Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Professor Moriarty · 15-04-2020 10:39AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Articles from the guardian are not worth copying.

Where do you get your news instead?

FixdePitchmark · 15-04-2020 10:39AM

Looking at the figures of new cases from likes of Austria (+54/day) and Switzerland (+87) these are growth of below 0.5 % .

I think Irish people need to know we have a long way to go to get to them figures - we are 10 times worse than that at present.

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 10:40AM

KiKi III wrote: »

"Any article that proves me wrong isn't worth reading. The facts are correct, but let's ignore that."

I haven't been proved wrong on anything. The Us hands out 10s of billions a year. Probably 100s of billions and the world has gotten used to that and relies on it. Yet there is non stop criticism. The world can have the Us as leader including its flaws or it can turn to China .

Which do you think is a better option?

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 10:40AM

khalessi wrote: »

Well then just put it up and give a reason you dont need to highlight someone:rolleyes:

As I said really not all about you. Not all posters call people out by way of debate and it was a fairly logical place to put it as a source for the unaware. Lesson learnt, I suppose.

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 10:41AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Where do you get your news instead?

Reuters and associated press.

Everything else is biased one way or another garbage.
Media bias websites are plentiful. Someone was posting links from Nowthis yesterday.
Nowthis are deemed to be "extreme left wing bias" by all bias checkers. The left sided equivalent of breitbart.

lawred2 · 15-04-2020 10:42AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Articles from the guardian are not worth copying.

Well either it's factual or it's not. Must be easily disprovable if the content is not worth copying.

Just dismissing it is akin to trolling really.

Iamabeliever · 15-04-2020 10:42AM

khalessi wrote: »

Yesss??? Not sure why you highlighted me for this as it does say that Swedes for the most part live alone and employ social distancing more naturally then us bu a small cohort might have parties.
So eh yeah thanks

Just for arguements sake I'm gonna call bulls...
Looking at Finland Norway Iceland Denmark (Nordic) areas have all really low numbers in comparison to Sweden at the minute. Expect to see an explosion

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 10:42AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Looking at the figures of new cases from likes of Austria (+54/day) and Switzerland (+87) these are growth of below 0.5 % .

I think Irish people need to know we have a long way to go to get to them figures - we are 10 times worse than that at present.

Yeah, but we are half what we were a week or so ago. No reason not to assume we will be closer to that in 2 weeks, especially if the transmission rate is now at about one.

smelly sock · 15-04-2020 10:42AM

KiKi III wrote: »

The Chinese don't claim to be the leader of the free world. Appointing your own country with a title like that carries with it a level of obligation.

Trump inherited that title to be fair to him. We had "greats" like Clinton and Obama using that term.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-04-2020 10:44AM

Trump cuts aid to the World Health Organisation in the middle of a pandemic.

Even if you ignore the rights and wrongs on optics alone it's a typical ridiculous move by Trump from which predictably the Chinese and Russians have seized the moral high ground.

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 10:45AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The World Health Organization gets 3,000 signals of possible health emergencies per month.(100 per day) After screening they follow up 300 events per month and investigate 30 events per month with boots on the ground. They conduct formal risk assessments on a subset of those health emergencies. Completed assessments are shared with all member states and key operational partners. Assistance is then offered to affected states and rapidly deployed.

All this defense of humankind on a minuscule budget, compared to the 1.8 trillion spent on arms yearly.

The USA was already $200 million in arrears for its agreed contributions to the W.H.O. even before Trump threatened to withdraw funding.

The USA has saved the yearly amount it contributes every 26 days, simply because the W.H.O. has successfully eliminating smallpox from the globe, thus saving the costs of vaccinating children against that lethal disease.

The USA withdrawal of funding to the W.H.O., just as the poorest countries in the world are beginning their epidemics in Africa and South America, is close to being ‘a crime against humanity’.

It is difficult to argue against the proposition that the USA under Trump has become a ‘rogue state’.

Blame it all on the US, nothing at all about China.

Rogue state, FFS.

Our own country is massively dependent on US investment for a start.

Longing · 15-04-2020 10:46AM

I thought I was bad on my 19th day waiting for results. Still have cough. But getting there.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1250365055931166720

hotmail.com · 15-04-2020 10:46AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Trump cuts aid to the World Health Organisation in the middle of a pandemic.

Even if you ignore the rights and wrongs on optics alone it's a typical ridiculous move by Trump from which predictably the Chinese and Russians have seized the moral high ground.

Nice distraction for the domestic failings of lots of countries today.

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 10:47AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Well either it's factual or it's not. Must be easily disprovable if the content is not worth copying.

Just dismissing it is akin to trolling really.

Because I don't agree with your opinion or the legitimacy of your sources it's trolling?

The go to word when someone refuses to agree with your narrative. You can have your opinion don't try deny me of mine.

Rob A. Bank · 15-04-2020 10:47AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Articles from the guardian are not worth copying.

Mmmmm you are shooting messengers again, just because you cannot face up to the truth.

I actually got the facts in my post from several sources, including a lecture from our own Dr. Mike Ryan.

Addressing Health Emergencies Around the Globe

hotmail.com · 15-04-2020 10:47AM

Longing wrote: »

I thought I was bad on my 19th day waiting for results. Still have cough. But getting there.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1250365055931166720

What's the point of being tested at this rate?

Iamabeliever · 15-04-2020 10:48AM

growleaves wrote: »

Proof? This is a new assumption glommed from a handy stereotype, with no way for anyone to verify it, but which saves face for many if the lockdown turns out to have been unnecessary.

The walk-back has already begun.

