Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Professor Moriarty · 13-04-2020 02:31PM

poppers wrote: »

Doubt it otherwise every playground adventure park would get you to sign such a disclaimer before you enter.

Yeah but these are extraordinary times. It's the bite point between possible severe side effects and reducing deaths. No doubt, as we speak, some drug companies are wandering around poor parts of poor countries offering a pittance for trials.

RobertKK · 13-04-2020 02:35PM

I know some believe it is negative to criticise how Ireland allowed the virus to get so widespread. Some people maybe feel safe in the delusion that Simon Harris and co have 'played a blinder', maybe the untruth gives comfort.
We only played a blinder when compared to the very worst countries, excluding micro nations we are among the worst affected countries population wise in the world.
Compared to some countries who have similar population or a bit bigger, we have hundreds more deaths.
I take it when people compare us to the UK, they simply want to compare to the worst to make Ireland look better. We should not be comparing ourselves to the worse because that should not be our target. We need to compare to the best and then the truth is, we have been letdown badly by the people in charge and it has cost many many lives. We are all putting on the green jersey when we look for the truth and want better for our country.
Saying how great we are doing when the metric used is against the worst performing countries is a recipe for low standards - this does not help us to be better, we need to compare against the best and acknowledge we have not done anything close to what is deemed good.
We are all trying now to get control of the situation, but in the early days, the inaction, no screening, no quarantining, official advise being it was not the department of health's advice to not visit nursing homes and so on, all this has cost lives.

We can be proud that as a people we are working now to save lives, but it doesn't mean we should be applauding ourselves on doing a good job, when the reality is, we were too slow at the start as the people in power were too busy with a general election and the fallout from it.
This has been a massive failure and the inaction and excuses for it have cost lives, and caused many more people to be ill than should have been.
Being afraid to act and not acting earlier is where we have failed as a country.

To me it is positive to state this as we should all want better and not be sticking our heads in the sand because it is easier to think 'we have done great'.

13-04-2020 02:36PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Have you evey changed a babies nappy or soiled bed? What equipment or PPE did you use?

Get a grip will ya. Hospital Ward's and bathrooms have toilet paper and mop up paper. Get off your arse and do something.

You really have no idea how a professional medical ward is run. Stop trying to pretend you do because you're making an absolute fool of yourself.

spookwoman · 13-04-2020 02:40PM

Not a fan of Harris but he is far better public speaker than leo

podgeandrodge · 13-04-2020 02:43PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Not a fan of Harris but he is far better public speaker than leo

It's easy to get more irritated than normal at the moment. I'm getting irritiated by Leo's speeches, where he seems to break up every sentence into 2 or 3 pieces...did he always do that?

"We really need to come together on this.......So that we can get this country back on it's feet again.......and we all have our part to play here...etc. etc." My words not Leo's!

RobertKK · 13-04-2020 02:45PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

It's easy to get more irritated than normal at the moment. I'm getting irritiated by Leo's speeches, where he seems to break up every sentence into 2 or 3 pieces...did he always do that?

"We really need to come together on this.......So that we can get this country back on it's feet again.......and we all have our part to play here...etc. etc." My words not Leo's!

Maybe the teleprompter is slow :pac:

igCorcaigh · 13-04-2020 02:49PM

The Guardian is saying that some of today's reported 667 deaths in England occurred weeks ago, but only being reported now.

It's frustrating how all of this data is being collated and reported on in different ways.
Makes comparative analysis really difficult.

eagle eye · 13-04-2020 03:00PM

Who cares about who is testing what way today? Hopefully our deaths start to drop but today is a day to be positive. We might soon have a medicine to prevent deaths and it looks like we have a real chance of a having a vaccine in the future now.

political analyst · 13-04-2020 03:02PM

There was a successful legal challenge to restrictions in Germany.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-court-reverses-baltic-sea-beach-ban/a-53088569

Residents of Germany's northeastern state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania will be allowed to go on day trips to the coast and the Baltic Sea islands, after a court overturned the state-imposed ban late on Thursday.

Tourists from other federal states within Germany, however, are still prohibited from visiting the beaches and islands until at least April 19.

The ruling comes as spring weather has begun in Germany and just a day before the Easter holiday weekend, which could entice many to venture outside.

Even though COVID-19 presents an exceptional situation, the court found that the state ban represented a disproportionate encroachment on personal freedom, violating a fundamental right.

Moreover, it found that the restriction was not necessary given the fact that a ban on foreign and domestic tourists would open up more public spaces to residents.

