Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Professor Moriarty · 13-04-2020 11:52AM

Strumms wrote: »

Frontline staff are superheroes, I had to find out the hard way. The ‘system’ is absolutely fücked though... the next politician or the next anyone who goes on about us having the ‘best healthcare in the world’ or even a ‘world class health system’ I’m going to personally try get them sectioned.

You're going to have to be very creative if you want to improve our health service over the next five years. Our economy will be on its knees so government coffers will be very bare.

wakka12 · 13-04-2020 11:53AM

Four North Korean military doctors die with symptoms of COVID , still no confirmed cases in the country

https://www.dailynk.com/english/four-north-korean-military-hospital-doctors-die-symptoms-similar-covid-19/

Rob A. Bank · 13-04-2020 11:53AM

An powerful rendition of ‘Amazing Grace’ to the empty Piazza del Duomo, literally the center of Milan, and so emotional to hear the blind Andrea Bocelli emphasize the lines “was blind, but now I see”.

From Andrea Bocelli: Music For Hope - Live From Duomo di Milano yesterday (@ 18.35 rewind for the complete 25 minute performance)

The Irish connection to the hymn, Donegal weather, Tory Island, Buncrana and Lough Swilly.

Gynoid · 13-04-2020 11:55AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

An powerful rendition of ‘Amazing Grace’ to the empty Piazza del Duomo, literally the center of Milan, and so emotional to hear the blind Andrea Bocelli emphasize the lines “was blind, but now I see”.

From Andrea Bocelli: Music For Hope - Live From Duomo di Milano yesterday (@ 18.35 rewind for the complete 25 minute performance)

The Irish connection to the hymn, Donegal weather, Tory Island, Buncrana and Lough Swilly.

I watched it yesterday. More blooming secret onion choppers got into my living room!

13-04-2020 11:56AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Lastly, get private patients the fuck out of public hospitals. If you want to go private, go to the Beacon or whatever. No need for them to be bed blockers in the public system at all.

I agree that public and private should be totally seperate. However there are two issues.

Firstly, people with private insurance are now, and should always be, fully entitled to use public hospitals, provided they attend and are treated as public patients - no differentiation. After all they have paid for the public system through their taxes just like everybody else.

Secondly, the public hospitals currently rely on private patients for a large part of their funding - to the tune of about €500 million per year. There would have to be an increase in public funding to compensate for this.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0826/1070964-report-shows-cost-of-removing-private-healthcare-from-public-hospitals/

otnomart · 13-04-2020 11:56AM

bilston wrote: »

It may be down to Easter but yesterday saw the lowest percentage of new cases in both Spain and Italy. I suppose we will get a better picture in the next few days but hopefully it is further progress.

Obviously some restrictions are being lifted today in Italy and particularly Spain.

Italy has only allowed stationary shops, bookshops and shops selling childen clothing, to reopen. However, some Italian regions have regulated in order to still keep them closed.
Lockdown will continue at least until 3 May.
https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2020/04/10/coronavirus-lockdown-extended-until-may-3-says-conte_3f287881-3aee-41f7-9ecb-230d146d1f84.html

Spain is reopening factories and constructions sites. https://english.elpais.com/economy_and_business/2020-04-12/wash-clothes-at-60c-and-stay-two-meters-apart-the-spanish-governments-guide-for-returning-workers.html

embraer170 · 13-04-2020 11:57AM

NHS COVID-19 decision support tool:
http://prod-upp-image-read.ft.com/765d3430-7a57-11ea-af44-daa3def9ae03?fbclid=IwAR1aKxYPL4zwSsMjmZ0Ob5Vqzj9DLfqSDcIy0FlQSOfjpJib7qkh5xQ8hqs

The UK (and perhaps Ireland?) seem to have a pretty high requirements for allowing ICU-based care. I wonder what the approach is in Italy, Spain, etc.?

easypazz · 13-04-2020 11:58AM

joe_99 wrote: »

You stated 275 in ICU. Went corrected with great news that it dropping from last week to 148. This is how you respond?

Some lads thrive on negativity.

