Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

PowerToWait · 13-04-2020 12:39PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Hang on pal. My brother is frontline too. Ive had plenty of bad experiences in irish hospitals with both nurses and doctors. The people like myself who stay at home and watch Netflix will save thousamds of lives directly.

My mother was left in her own excrement for 3 hours while 5 nurses were at the station drinking tea. I had to ask 6 times for her to be looked after and the attitude was appalling. I really hope those people dont work in the hospitals anymore.

I fully respect the hard workers putting the hours in to look after the poorly but the system is ****e for mulitple reasons. Not just over admin or governance issue but frontline problems too

Covid 19 hasnt changed the fact the health service is shocking.

Couldn’t agree more. Have had extensive experience of the healthcare system in Ireland and sometimes the attitude, bedside manner and even duty of care leaves a lot to be desired. Not going in to details, but there’s a lot of incompetence and outright laziness at the ‘frontline’. I’ve witnessed it, as have many others I know.

That having been said, fair play to all doing their jobs to the correct standard, I’m grateful to have experienced some excellent care first hand.

BattleCorp · 13-04-2020 12:40PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Lastly, get private patients the fuck out of public hospitals. If you want to go private, go to the Beacon or whatever. No need for them to be bed blockers in the public system at all.

Why are they bedblockers? If they didn't have private health insurance, they'd be there anyway and the HSE would be getting fcuk all money towards their care. At least this way, the HSE get paid for looking after them.

Professor Moriarty · 13-04-2020 12:42PM

bilston wrote: »

It projects another 1,500 deaths in Spain between now and August...I'd be delighted if that were the case but unfortunately there will probably be another 1,500 deaths in Spain by the end of the week.

Interesting read anyway.

Spain's deaths per day is staying at the upper end of their predictions but the curve is right. Following that curve, you might see 3000 more deaths by August. Which they would probably settle for.

polesheep · 13-04-2020 12:42PM

Tony EH wrote: »

There's a silly idea that goes around that our healthcare system is a disaster, when the truth is very different. Sure, there are issues that need sorting within it and there are some horror stories. But that's replicated in every system.

We could improve things in immediate terms though, by getting people with colds and flu symptoms to stay away from A+E. People like that need to just cop on. Also, unnecessary GP referrals are a large strain on the same dept. Been there myself for a simple complaint that even I knew was treatable with a simple course of antibiotics.

Lastly, get private patients the fuck out of public hospitals. If you want to go private, go to the Beacon or whatever. No need for them to be bed blockers in the public system at all.

Our healthcare system is a disaster. Many of the staff are excellent, but the system is definitely a disaster.

polesheep · 13-04-2020 12:44PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more. Have had extensive experience of the healthcare system in Ireland and sometimes the attitude, bedside manner and even duty of care leaves a lot to be desired. Not going in to details, but there’s a lot of incompetence and outright laziness at the ‘frontline’. I’ve witnessed it, as have many others I know.

That having been said, fair play to all doing their jobs to the correct standard, I’m grateful to have experienced some excellent care first hand.

This couldn't be further from the truth. Perhaps you weren't au fait with the work being done. The frontline staff in our hospitals are extremely professional and caring.

Wombatman · 13-04-2020 12:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What a stupid comment. Have you ever been in a hospital ward? You don't just start stripping beds and cleaning patients without proper equipment and training.

Have you evey changed a babies nappy or soiled bed? What equipment or PPE did you use?

Get a grip will ya. Hospital Ward's and bathrooms have toilet paper and mop up paper. Get off your arse and do something.

podgeandrodge · 13-04-2020 12:47PM

smelly sock wrote: »

I think we have peaked and the worst is behind us. I fully agree with lockdown for another 7 days but until the 5th of May is crazy stuff. It smacks of the govt and HSE not having any coherent plan to get the country back working etc.

Ok. Well now that you've decided what's best, and you clearly have access to information that Leo & Co could only dream about, contact them and get things going so!

Strumms · 13-04-2020 12:47PM

polesheep wrote: »

Our healthcare system is a disaster. Many of the staff are excellent, but the system is definitely a disaster.

Frontline staff are superheroes, I had to find out the hard way. The ‘system’ is absolutely fücked though... the next politician or the next anyone who goes on about us having the ‘best healthcare in the world’ or even a ‘world class health system’ I’m going to personally try get them sectioned.

Professor Moriarty · 13-04-2020 12:52PM

Strumms wrote: »

Frontline staff are superheroes, I had to find out the hard way. The ‘system’ is absolutely fücked though... the next politician or the next anyone who goes on about us having the ‘best healthcare in the world’ or even a ‘world class health system’ I’m going to personally try get them sectioned.