I wonder why a similar case hasn't been taken in the Irish and British courts.

Curious_Case · 13-04-2020 03:03PM

Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »

I know right?

You'd think there was a bloody pandemic with a highly infectious fatal virus or something the way they are acting!

No fair. Bad gubberment.

Haha, nice one

"A pandemic WITH a virus"

Lol, that sounds like a "gubberment" press release

Doctors room ghost · 13-04-2020 03:03PM

Thanks be to god the weather is good.
A cracking day in the west even if you are stuck in the garden.

13-04-2020 03:04PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I know some believe it is negative to criticise how Ireland allowed the virus to get so widespread. Some people maybe feel safe in the delusion that Simon Harris and co have 'played a blinder', maybe the untruth gives comfort.
We only played a blinder when compared to the very worst countries, excluding micro nations we are among the worst affected countries population wise in the world.
Compared to some countries who have similar population or a bit bigger, we have hundreds more deaths.
I take it when people compare us to the UK, they simply want to compare to the worst to make Ireland look better. We should not be comparing ourselves to the worse because that should not be our target. We need to compare to the best and then the truth is, we have been letdown badly by the people in charge and it has cost many many lives. We are all putting on the green jersey when we look for the truth and want better for our country.
Saying how great we are doing when the metric used is against the worst performing countries is a recipe for low standards - this does not help us to be better, we need to compare against the best and acknowledge we have not done anything close to what is deemed good.
We are all trying now to get control of the situation, but in the early days, the inaction, no screening, no quarantining, official advise being it was not the department of health's advice to not visit nursing homes and so on, all this has cost lives.

We can be proud that as a people we are working now to save lives, but it doesn't mean we should be applauding ourselves on doing a good job, when the reality is, we were too slow at the start as the people in power were too busy with a general election and the fallout from it.
This has been a massive failure and the inaction and excuses for it have cost lives, and caused many more people to be ill than should have been.
Being afraid to act and not acting earlier is where we have failed as a country.

To me it is positive to state this as we should all want better and not be sticking our heads in the sand because it is easier to think 'we have done great'.

Belgium, Sweden, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, France, Luxembourg, Switzerland all higher than us. Austria, Denmark, Germany, Portugal- rates close to us. Who are these countries that handled it so much better, when all our neighbours are faring as bad or worse? The countries with similar demographics and links to ourselves. Add to this all the countries that don’t even bother to report deaths outside hospital. Ireland is handling this well in that our health system is still functioning. Everyone who needs treatment is getting it. In a world that was woefully unprepared for this Ireland is managing as well as anyone

eagle eye · 13-04-2020 03:04PM

political analyst wrote:

I wonder why a similar case hasn't been taken in the Irish and British courts.

Probably because the court that would take the case doesn't consider it essential work.

13-04-2020 03:07PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more. Have had extensive experience of the healthcare system in Ireland and sometimes the attitude, bedside manner and even duty of care leaves a lot to be desired. Not going in to details, but there’s a lot of incompetence and outright laziness at the ‘frontline’. I’ve witnessed it, as have many others I know.

That having been said, fair play to all doing their jobs to the correct standard, I’m grateful to have experienced some excellent care first hand.

From my own experience, the frontline is excellent. The management though are only concerned in meeting SLAs and are manipulative in doing so.

My late mother in law was sent for scan after scan after scan and it was a simple case of the system wanting to reset the SLA rather than admit that they couldn’t get her an appointment with a consultant.

Having seen the way they operate, I hope I am wrong, but I am very cautious about the numbers they are publishing.

igCorcaigh · 13-04-2020 03:07PM

What's another year...

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1249699447501656064?s=19

threeball · 13-04-2020 03:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Belgium, Sweden, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, France, Luxembourg, Switzerland all higher than us. Austria, Denmark, Germany, Portugal- rates close to us. Who are these countries that handled it so much better, when all our neighbours are faring as bad or worse? The countries with similar demographics and links to ourselves. Add to this all the countries that don’t even bother to report deaths outside hospital. Ireland is handling this well in that our health system is still functioning. Everyone who needs treatment is getting it. In a world that was woefully unprepared for this Ireland is managing as well as anyone

The usual muppets come out for a bit of government bashing. Somehow we should be the best at everything from soccer to healthcare, to economy. Anything less is a failure. Only the very best in the world are ahead of us. Austria barely ahead is looking at reopening from its lockdown. But ignore that. Theres a bit of moaning to be done

spookwoman · 13-04-2020 03:13PM

when did canada become part of the eu

screamer · 13-04-2020 03:13PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What's another year...