Hobgoblin11 · 13-04-2020 12:00PM

I think it's a mistake by the government to give us an extra three weeks extension on the restrictions in such a blase fashion, people will suffer!

wakka12 · 13-04-2020 12:01PM

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid19-pakistan-muslims-flout-mosque-ban-12637570

Thousands of Pakistanis flout social distancing rules to attend mass services because 'god is with us' and will protect them from coronavirus

froog · 13-04-2020 12:05PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

I think it's a mistake by the government to give us an extra three weeks extension on the restrictions in such a blase fashion, people will suffer!

people are dying every day ffs

wakka12 · 13-04-2020 12:06PM

Indonesia to increase testing capacity, it is now among the lowest rate in the world, testing just 27,000 out of a population of 270 million . With almost 4500 positive cases and 400 deaths

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-reports-316-new-coronavirus-cases-26-deaths

"Indonesia has become a hot spot," Dr Dono Widiatmoko, senior lecturer at the College of Health and Social Care at the University of Derby.

"The detection rate in the country has been very low, therefore statistically we don't appear to be one, while the reality is we are already a hot spot."

It is predicted that almost 100,000 Indoesians will contract coronavirus over the next two weeks

podgeandrodge · 13-04-2020 12:06PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

I think it's a mistake by the government to give us an extra three weeks extension on the restrictions in such a blase fashion, people will suffer!

There is plenty of concern that lifting too soon risks a sudden increase of cases. We don't want to return to that. A little more pain now, and more normality in the future.

Widdensushi · 13-04-2020 12:14PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

There is plenty of concern that lifting too soon risks a sudden increase of cases. We don't want to return to that. A little more pain now, and more normality in the future.

rubbish, it's not going to be gone when we open the door so we should try to open the doors if the hospitals are coping well which they are, bring in more restrictions again when they are projected to get near capacity

Sober Crappy Chemis · 13-04-2020 12:20PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

I think it's a mistake by the government to give us an extra three weeks extension on the restrictions in such a blase fashion, people will suffer!

I know right?

You'd think there was a bloody pandemic with a highly infectious fatal virus or something the way they are acting!

No fair. Bad gubberment.

Hobgoblin11 · 13-04-2020 12:21PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

There is plenty of concern that lifting too soon risks a sudden increase of cases. We don't want to return to that. A little more pain now, and more normality in the future.

they should assess it week to week

bodhrandude · 13-04-2020 12:21PM

This thread is at a more catch uppable phase at one point you would be reading a page and fifteen more would appear.

Discodog · 13-04-2020 12:22PM

Interesting debate in the Uk & possibly here regarding treatments. A group of experts want approval for antibody blood plasma treatment & the head of the transfusion service said that they were ready to produce large amounts. However the NHS officials, minister etc won't allow it.

The experts fear that bureaucracy & red tape will slow down treatments including vaccines. Big public organisations like the NHS & HSE aren't good at quick decisions.

poppers · 13-04-2020 12:28PM

Discodog wrote: »

Interesting debate in the Uk & possibly here regarding treatments. A group of experts want approval for antibody blood plasma treatment & the head of the transfusion service said that they were ready to produce large amounts. However the NHS officials, minister etc won't allow it.

The experts fear that bureaucracy & red tape will slow down treatments including vaccines. Big public organisations like the NHS & HSE aren't good at quick decisions.

you can see their point if they rush to approve a drug/treatment and in a couple of yrs it turns out it causes diffent issues for paitient then their would be a line of laywers/claimants lineinung up from one end of the country to the high court.

RugbyLad11 · 13-04-2020 12:29PM

Spain and Italy are beginning to lift restrictions from today even though they are still getting hundreds of cases everyday

Professor Moriarty · 13-04-2020 12:29PM

poppers wrote: »

you can see their point if they rush to approve a drug/treatment and in a couple of yrs it turns out it causes diffent issues for paitient then their would be a line of laywers/claimants lineinung up from one end of the country to the high court.

