Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

political analyst · 13-04-2020 04:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Probably because the court that would take the case doesn't consider it essential work.

But court cases are essential work, aren't they? After all, the US Supreme Court ruled the suspension of habeus corpus unconstitutional - even during a civil war!

bekker · 13-04-2020 04:25PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Companies will be very willing to flog these kits.
But we need to be convinced of their accuracy.
Hasn't happened yet.

2019-nCoV IgG/IgM Rapid Test, This is the Cellex Inc. test authorised by FDA 1st April under emergency legislation status.

Correction NOT Cellex Inc. test, but from a Chinese company.
cf https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/sarscov2-eval-immuno/

Thanks to DevilsHaircut

tobefrank321 · 13-04-2020 04:25PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 13 April 2020 @ 08:00 hrs CET

Looking like the peak in daily cases in Europe was at the start of this month.

Less daily cases being reported from the UK today.

Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Looking at that graph, numbers are down every Monday and most Sundays which indicates a problem gathering figures at weekends. Maybe the processing labs don't work at full capacity at weekends.

polesheep · 13-04-2020 04:27PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

But the calling out of the bad apples never happens, unless they literally kill someone.

The nurses that left smellys father sitting in a dirty bed for the three hours I bet weren't diciplined, even though such care falls will below the minimum standard. The nurse that told me to wait while she finished her bull**** personal conversation while I was trying to get help for the woman next to my wife's trolley who was going to wet herself wouldn't have acted like that if they're was going to be consequences for her. There are some severe problems with attitude on the frontline from some staff.

Yes, lots of great work happens in our hospitals, and I am thankful that we have them. And of course we should be providing them with the best equipment to keep them safe as they go about their very necessary and important work.

What I have a problem with, is the canonisation of the frontline healthcare workers - it means you can't call out bad practice, for fear of being labeled ungrateful.

Being a medical professional, nonoperational did what all medical professionals do, listened with patience and tried to give reassurance in their reply. Not being a medical professional I will be straight... the part in bold never happened.

Humilde · 13-04-2020 04:28PM

I wonder how many people will die because of this testing screwup. Yet another example of our fantastic world beating health service.

Stheno · 13-04-2020 04:28PM

bekker wrote: »

2019-nCoV IgG/IgM Rapid Test, This is the Cellex Inc. test authorised by FDA 1st April under emergency legislation status.

Any data on how accurate it is do you know?

13-04-2020 04:31PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

If you re-open the economy the R0 goes up hugely, possibly as high as 5 or 6.

If you are starting from a low base this is not too big of a problem although you would see total cases double every 3 days or so.

We are not starting from a low base though. And many cases are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic.

Very few if any people advocate just removing all restrictions. The prudent approach is to assess how things are going for the remainder of the month and then starting with lower risk activities remove some restrictions and monitor. Continuous review will identify if further restrictions can be lifted or if we maintain or revert. Life must go on though, and we need to plan to open and to make peace with the fact that deaths will continue, at what we hope will be a lower level

bekker · 13-04-2020 04:32PM

political analyst wrote: »

But court cases are essential work, aren't they? After all, the US Supreme Court ruled the suspension of habeus corpus unconstitutional - even during a civil war!

Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany was imposed by Western Allies in 1949, although amended since, it is very firmly rooted in individual rights and freedoms arising as a deliberate counter to the Nazi era.

The extent of those individual rights and freedoms are not necessarily echoed in other jurisdictions.

13-04-2020 04:36PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

But the calling out of the bad apples never happens, unless they literally kill someone.

The nurses that left smellys father sitting in a dirty bed for the three hours I bet weren't diciplined, even though such care falls will below the minimum standard. The nurse that told me to wait while she finished her bull**** personal conversation while I was trying to get help for the woman next to my wife's trolley who was going to wet herself wouldn't have acted like that if they're was going to be consequences for her. There are some severe problems with attitude on the frontline from some staff.

