never went out of control?

podgeandrodge · 16-04-2020 02:48PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

This is looking less and less like a conspiracy theory.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sorry for speculating. I linked to nature. Of course its origin doesn't really change much for us as we are where we are now. I was reprimanded for using the term airborne early on. HSE reports showing transmission in some clusters as being airborne. I will cease and desist until such a time that it is proven.

Not getting into the space of 'conspiracy theory' (as in deliberately engineered) as mod has decided that it should not be considered as a possibility (for the purposes of this thread).

But I don't think anyone can rule out the possibility of an accidental leak from normal tests - that is entirely possible and cannot yet be discounted.

expectationlost · 16-04-2020 02:48PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Just heard there is new memos going around in the HSE today the community spread is huge and the restrictions aren't working.

They are calling vulnerable people who aren't over 70 encouraging them to cocoon.

lack of masks for general public

is_that_so · 16-04-2020 02:48PM

growleaves wrote: »

It could be the humidity in the air rather than the temp

Still one of the many unknowns about this virus.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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