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1249699447501656064?s=19

That should be 0 surprise to anyone, unless they’ve been living under a rock

eagle eye · 13-04-2020 03:14PM

threeball wrote:

The usual muppets come out for a bit of government bashing. Somehow we should be the best at everything from soccer to healthcare, to economy. Anything less is a failure. Only the very best in the world are ahead of us. Austria barely ahead is looking at reopening from its lockdown. But ignore that. Theres a bit of moaning to be done

Austria as a mainland Europe country should not be ahead of us if we were doing a semi-decent job.

threeball · 13-04-2020 03:16PM

spookwoman wrote: »

when did canada become part of the eu

It didnt, but it should. They speak french and everything. They'll fit in better than the brits did.

Strumms · 13-04-2020 03:16PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I must say Im shocked at Italy and Spain rushing to ease restrictions. Cases and deaths have decreased a lot but still a shocking number of new deaths occurring in both countries daily, 400-600 deaths a day is still an incredible number for the size of these countries

I don’t think history will look back on the leaders in these countries with any sort of kindness. Somebody dying from the virus about every 3 minutes. That’s roughly rounding up to a conservative estimation.

13-04-2020 03:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Belgium, Sweden, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, France, Luxembourg, Switzerland all higher than us. Austria, Denmark, Germany, Portugal- rates close to us. Who are these countries that handled it so much better, when all our neighbours are faring as bad or worse? The countries with similar demographics and links to ourselves. Add to this all the countries that don’t even bother to report deaths outside hospital. Ireland is handling this well in that our health system is still functioning. Everyone who needs treatment is getting it. In a world that was woefully unprepared for this Ireland is managing as well as anyone

And the statistics up until last Wednesday show that over 25% of our recorded deaths took place outside of hospitals. In many, if not most, of these countries such deaths would not be included in their statistics. And I suspect that the percentage outside of hospital would be somewhat similar.

13-04-2020 03:18PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What's another year...

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1249699447501656064?s=19

There may never be a vaccine

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 13-04-2020 03:18PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What's another year...

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1249699447501656064?s=19

I'd imagine when pubs are reopened they will have to do so at 50/60pc capacity.

RobertKK · 13-04-2020 03:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Belgium, Sweden, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, France, Luxembourg, Switzerland all higher than us. Austria, Denmark, Germany, Portugal- rates close to us. Who are these countries that handled it so much better, when all our neighbours are faring as bad or worse? The countries with similar demographics and links to ourselves. Add to this all the countries that don’t even bother to report deaths outside hospital. Ireland is handling this well in that our health system is still functioning. Everyone who needs treatment is getting it. In a world that was woefully unprepared for this Ireland is managing as well as anyone

Norway, Finland, Greece, Israel...a number of EU countries in Eastern Europe who took measures earlier than us to control people entering the country.

Our health minister said it was ok for the Italians to come mostly from Northern Italy and to be out and about in Dublin as the risk was far less than being in a crowded stadium.
There was no social distancing, Dublin has over half of all cases in the country.
No screening or quarantining.

You compare to the worse as it suits your narrative that we are doing as well as anyone. This is only the truth if one sets the bar low, and should we not be looking to compare ourselves to those who make us look better simply because they did a bad job too.

Look at the best and realise the truth, admire the best, want that for Ireland. Not look at such a country doing as badly as we are or worse and then coming to the conclusion that means we are doing as good as anyone - that is not the truth, we are way behind the best in Europe.

davemckenna25 · 13-04-2020 03:19PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

I think it's a mistake by the government to give us an extra three weeks extension on the restrictions in such a blase fashion, people will suffer!

Good to know.

Hobgoblin11 · 13-04-2020 03:20PM

Morgan Stanley are predicting the need for rolling lock downs until 2021 when a vaccine should be in circulation

threeball · 13-04-2020 03:21PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Austria as a mainland Europe country should not be ahead of us if we were doing a semi-decent job.

They had the benefit of having access to huge testing capacity so they could get their contact tracing under control quickly. Very similar to the germans in culture of doing things too so you can see both countries have fared well

eagle eye · 13-04-2020 03:22PM

Where are the hardest hit counties per capita?

13-04-2020 03:22PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Austria as a mainland Europe country should not be ahead of us if we were doing a semi-decent job.

It’s not a competition. The virus does not do an assessment of a countries systems before spreading. It goes where it goes and Austria may have been lucky it avoided nursing homes, they may have a healthier population in general, or like a lot of countries they may not be reporting all the non hospital deaths. Who knows

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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