Yes, lots of great work happens in our hospitals, and I am thankful that we have them. And of course we should be providing them with the best equipment to keep them safe as they go about their very necessary and important work.

What I have a problem with, is the canonisation of the frontline healthcare workers - it means you can't call out bad practice, for fear of being labeled ungrateful.

I concur with this. Of course so many of our nurses, doctors, etc are excellent, but I have had my experiences of several that weren’t. Most notable example was when I was wheeled back into my private room in a private hospital after having colon removed, first thing that happened was the stoma bag leaked. I was expecting gentle reassurance from the nurse left in charge of me, instead I got “why did you f**king key that happen?”. She did apologise after I called out out on her language & attitude. That was the worst of the incidents, but I encountered a few, especially where nurses were left alone. Another time way back in the 90s I came across nurses drinking on duty, whilst in charge of an ICU of a public hospital. When the usual excellent person in charge wasn’t on duty this happened at least once, and I discovered them drinking when one of the patients needed resuscitation and I had to go into their private room attached to the ICU. I had been a regular visitor to somebody on a ventilator for 10 weeks.

bekker · 13-04-2020 04:36PM

Stheno wrote: »

Any data on how accurate it is do you know?

AFAIR 95%, 95% to 97.5%, 97.5%, may be OK for mass screening for statistical evaluations but not for individual go/no go which AFAIK needs to in the 99%/99% region.

all about the mane · 13-04-2020 04:37PM

Humilde wrote: »

I wonder how many people will die because of this testing screwup. Yet another example of our fantastic world beating health service.

If you weren't so busy setting up a new account you probably could have stopped it from happening...

spookwoman · 13-04-2020 04:38PM

Humilde wrote: »

I wonder how many people will die because of this testing screwup. Yet another example of our fantastic world beating health service.

Depending on how long it took to get results and if it only a few days you can guess that many of them probably went back out into the community and spread it.

DevilsHaircut · 13-04-2020 04:39PM

bekker wrote: »

2019-nCoV IgG/IgM Rapid Test, This is the Cellex Inc. test authorised by FDA 1st April under emergency legislation status.

It's a different (Chinese) company. There are lots of these being evaluated.

https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/sarscov2-eval-immuno/

easypazz · 13-04-2020 04:41PM

Humilde wrote: »

I wonder how many people will die because of this testing screwup. Yet another example of our fantastic world beating health service.

Probably none.

bekker · 13-04-2020 04:54PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

It's a different (Chinese) company. There are lots of these being evaluated.

https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/sarscov2-eval-immuno/

Thanks, have amended OP.

Tony EH · 13-04-2020 04:55PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I am sick to death of the scapegoating and unwarranted attacks on the World Health Organization by that dangerous putrid sack of lard in the White House. The attacks are getting more frequent, amplified by his braindead right wing followers who are looking to blame others, in order to deflect attention away from the disastrous US response to the pandemic.

The WHO operates on a tiny budget with an enormous task (less than $5 billion) , compared to the $1.8 trillion spent on arms yearly. Yet they are the world's main defense against pandemics.

The USA pays 15% of their budget of which Congress controls 12%... the fool in the White House controls a grand total of 3%. The Gates Foundation contribute more than Congress does. The figure is less than the cost of a large metropolitan hospital yearly.

Not only do they have to bear verbal attacks from the sickening sh*tforbrains Right Wing, but actual physical attacks on their health workers and the NGO's who co-operate with them...

That orangutan in the WH and the shitty iteration of the party he currently leads are more interested in trying to get some political capital out of this, than getting the job done in minimising this virus' effects in their own country.

Point scoring is the most important item to them and their pea brained boot licks. Shameful carry on altogether.

*EDIT - that's actually an insult to orangutans, who are generally peaceful and intelligent.

