Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

smelly sock · 15-04-2020 02:18PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The Taiwanese response is one of the most impressive if not the most impressive in the world.

Travel bans were a key element though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Taiwan

They also sent a fact finding mission to China early in the outbreak.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-taiwan-case-study-rapid-response-containment-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

81 miles from the Chinese mainland, 395 cases and 6 deaths in total.

Taiwan. LOL.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 02:18PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Fine Gael / Fail being snakey and sly using the Covid crisis to go into partnership together.

No doubt Martin will see that Covid was unforeseen and that's why he has gone into Govt with FG.

They are the only block of numbers who can give it a go and this possibility emerged in pre-virus times.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2020 02:18PM

Isn't there a politics forum for Trump talk? Or any other leader for that matter except maybe Leo what with this being Ireland.

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 02:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

well it is being touted by a certain orange cretin as evidence how he handled the crisis so well. As part of a coordinated international effort it may have been a good move, but unilaterally all he did was play to his nationalistic instincts. It probably did not make things worse in itself, however a useful strategy may have been to continue to allow flights with health checks and follow ups. Instead people probably just went by another route.

How is it unilateral? Most countries put in place restrictions. Even China now bans all but its own citizens from travelling there. Many countries have similar policies.

As for coordinated response, see the lack of one in the EU. They couldn't agree to ground flights, to they let them continue. That was a catastrophic mistake.

expectationlost · 15-04-2020 02:20PM

expectationlost wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1250365064726659073
anyone have an image of the text sent by the HSE ?

it might help fraudsters so maybe don't post it, but it would be useful to compare.

what if the IT system left the reference number bit blank... https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/testing.html

others getting text with no ref number https://twitter.com/fresheire/status/1250417078625955840 interesting that they all near the same date, they hadn't worked errors out of the system yet very unfortunately.

eagle eye · 15-04-2020 02:24PM

Deleted User wrote:

well it is being touted by a certain orange cretin as evidence how he handled the crisis so well. As part of a coordinated international effort it may have been a good move, but unilaterally all he did was play to his nationalistic instincts. It probably did not make things worse in itself, however a useful strategy may have been to continue to allow flights with health checks and follow ups. Instead people probably just went by another route.

Even the most horrible, stupid people do the right thing sometimes.
If you are trying to criticise him over something which any person with a bit of a brain knows was a right decisuon then you are beyond saving.
My advice, walk away from American politics. Read about woeful world leaders not named Trump like Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Pinochet and Idi Amin. Then come back with a bit of reality. He us an awful, horrible man and a terrible President but that doesn't mean you have to hate everything he does.

Funsterdelux · 15-04-2020 02:24PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Just putting it out - is it time to ban running in public?

Put it back in

cameramonkey · 15-04-2020 02:25PM

Xertz wrote: »

This is probably the most rapid rollout and up scaling of this kind of testing that has ever been done in any country ever in history. Doctors, scientists, technicians and engineers across most countries are pulling out all the stops and have achieved a hell of a lot in a very short time.

I think we need to get our heads around why there are capacity issues and how overcoming them by snapping fingers isn’t really possible. There are serious technical limits in terms of access to capacity - equipment (lead time in deliveries, lack of availability globally), pressure on getting access to chemicals and other items due to unprecedented global demand.

Also no country has vast amounts of this kind of stuff sitting around doing nothing for years.

There are going to be delays and rolling out population wide testing is taking time and also needing development of rapid test kits. What’s been produced to date has not proven to be very reliable - see what happened in Spain with the volume of Chinese made test kits that were purchased and turned out to be very inaccurate and that’s happened elsewhere too.

All any of us can be is realistic about what’s possible.

There seems to be a number of new posters who just parrot the government and FG line. They then just give likes to each other. They will not tolerate any criticisms of the HSE response and at least one seems to work for the HSE.

Who do you work for?

Rob A. Bank · 15-04-2020 02:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

All that you quoted was his response to the ban on non-essential flights from China so its exactly what he was talking about.
And just so you know, that's how it was reported everywhere including CNN at the time. Most agreed with him too.

