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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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  • #3242
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    theological wrote: »
    Germany might have handled this better. There'll be lots to learn when this is over.
    Not might have, the data and the graph confirm that they are actually handling it much better. Why is UK doing so poorly?


  • #3243
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Goodness you're reading a lot into one word there lads. Forgive me for using might to indicate "may well have" which is also a legitimate use in the English language.


  • #3244
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    As it might be. And it is something to be cautiously welcomed I guess. But we can't really really know as you can't trust anything coming from a Tory govt as inept as this.

    Agreed on the trust of the Tories, but I don't see these numbers as being anything political. They are put together by the civil service, just happens that a politician then announces them at 5pm every day.

    The chancellor saying that they are going to give X pounds to Y for Z is political. A civil servant adding up number A and B, not getting hold of number C and giving answer D is not political. Even if the reason that number C isn't available is due to under funding by the government.


  • #3245
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    robinph wrote: »
    Agreed on the trust of the Tories, but I don't see these numbers as being anything political. They are put together by the civil service, just happens that a politician then announces them at 5pm every day.

    The chancellor saying that they are going to give X pounds to Y for Z is political. A civil servant adding up number A and B, not getting hold of number C and giving answer D is not political. Even if the reason that number C isn't available is due to under funding by the government.

    Respectfully,

    The decision to take a herd immunity approach was political.
    The decision to not stock up on PPE and tests was political.
    The decision to not include deaths in care homes in the daily figures is political.
    The decision to not test in care homes is political.
    The decision to only include positive Covid tested deaths in the ONS statistics where previously all suspected deaths as listed on the death certificate were included is political especially in light of the political decision to limit tests in care homes.

    Considering the amount of testing that many other governments are doing and are able to do, including Spain and Italy whose health systems seem to have collapsed, it is completely reasonable to argue that the inability to test in the UK is a political choice rather than logistical necessity especially when it seems to enable the political end of damage limitation to the reputation of this government.


  • #3246
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Listening to Matt Hancock here. It's great he cares so much but nothing about being shamed into all this by a series of negative news headlines.


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  • #3247
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Might?
    The numbers definitley indicate this is the case.
    The fact that the UK is so unprepared (despite everyone getting the same notifications) that they had to accept ventilators from the German army must surely stick in the throats of so many English.
    I think the British will need to learn a lot after this. I honestly don't think they will learn a single thing however!
    The Anglo Saxons are descended from Germanic tribes so why you think the Germans helping Britain would annoy them is strange,perhaps you need to improve your history and geography knowledge Seth.


  • #3248
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The Anglo Saxons are descended from Germanic tribes so why you think the Germans helping Britain would annoy them is strange,perhaps you need to improve your history and geography knowledge Seth.

    Are you serious?

    ---

    Two world wars and one world cup... need us more than we need them, don't mention the war... Brexit...

    Seriously? You're going back to the Saxons?


  • #3249
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The Anglo Saxons are descended from Germanic tribes so why you think the Germans helping Britain would annoy them is strange,perhaps you need to improve your history and geography knowledge Seth.

    I can't see "Germanic tribes" being a factor in Germany's attitude to Britain during this pandemic. WW1, WW2 and Brexit would be much bigger factors. Anyway, only 36% of British DNA is Anglo Saxon. Interestingly, 23% is Irish.


  • #3250
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Curiously Alex Thompson of C4 asks a couple of tough questions, doesnt particularly get much of an answer predictably enough, but then instead of the customary do you want to follow up Alex, Hancock introduces next reporter and cuts Thompson off. Last thing you hear is Thompson going "hmmm" before screen goes blank. All bit of a nonsense these anyway, nearly all questions are the same and they dont really answer them anyway.


  • #3251
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Hancock also saying lots of nhs staff didnt get tested because they didnt want to do it over the easter. Want a factcheck on that one please. Oh, and he's going to give social care workers a badge which should at least take their minds off the ppe they dont have for a zillionth of a second.


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  • #3252
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I can't see "Germanic tribes" being a factor in Germany's attitude to Britain during this pandemic. WW1, WW2 and Brexit would be much bigger factors. Anyway, only 36% of British DNA is Anglo Saxon. Interestingly, 23% is Irish.

    If you read the post I replied to,I pointed out the British have no problem with the Germans which the poster had suggested,not the other way round.


  • #3253
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The Anglo Saxons are descended from Germanic tribes so why you think the Germans helping Britain would annoy them is strange,perhaps you need to improve your history and geography knowledge Seth.
    ur having a laugh mate


  • #3254
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Laura Hughes of FT also denied chance by Hancock to follow up her question about an earlier promise to have 25k tests a day by mid april. Turns out Hancock not telling truth here either.

    https://twitter.com/rowenamason/status/1250465190891659270?s=20


  • #3255
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    If you read the post I replied to,I pointed out the British have no problem with the Germans which the poster had suggested,not the other way round.

    You just can't be actually serious? How do you get through the day thinking such nonsense?


  • #3256
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Are you serious?

    ---

    Two world wars and one world cup... need us more than we need them, don't mention the war... Brexit...

    Seriously? You're going back to the Saxons?

    Are`nt you aware the British are commonly referred to as Anglo Saxons bonnie?
    Those embarrassing songs football thugs sing don`t represent the general view of the majority of British people who see Germany as friends and allies.


  • #3257
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Are`nt you aware the British are commonly referred to as Anglo Saxons bonnie?
    Those embarrassing songs football thugs sing don`t represent the general view of the majority of British people who see Germany as friends and allies.

    Never heard a Scotsman being called Anglo Saxon.