I wonder if drug companies/governments could put in a disclaimer that would be legally valid?

wakka12 · 13-04-2020 12:32PM

I must say Im shocked at Italy and Spain rushing to ease restrictions. Cases and deaths have decreased a lot but still a shocking number of new deaths occurring in both countries daily, 400-600 deaths a day is still an incredible number for the size of these countries

fin12 · 13-04-2020 12:34PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I must say Im shocked at Italy and Spain rushing to ease restrictions. Cases and deaths have decreased a lot but still a shocking number of new deaths occurring in both countries daily, 400-600 deaths a day is still an incredible number

I read an article where they said a lot of people in the south of Italy work cash in hand jobs so not entitled to any welfare. They will literally starve or have to rob supermarkets if they can’t go back to work.

Iamabeliever · 13-04-2020 12:34PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

they should assess it week to week

Are they not?

Sam Russell · 13-04-2020 12:37PM

Wildlife Actor wrote: »

Can someone help me with timelines here? So if Tony Holohan tells us we have 500 "new cases" this evening, when are they likely to have been infected?

Let's say I get sneezed on and infected on day 1. Presumably it could be 10 to 14 days before I develop symptoms. I wait a day or two, hoping against hope. Then I go to the Doc who says, OK you're a proper person to send for a test. Then I wait X days for a test, get tested, and then I wait Y days for the result. Then I'm a "new case".

Isn't it possible (even leaving aside the delayed German tests) that a lot of "new cases" are actually people who were infected up to 4 weeks ago? Possibly longer?

Sorry if this has been asked and answered multiple times before.

Which is why testing is secondary for victims. If you get the virus on Day 1, and get symptoms on Day 7, Then you will be at home recovering, in hospital recovering, in ICU fighting for your life, or the not nice alternative. These will happen whether you are tested or not.

However, testing allows for contact tracing, and for the health service to track the development of the outbreak and provision services to fight the epidemic. It also helps if the health professionals are tested to allow them back to work in the fastest time that is safe.

If people have been swabbed, they should get the result even if it is of not much use but it at least settles their concerns. Other than that, they are history.

tobefrank321 · 13-04-2020 12:38PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Let's look at what your purposing...

You want to close the borders, but not for Irish citizens, so the borders would be kinda be open. What do you do about Northern Ireland - are you going to put the Irish army on the border? Serious question there?

Hotels are empty - Who feeds the people staying in the hotel - do the workers in the hotel now have to stay in isolation for the entire time so not to pass on any potential infection into the community?

You want to make some exceptions for people, if they have the correct papers - so your happy for these people not to be quarantined.

Like your logic makes no sense, given there are so few coming into the country in the first place, and those who are, are more than likely isolating anyway.

There have been a few "social media" folk, who arrived home in Ireland in the last 2 week and you see the flights and airports are empty and that they go into isolation - rent an air bnb somewhere and stay there for 2 weeks.

It's all well and good to say close this airport and that - but when the government are introducing the 2km restriction for Irish people, people are complaining on here, and wanting to visit folk 100km away.

Lets look at what your proposing. Zero controls and restrictions for anyone coming in from a hotspot like London and allow them off into the community.

6 months in and you still don't understand that 1 case in China led to almost 2 million cases and 100,000 deaths.

You also don't understand that all our cases originally stemmed from people travelling from overseas and the UK.

Control and restrictions on borders are a critical part of resolving this. They are just one part but a very important part.

Allinall · 13-04-2020 12:38PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

they should assess it week to week

They are assessing it day to day, never mind week to week.

Sam Russell · 13-04-2020 12:39PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I wonder if drug companies/governments could put in a disclaimer that would be legally valid?

They are called 'trials'. Sometimes they have good outcomes, sometimes not so much.

bekker · 13-04-2020 12:40PM

Useful article from yesterday's Guardian on reliable sources and comparing countries, doesn't appear to have been posted previously.

Coronavirus statistics: what can we trust and what should we ignore?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/coronavirus-statistics-what-can-we-trust-and-what-should-we-ignore#maincontent

Christy42 · 13-04-2020 12:42PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I wonder if drug companies/governments could put in a disclaimer that would be legally valid?

Not enough people would go for that. I wouldn't. I mean looking at he figures there is a small chance I get this while staying at home and even then a 0.2% chance of me dying so the odds of very serious harm are overall quite slim. If I don't trust the vaccine then I am not going for it. I don't get to see my mum and granny for a bit longer but I can deal.

If it has gone through testing etc. as per every other vaccine I have been given in my life then that is fine.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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