His so called 'ban' allowed over 40,000 travelers from China into the US in the 2 months after he decreed it.

And it was his RECORD that Biden commented about... difficulty reading with those eagle eyes ? :rolleyes:

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 02:25PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

How is it unilateral? Most countries put in place restrictions. Even China now bans all but its own citizens from travelling there. Many countries have similar policies.

As for coordinated response, see the lack of one in the EU. They couldn't agree to ground flights, to they let them continue. That was a catastrophic mistake.

This is still coming up 15 threads later. It is not an EU competency. They can only do as they have done and block travel into the EU. WHO don't agree with your categorisation of a mistake. It is more likely to be the other measures at work, social distancing etc. their research suggests.

Mwengwe · 15-04-2020 02:26PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Just putting it out - is it time to ban running in public?

Should be banned on footpaths imo. Anywhere where people can't reasonably avoid your droplet cloud

smelly sock · 15-04-2020 02:26PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They are the only block of numbers who can give it a go and this possibility emerged in pre-virus times.

No.

Sinn Fein would have had enough numbers with either FF or FG to from a coalition.

15-04-2020 02:26PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Fine Gael / Fail being snakey and sly using the Covid crisis to go into partnership together.

No doubt Martin will see that Covid was unforeseen and that's why he has gone into Govt with FG.

Sneaky bastard, creating coronavirus in a teapot in mount street to fulfil his life long ambition of going into coalition with FG. Who knew!

A government needs to be formed, especially now. I don't see anyone else stepping up to the mark. And when all is said and done, vast majority of the irish electorate voted for Centrist parties or independents

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 02:28PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Is there a point to this? I could only listen to four minutes of the rambling.

I've been googling "retrick", but nothing.

Iamabeliever · 15-04-2020 02:28PM

Beasty wrote: »

Why?

Speaking from experience - i always seem to run past someone , the second they decide to cough!

Seems silly but running on public footpaths causes unwanted contact for both runners and walkers. Everyone needs patience at this time but is there an alternative?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2020 02:28PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

Should be banned on footpaths imo. Anywhere where people can't reasonably avoid your droplet cloud

Oh my god, your username. I get the reference. :cool:

wakka12 · 15-04-2020 02:29PM

A twenty year old with known underlying conditions in England has died

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-another-651-covid-19-deaths-in-hospitals-in-england-11973506

NHS England said another 651 coronavirus patients had died in hospitals in England, taking its total to 11,656.

Patients were aged between 20 and 101, and 20 of those (aged 20 to 101) had no known underlying health conditions when they tested positive for coronavirus.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 02:30PM

smelly sock wrote: »

No.

Sinn Fein would have had enough numbers with either FF or FG to from a coalition.

As I said they were the only ones had numbers and able to deal. Just having seats doesn't qualify you, if it did it would be an ABFFFG government of nearly 90.

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 02:30PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

Should be banned on footpaths imo. Anywhere where people can't reasonably avoid your droplet cloud

Everything should be banned, imo. Too much risk with anything. Anything to be said for banning everything risky?

rameire · 15-04-2020 02:31PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Just putting it out - is it time to ban running in public?

Would I be allowed to fastwalk?

15-04-2020 02:31PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

How is it unilateral? Most countries put in place restrictions. Even China now bans all but its own citizens from travelling there. Many countries have similar policies.

As for coordinated response, see the lack of one in the EU. They couldn't agree to ground flights, to they let them continue. That was a catastrophic mistake.

Trump banned flights from China to suit his own trade war with China. Covid 19 was just the excuse. Up until mid march he repeatedly stated that it was no threat whatsoever.

And one of the reasons for the lack f a global response is Trumps unilateral stance on everything/ Unilateral by the way doesn't mean no one else acted, it means action was taken irregardless of what anyone else was doing.

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 02:32PM

Taiwan certainly didn't think the WHO were doing a good job.

