Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

BanditLuke · 15-04-2020 02:53PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Even CNN who hate Trump were giving out about the WHO last night, saying they were slow to call it a pandemic.

The initial WHO response to this was woeful, no-one disputes that. They advised people to fly away, both in and out of China. This was the starting point for the worldwide spread.

If this was isolated to China early, we'd actually have a functioning world economy at the moment, instead of wrecked economies and another Great Depression on the way.

Incredible people are failing to grasp this.

spookwoman · 15-04-2020 02:53PM

https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1250436948545527814?s=20

Mwengwe · 15-04-2020 02:53PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

If people want to get defensive about feeling inadequate about not doing enough physical excercise, I can understand.

Running is better for you than walking, helps your immune system fight infection. If you're not running, I'd suggest for people to take it up. Might lessen the burden on the healthcare system if people are generally more healthy.

Nice. I'm absolutely pining for my gym fwiw, but sacrifices must be made. I'm improvising some exercises at home where I'm not on top of anyone.

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 02:54PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

Not everything. Jogging right up by someone is as bad as sneezing near them at the moment, we have the evidence to see that. If people want to be defensive about it I can understand, but the evidence is there.

Would like to see this... Do you have a link, etc.?

Mwengwe · 15-04-2020 02:56PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Would like to see this... Do you have a link, etc.?

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/belgian-study-on-safe-distancing-while-exercising-goes-viral/

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 02:56PM

is_that_so wrote: »

This is still coming up 15 threads later. It is not an EU competency. They can only do as they have done and block travel into the EU. WHO don't agree with your categorisation of a mistake. It is more likely to be the other measures at work, social distancing etc. their research suggests.

WHO? Seriously? A body that denied human to human transmission was possible and only called it a pandemic after most countries were in deep sh*t. A bit of forewarning would have been helpful. WHO have done a lot of good things in the past but the way they have been played by the Chinese in all this is without doubt.

You cannot social distance infinitely.

As for it not being an EU competency, this is exactly why many people have a problem with the EU. Whenever there is a crisis, they sh*t their pants and are unable to act in time to prevent it escalating hugely. Next to no leadership on this.

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 02:57PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

Nice. I'm absolutely pining for my gym fwiw, but sacrifices must be made. I'm improvising some exercises at home where I'm not on top of anyone.

If we ban jogging now, we might as well ban it forever.

Hobgoblin11 · 15-04-2020 02:59PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

WHO? Seriously? A body that denied human to human transmission was possible and only called it a pandemic after most countries were in deep sh*t. A bit of forewarning would have been helpful. WHO have done a lot of good things in the past but the way they have been played by the Chinese in all this is without doubt.

You cannot social distance infinitely.

As for it not being an EU competency, this is exactly why many people have a problem with the EU. Whenever there is a crisis, they sh*t their pants and are unable to act in time to prevent it escalating hugely. Next to no leadership on this.

I agree

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 02:59PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/belgian-study-on-safe-distancing-while-exercising-goes-viral/

Ohh. That one. Ok.

wakka12 · 15-04-2020 03:00PM

Singapore reports new daily record of 477 cases

Singapore has gone from 1600 cases to 3700 in just seven days

quokula · 15-04-2020 03:00PM

Strazdas wrote: »

A PR stunt basically. There were already 1200 cases when he announced the travel ban and case numbers rapidly accelerated for the next 3-4 weeks.

Yeah these actions have repeatedly shown to be useless and are nothing more than grandiose political gestures designed to appeal to idiots who can't grasp details. Italy was the first to close Chinese flights in Europe and went on to be the worst affected for a long time. The US was quick to close down flights and is now the worst affected in the world.

The real, evidence based solutions recommended by experts and backed by data are far more important than jumping to simplistic solutions that achieve nothing.

Curious_Case · 15-04-2020 03:03PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

If we ban jogging now, we might as well ban it forever.

Yes, because the ability to jog will fade from our collective consciousness if we don't have at least some people keeping themselves familiar with both the sequence of movements and the enhanced balancing skills that are a prerequisite for correct jogging.

quokula · 15-04-2020 03:03PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Give me nationalism over globalism any day. Look after you and yours primarily.

At least you're willing to admit you're entirely ideologically driven and don't give a **** about evidence, reality or getting results.

bilston · 15-04-2020 03:04PM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1250436948545527814?s=20

Inevitable

Gynoid · 15-04-2020 03:04PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

If we ban jogging now, we might as well ban it forever.

Well that is not extreme at all.
Look, some things are reasonably obvious without the need for oodles of science as a back up.
Things like the instinct to cover ones nose and mouth in a pandemic of respiratory disease.
And things like breathing heavier while running, which is normal, creates a bigger slipstream in ones wake which would increase infectivity if one was asymptomatically carrying a viral load. It is elementary.

growleaves · 15-04-2020 03:05PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

If people want to get defensive about feeling inadequate about not doing enough physical excercise, I can understand.

Running is better for you than walking, helps your immune system fight infection. If you're not running, I'd suggest for people to take it up. Might lessen the burden on the healthcare system if people are generally more healthy.

Being overweight and obese are major risk factors for this pandemic in otherwise healthy people. That is now very clear.

The fact that people would think even about banning outdoor exercise during a pandemic which is a killer for the overweight shows the extreme fixation on the single factor of risk of outdoor transmission.