  • #3258
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Never heard a Scotsman being called Anglo Saxon.

    I had to check myself as I thought it may just be the English but according to this link it also includes parts of Scotland.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxons


  • #3259
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Are`nt you aware the British are commonly referred to as Anglo Saxons bonnie?
    Those embarrassing songs football thugs sing don`t represent the general view of the majority of British people who see Germany as friends and allies.

    Of course I am aware, though it usually refers to the English more so than the "British". It is that awareness that has me and others confused though.

    You stated that the Anglo-Saxon heritage is why Brexiters wouldn't be miffed at receiving help from Germany.

    It seemed a tenuous and frightfully bizarre link at best, especially as ot comes in the post-Brexit-they need us more then we need them-german car manufacturers will force the EU to cave etc" era.

    As bizarre as a lot of your contributions are, this is definitely up there.
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I had to check myself as I thought it may just be the English but according to this link it also includes parts of Scotland.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxons


    And as for using that map of the extent of the Angles foray into the land of the Scots and Picts as a way of glossing over your tarring of Scots a2s Anglo-Saxon; then given Cumbria seems to be invaded by Strathclydian hordes as well, I'm claiming Cumbria for the Scots!


  • #3260
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It really doesn't read like these people have any genuine interest in what is happening.

    Britain is still in control of a part of Ireland with lots of Irish people living there. I'm worried about what happens if we're able to relax restrictions here before they do in Britain.

    Nobody seems to have any answers as to whether we can/will stop people from Britain flooding into Ireland for a break from their restrictions if ours are relaxed, or if Unionists in the north will cooperate on an all-Ireland basis.

    We're forced to be concerned about what's happening in Britain. I look forward to the day when we can act as one island - I don't want the next generation having to deal with this shit. The sooner we have a United Ireland the better for us all.


  • #3261
    jm08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I had to check myself as I thought it may just be the English but according to this link it also includes parts of Scotland.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxons




    That link talks about the Anglo-Saxons creating what is now the English nation. The reference they make to Scotland is that they spoke Anglo-Saxon (Old English) on the East Coast of Scotland.



    That like saying Irish people are English because they speak English.


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  • #3262
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Of course I am aware, though it usually refers to the English more so than the "British". It is that awareness that has me and others confused though.

    You stated that the Anglo-Saxon heritage is why Brexiters wouldn't be miffed at receiving help from Germany.

    It seemed a tenuous and frightfully bizarre link at best, especially as ot comes in the post-Brexit-they need us more then we need them-german car manufacturers will force the EU to cave etc" era.

    As bizarre as a lot of your contributions are, this is definitely up there.




    And as for using that map of the extent of the Angles foray into the land of the Scots and Picts as a way of glossing over your tarring of Scots a2s Anglo-Saxon; then given Cumbria seems to be invaded by Strathclydian hordes as well, I'm claiming Cumbria for the Scots!

    I did`nt mention brexiteers.Why would you say that,unless you are being disingenuous?
    I`ll probably file your post alingside your assertion that the Robert Koch institute is a `dodgy`website and not a German government department.:pac:


  • #3263
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I did`nt mention brexiteers.Why would you say that,unless you are being disingenuous?
    I`ll probably file your post alingside your assertion that the Robert Koch institute is a `dodgy`website and not a German government department.:pac:

    Oh no. Rob has gotten bristley again.

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You can't even catch that break.

    Off he'll run no doubt...


  • #3264
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The Anglo Saxons are descended from Germanic tribes so why you think the Germans helping Britain would annoy them is strange,perhaps you need to improve your history and geography knowledge Seth.
    Aah come on now. Your trolling can be better than this rubbish. Honestly? :rolleyes:


  • #3265
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Aah come on now. Your trolling can be better than this rubbish. Honestly? :rolleyes:


    There's a lot of trolling all round and a lot of baseless speculation also. I'd like to discuss the facts and the topic.


  • #3266
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Aah come on now. Your trolling can be better than this rubbish. Honestly? :rolleyes:

    It can't.
    theological wrote: »
    There's a lot of trolling all round and a lot of baseless speculation also. I'd like to discuss the facts and the topic.

    No you don't.


  • #3267
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    It can't.



    No you don't.
    I wonder will it be the Germans that are first to come up with a safe vaccine?


  • #3268
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Oh no. Rob has gotten bristley again.

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You can't even catch that break.

    Off he'll run no doubt...

    As someone who has poked fun at my knowledge of Ireland,your lack of knowledge about the UK,it`s people and history is hilarious.
    In regards to people running off,as I recall as soon as the odds don`t suit you ,you do a pretty good disappearing act yourself!Pot,kettle,black etc springs to mind!:rolleyes:


  • #3269
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,713 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    theological wrote: »
    We've already been warned by a mod about dragging Brexit into the thread.

    It'd be super if we could actually chat about the facts. On the care home numbers I think the medical advisors have explained why the care home figures are not included in the daily numbers and that the UK isn't alone in this.

    Is there anything else of note or of substance beyond empty speculation?

    Here's some facts for you in particular from a highly reliable source:

    https://www.actuaries.org.uk/news-and-insights/news/deaths-attributable-covid-19

    Over 25k additional deaths as of week 14 2020. This is the bottom line impact of covid 19 thus far that can't be explained any other way.


  • #3270
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Aah come on now. Your trolling can be better than this rubbish. Honestly? :rolleyes:

    Sorry to rain on your parade again Seth..:rolleyes:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_people


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  • #3271
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on your parade again Seth..:rolleyes:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_people
    What? :confused:


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