DevilsHaircut · 13-04-2020 04:58PM

'TCD is proposing to test many [antibody testing] kits “to come up with the one with the best results” and to make their own kit in a project subject to funding. [Dr Derek Doherty of TCD School of Medicine] estimates this will be starting within the month.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/antibody-testing-key-to-assessing-spread-of-covid-19-in-population-1.4227388

Widdensushi · 13-04-2020 05:00PM

Tony EH wrote: »

That orangutan in the WH and the shitty iteration of the party he currently leads are more interested in trying to get some political capital out of this, than getting the job done in minimising this virus' effects in their own country.

Point scoring is the most important item to them and their pea brained boot licks. Shameful carry on altogether.

surely they are going to get widespread criticism for their handling of this, obviously trump is just deflecting but they have not come out of this well

MD1990 · 13-04-2020 05:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I concur with this. Of course so many of our nurses, doctors, etc are excellent, but I have had my experiences of several that weren’t. Most notable example was when I was wheeled back into my private room in a private hospital after having colon removed, first thing that happened was the stoma bag leaked. I was expecting gentle reassurance from the nurse left in charge of me, instead I got “why did you f**king key that happen?”. She did apologise after I called out out on her language & attitude. That was the worst of the incidents, but I encountered a few, especially where nurses were left alone. Another time way back in the 90s I came across nurses drinking on duty, whilst in charge of an ICU of a public hospital. When the usual excellent person in charge wasn’t on duty this happened at least once, and I discovered them drinking when one of the patients needed resuscitation and I had to go into their private room attached to the ICU. I had been a regular visitor to somebody on a ventilator for 10 weeks.

you have exaggerated probably most of what you said there or made some of it up.

JP Liz V1 · 13-04-2020 05:03PM

11,000 supposedly the test back log here now only

hawkelady · 13-04-2020 05:05PM

We have now peaked with some posters saying that icu nurses drink alcohol whilst working ! Wow,,, I’m looking forward to the downward trend..

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 05:08PM

Italy 566 deaths in last 24 hrs
New cases 3,153

13-04-2020 05:14PM

This is concerning

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-deaths-5073495-Apr2020/

MrMusician18 · 13-04-2020 05:14PM

MD1990 wrote: »

you have exaggerated probably most of what you said there or made some of it up.

Bless your naivety...

Gael23 · 13-04-2020 05:17PM

Aegir wrote: »

This is concerning

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-deaths-5073495-Apr2020/

This is quite likely the case. People dying in nursing homes or those that died before their test result came back positive won’t be included

JP Liz V1 · 13-04-2020 05:18PM

Aegir wrote: »

This is concerning

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-deaths-5073495-Apr2020/

Some guy on VM1 news yesterday said some nursing home fatalities were dying while waiting on test results

13-04-2020 05:18PM

Gael23 wrote: »

This is quite likely the case. People dying in nursing homes or those that died before their test result came back positive won’t be included

Incorrect. Unlike many countries these are all included in our numbers.

JPCN1 · 13-04-2020 05:18PM

Humilde wrote: »

I wonder how many people will die because of this testing screwup. Yet another example of our fantastic world beating health service.

A single tier health system run by people who would have difficulty running a bath... Not really a great idea.

Ace2007 · 13-04-2020 05:20PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Some guy on VM1 news yesterday said some nursing home fatalities were dying while waiting on test results

If your loved one was in a nursing home and dying/died waiting on a result, would you want to know the result, or would you prefer not to know, and maybe have the chance to be with them, and hold their hand one last time?

13-04-2020 05:20PM

MD1990 wrote: »

you have exaggerated probably most of what you said there or made some of it up.

There is NO exaggeration there, I can give you precise details if you wish by PM. I do not go in for empty words, if you knew me you would realise that. In fact I am holding back on it, rather than anything. Medical staff are composed of the exact same material as every other sector of society, so it is inevitable they will occasionally display bad behaviour. For goodness sake, we’ve had Dr Shipman, though he was fortunately a rarity. People, when stressed, default to their natural off-duty behaviour. That particular nurse in the private hospital said she did not know what had come over her at that minute, and we got on well for the remainder of my stay in the hospital.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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