Mandatory exercise and fasting for people over a certain weight by order of the government would just as reasonable a response as the restrictions (and no more or less authoritarian imo).

DevilsHaircut · 15-04-2020 03:05PM

https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1250438838918344705

wakka12 · 15-04-2020 03:05PM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/coronavirus-ecuador-guayaquil-bodies-streets-police-barcelona-a9462246.html?utm_source=reddit.com
Almost 800 bodies collected from homes in the capital of Ecuador, 630 others were collected from hospitals, Ecuador's official death toll is just 370

quokula · 15-04-2020 03:05PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

As for it not being an EU competency, this is exactly why many people have a problem with the EU. Whenever there is a crisis, they sh*t their pants and are unable to act in time to prevent it escalating hugely. Next to no leadership on this.

The EU-skeptic fallacy. Insists that the EU dictates everything to us. Complains that the EU doesn't dictate everything to us.

igCorcaigh · 15-04-2020 03:07PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/coronavirus-ecuador-guayaquil-bodies-streets-police-barcelona-a9462246.html?utm_source=reddit.com
Almost 800 bodies collected from homes in the capital of Ecuador, 630 others were collected from hospitals, Ecuador's official death toll is just 370

BBC has video of that. Bodies left on the streets and in people's homes for days. Very grim

Mwengwe · 15-04-2020 03:07PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Singapore reports new daily record of 477 cases

Singapore has gone from 1600 cases to 3700 in just seven days

Not good

15-04-2020 03:07PM

quokula wrote: »

Yeah these actions have repeatedly shown to be useless and are nothing more than grandiose political gestures designed to appeal to idiots who can't grasp details. Italy was the first to close Chinese flights in Europe and went on to be the worst affected for a long time. The US was quick to close down flights and is now the worst affected in the world.

The real, evidence based solutions recommended by experts and backed by data are far more important than jumping to simplistic solutions that achieve nothing.

Travel bans haven't been shown repeatedly to be useless, quite the opposite.

You're confusing the fact that having <X> additional infected people entering a country when the country is already above a certain number and not able to contain it makes the travel ban largely irrelevant.

Countries that successfully contained covid-19 early on and brought in travel restrictions have done the best by far.

Experts have routinely made bad decisions because, perhaps unsurprisingly, western 'experts' have almost no expertise when it comes to flu epidemics/pandemics. Countries like China, South Korea, Taiwan etc do - and experts there all recommended travel/movement bans and quarantining travelers as soon as possible.

BanditLuke · 15-04-2020 03:07PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Just putting it out - is it time to ban running in public?

On footpaths absolutely.

growleaves · 15-04-2020 03:07PM

NYU scientists: Largest US study of COVID-19 finds obesity the single biggest 'chronic' factor in New York City's hospitalizations

For months, scientists have been poring over data about cases and deaths to understand why it is that COVID-19 manifests itself in different ways around the world, with certain factors such as the age of the population repeatedly popping up as among the most significant determinants.

Now, one of the largest studies conducted of COVID-19 infection in the United States has found that obesity of patients was the single biggest factor in whether those with COVID-19 had to be admitted to a hospital.

"The chronic condition with the strongest association with critical illness was obesity, with a substantially higher odds ratio than any cardiovascular or pulmonary disease," write lead author Christopher M. Petrilli of the NYU Grossman School and colleagues in a paper, "Factors associated with hospitalization and critical illness among 4,103 patients with Covid-19 disease in New York City."

tom1ie · 15-04-2020 03:08PM

growleaves wrote: »

Being overweight and obese are major risk factors for this pandemic in otherwise healthy people. That is now very clear.

The fact that people would think even about banning outdoor exercise during a pandemic which is a killer for the overweight shows the extreme fixation on the single factor of risk of outdoor transmission.

Mandatory exercise and fasting for people over a certain weight by order of the government would just as reasonable a response as the restrictions (and no more or less authoritarian imo).

indoor exercise?

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 03:08PM

growleaves wrote: »

Being overweight and obese are major risk factors for this pandemic in otherwise healthy people. That is now very clear.

The fact that people would think even about banning outdoor exercise during a pandemic which is a killer for the overweight shows the extreme fixation on the single factor of risk of outdoor transmission.

Mandatory exercise and fasting for people over a certain weight by order of the government would just as reasonable a response as the restrictions (and no more or less authoritarian imo).

/STRAWMAN/ Look, I was on my way to Lidl to buy 10 bottles of cider to drink this evening, I was only going to start drinking after the chip butty dinner, and there I was smoking my way down to the shops when a jogger ran past me! Has he no concern for my health! /STRAWMAN/

igCorcaigh · 15-04-2020 03:09PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1250438838918344705

First detailed map I've seen.

Minnie Snuggles · 15-04-2020 03:10PM

The first person arrested for breaking emergency Covid-19 restrictions has appeared in court

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0415/1130713-covid-charged-break-restrictions/

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 03:11PM

tom1ie wrote: »

indoor exercise?

Right after we ban selling of cigarettes, alcohol and fatty foods. Utterly disgraceful disregard for the public health system of anyone engaging in those.

BanditLuke · 15-04-2020 03:12PM

Minnie Snuggles wrote: »

The first person arrested for breaking emergency Covid-19 restrictions has appeared in court

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0415/1130713-covid-charged-break-restrictions/

Example needs to be made of him next week. Prison time or massive fine.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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