In response to WHO’s denial that Taiwan ever alerted it to the possibility of human-to-human transmission of COVID-19, the Central Epidemic Command Center makes the following statement today, April 11:
The Taiwan Centers for Disease Control (Taiwan CDC) learned from online sources that there had been at least seven cases of atypical pneumonia in Wuhan, China. In China, the term “atypical pneumonia” is commonly used to refer to SARS, a disease transmitted between humans caused by coronavirus.

Owing to its experience with the SARS epidemic in 2003, Taiwan vigilantly kept track of information about the new outbreak. On December 31, 2019, Taiwan sent an email to the International Health Regulations (IHR) focal point under the World Health Organization (WHO), informing WHO of its understanding of the disease and also requesting further information from WHO. Given the lack of clarity at the time, as well as the many rumors that were circulating, Taiwan’s aim was to ensure that all relevant parties remained alert, especially since the outbreak occurred just before the Lunar New Year holiday, which typically sees tremendous amounts of travel. To be prudent, in the email we took pains to refer to atypical pneumonia, and specifically noted that patients had been isolated for treatment. Public health professionals could discern from this wording that there was a real possibility of human-to-human transmission of the disease. However, because at the time there were as yet no cases of the disease in Taiwan, we could not state directly and conclusively that there had been human-to-human transmission.

The Taiwan CDC also contacted the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention in a bid to obtain more information. However, in response to our inquiries, the WHO IHR focal point only responded with a short message stating that Taiwan’s information had been forwarded to expert colleagues; China provided only a press release.

Even though Taiwan strongly suspected that human-to-human transmission of the disease was already occurring at the time, we were unable to gain confirmation through existing channels. Therefore, on the day the aforementioned email was sent to WHO, the Taiwan government activated enhanced border control and quarantine measures based on the assumption that human-to-human transmission was in fact occurring. These measures included screening passengers on flights from Wuhan prior to disembarkation.

In mid-January, the Taiwan CDC dispatched experts to Wuhan to gain a better understanding of the epidemic, the control measures taken there, and patients’ exposure history. Based on preliminary research, Taiwan determined that this form of pneumonia could indeed spread via human-to-human transmission.

https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/PAD-lbwDHeN_bLa-viBOuw?typeid=158

And here is the WHO advising against travel bans.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-who/who-chief-says-widespread-travel-bans-not-needed-to-beat-china-virus-idUSKBN1ZX1H3

It couldn't be clearer that the WHO attempted to cover up the seriousness of covid 19 in the early weeks.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 02:33PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

Should be banned on footpaths imo. Anywhere where people can't reasonably avoid your droplet cloud

So that should put you on the road too. How could this be enforced save by brave citizens going postal off their own bat?

cameramonkey · 15-04-2020 02:33PM

wakka12 wrote: »

A twenty year old with known underlying conditions in England has died

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-another-651-covid-19-deaths-in-hospitals-in-england-11973506

They often say no known condition and then find out later there was a condition. Also many of the photos of people who are young who die show that they are in many cases obese.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2020 02:33PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

How is it unilateral? Most countries put in place restrictions. Even China now bans all but its own citizens from travelling there. Many countries have similar policies.

As for coordinated response, see the lack of one in the EU. They couldn't agree to ground flights, to they let them continue. That was a catastrophic mistake.

You have 128 posts with the word 'flights' contained within. Do you maybe think people might have got your point by now?

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 02:33PM

rameire wrote: »

Would I be allowed to fastwalk?

Depends on your max KM/H. Speed limits for footpaths.

Iamabeliever · 15-04-2020 02:35PM

rameire wrote: »

Would I be allowed to fastwalk?

Up for review

Iamabeliever · 15-04-2020 02:36PM

rameire wrote: »

Would I be allowed to fastwalk?

Up for review

rameire · 15-04-2020 02:36PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Depends on your max KM/H. Speed limits for footpaths.

15km/h

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1ZbPI47aD0

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 02:36PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

You have 128 posts with the word 'flights' contained within. Do you maybe think people might have got your point by now?

128 out of close to 1000 posts.

Did you go through all 1000 posts to make this point? Sad if so.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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