Spot on

DevilsHaircut · 15-04-2020 10:48AM

"We are very much looking forward to the first use of [convalescent plasma] in patients at [University Hospital Wales], as this offers a genuine therapeutic option for this potentially fatal condition."

"In the absence of any current vaccine or antiviral therapy, it has significant potential to aid the recovery of patients."

https://twitter.com/WalesOnline/status/1250006374874046465

Christy42 · 15-04-2020 10:49AM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Just for arguements sake I'm gonna call bulls...
Looking at Finland Norway Iceland Denmark (Nordic) areas have all really low numbers in comparison to Sweden at the minute. Expect to see an explosion

All those countries have natural social distancing through culture. It is why they are the best comparison for each other (though not perfect). Sweden may or may not have an explosion but you can see they could have been so much better had they put in measures. No measures doesn't mean you will the worst as you may have natural advantages to a situation. No measures just means you will be far worse than you should have been which Sweden obviously is after their failed policies.

Having said that unless their testing is a lot better than worldometer claims (I don't know how often they publish) 5they are in a bad state as those numbers are massive for such a limited amount of testing.

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 10:49AM

Even CNN who hate Trump were giving out about the WHO last night, saying they were slow to call it a pandemic.

The initial WHO response to this was woeful, no-one disputes that. They advised people to fly away, both in and out of China. This was the starting point for the worldwide spread.

If this was isolated to China early, we'd actually have a functioning world economy at the moment, instead of wrecked economies and another Great Depression on the way.

quokula · 15-04-2020 10:49AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Nice distraction for the domestic failings of lots of countries today.

Well the whole point of it was Trump trying to distract from his own domestic failings.

Mic 1972 · 15-04-2020 10:50AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Looking at the figures of new cases from likes of Austria (+54/day) and Switzerland (+87) these are growth of below 0.5 % .

I think Irish people need to know we have a long way to go to get to them figures - we are 10 times worse than that at present.

Ireland has a population of roughly 5 million people. With 800 new cases per day we are the equivalent of a country like Spain if they had 8,000 cases per day
A lot of highly infected countries like italy or Spain managed to stay within the 6,000 new cases even during peak. We are not doing very well

KiKi III · 15-04-2020 10:50AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I haven't been proved wrong on anything. The Us hands out 10s of billions a year. Probably 100s of billions and the world has gotten used to that and relies on it. Yet there is non stop criticism. The world can have the Us as leader including its flaws or it can turn to China .

Which do you think is a better option?

Can I choose neither?

That's definitely my first choice. I want neither.

walshb · 15-04-2020 10:51AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Trump cuts aid to the World Health Organisation in the middle of a pandemic.

Even if you ignore the rights and wrongs on optics alone it's a typical ridiculous move by Trump from which predictably the Chinese and Russians have seized the moral high ground.

From the moment that man got on the wagon of politics he's been polarizing and divisive and just utterly contemptible......one of the oddest human beings in history..

He is incapable of any type of simple debate and dialogue. I keep thinking it's a dream when I hear some of the stuff he comes out with.

Not a single redeemable feature that one can admire or warm to.

Zero empathy at all. He doesn't give a flying fook about human lives....

And proved it long before this....

I think his worst was how he was threatening to obliterate and wreak havoc on nations who were hostile to the U.S. The aggression in his tone, and the words he used when talking about the destruction of human life....

In the middle of a global pandemic when people should be helping and joining and reaching out, and this horror is picking fights, and now goes and cuts funds to WHO

I blame his people as much as him. He surrounds himself with people who are complicit, and their being complicit allows this man to behave so immoral.

Gynoid · 15-04-2020 10:51AM

smelly sock wrote: »

How did the dictionary taste for breakfast?

Nothing wrong with a little light hearted craic from time to time in such a serious thread.

But just think, you could be in a place with no lockdown and riding all the lonely women....perfection.

hotmail.com · 15-04-2020 10:52AM

quokula wrote: »

Well the whole point of it was Trump trying to distract from his own domestic failings.

It's all over RTE. And people are waiting weeks to get tested here.

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 10:52AM

dublin99 wrote: »

There have been complaints that the owner of a large Dublin nursing home failed, for up to a week, to disclose to his staff (many would be agency workers) or family of other residents when the first case(s) was/were suspected/confirmed.

I am unsure if he thought he could keep it under wraps but this obviously meant staff were working normally initially without ppe and spreading the virus both within the nursing home and back at their accommodation (shared rentals and asylum centres) as well as in other nursing homes where the agency staff also work.

Within a number of days, there were clusters in at least three floors of this large purpose built nursing home.

What this guy did was unethical (whilst perhaps not unlawful) and disgraceful, to say the least.

There are a lot of good people running nursing homes. But as we've seen in recent times, there are also a lot of cowboys running nursing homes.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 10:53AM

growleaves wrote: »

Proof? This is a new assumption glommed from a handy stereotype, with no way for anyone to verify it, but which saves face for many if the lockdown turns out to have been unnecessary.

The walk-back has already begun.

I get the impression that no matter how we'd gone about this you'd find fault with it. Our response and that of the majority of countries is based on the WHO guidelines and they are fans of "doing it fast and not waiting to be right" and that it's better to seem excessive than to have failed in public health.

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 10:54AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

It's all over RTE. And people are waiting weeks to get tested here.

Yeh...but...look over there...Trump.

davemckenna25 · 15-04-2020 10:55AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

What's the point of being tested at this rate?

He was tested, still waiting on the result.

Unfortunately he must be one of the last batch going to Germany.
If hes not in ICU or quite unwell at this time and showing no symptoms for the last few days he should assume hes negative.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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