You're going to have to be very creative if you want to improve our health service over the next five years. Our economy will be on its knees so government coffers will be very bare.

wakka12 · 13-04-2020 12:53PM

Four North Korean military doctors die with symptoms of COVID , still no confirmed cases in the country

https://www.dailynk.com/english/four-north-korean-military-hospital-doctors-die-symptoms-similar-covid-19/

Rob A. Bank · 13-04-2020 12:53PM

An powerful rendition of ‘Amazing Grace’ to the empty Piazza del Duomo, literally the center of Milan, and so emotional to hear the blind Andrea Bocelli emphasize the lines “was blind, but now I see”.

From Andrea Bocelli: Music For Hope - Live From Duomo di Milano yesterday (@ 18.35 rewind for the complete 25 minute performance)

The Irish connection to the hymn, Donegal weather, Tory Island, Buncrana and Lough Swilly.

Gynoid · 13-04-2020 12:55PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

An powerful rendition of ‘Amazing Grace’ to the empty Piazza del Duomo, literally the center of Milan, and so emotional to hear the blind Andrea Bocelli emphasize the lines “was blind, but now I see”.

From Andrea Bocelli: Music For Hope - Live From Duomo di Milano yesterday (@ 18.35 rewind for the complete 25 minute performance)

The Irish connection to the hymn, Donegal weather, Tory Island, Buncrana and Lough Swilly.

I watched it yesterday. More blooming secret onion choppers got into my living room!

13-04-2020 12:56PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Lastly, get private patients the fuck out of public hospitals. If you want to go private, go to the Beacon or whatever. No need for them to be bed blockers in the public system at all.

I agree that public and private should be totally seperate. However there are two issues.

Firstly, people with private insurance are now, and should always be, fully entitled to use public hospitals, provided they attend and are treated as public patients - no differentiation. After all they have paid for the public system through their taxes just like everybody else.

Secondly, the public hospitals currently rely on private patients for a large part of their funding - to the tune of about €500 million per year. There would have to be an increase in public funding to compensate for this.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0826/1070964-report-shows-cost-of-removing-private-healthcare-from-public-hospitals/

otnomart · 13-04-2020 12:56PM

bilston wrote: »

It may be down to Easter but yesterday saw the lowest percentage of new cases in both Spain and Italy. I suppose we will get a better picture in the next few days but hopefully it is further progress.

Obviously some restrictions are being lifted today in Italy and particularly Spain.

Italy has only allowed stationary shops, bookshops and shops selling childen clothing, to reopen. However, some Italian regions have regulated in order to still keep them closed.
Lockdown will continue at least until 3 May.
https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2020/04/10/coronavirus-lockdown-extended-until-may-3-says-conte_3f287881-3aee-41f7-9ecb-230d146d1f84.html

Spain is reopening factories and constructions sites. https://english.elpais.com/economy_and_business/2020-04-12/wash-clothes-at-60c-and-stay-two-meters-apart-the-spanish-governments-guide-for-returning-workers.html

embraer170 · 13-04-2020 12:57PM

NHS COVID-19 decision support tool:
http://prod-upp-image-read.ft.com/765d3430-7a57-11ea-af44-daa3def9ae03?fbclid=IwAR1aKxYPL4zwSsMjmZ0Ob5Vqzj9DLfqSDcIy0FlQSOfjpJib7qkh5xQ8hqs

The UK (and perhaps Ireland?) seem to have a pretty high requirements for allowing ICU-based care. I wonder what the approach is in Italy, Spain, etc.?

easypazz · 13-04-2020 12:58PM

joe_99 wrote: »

You stated 275 in ICU. Went corrected with great news that it dropping from last week to 148. This is how you respond?

Some lads thrive on negativity.

Hobgoblin11 · 13-04-2020 01:00PM

I think it's a mistake by the government to give us an extra three weeks extension on the restrictions in such a blase fashion, people will suffer!

wakka12 · 13-04-2020 01:01PM

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid19-pakistan-muslims-flout-mosque-ban-12637570

Thousands of Pakistanis flout social distancing rules to attend mass services because 'god is with us' and will protect them from coronavirus

froog · 13-04-2020 01:05PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

I think it's a mistake by the government to give us an extra three weeks extension on the restrictions in such a blase fashion, people will suffer!

people are dying every day ffs

wakka12 · 13-04-2020 01:06PM

Indonesia to increase testing capacity, it is now among the lowest rate in the world, testing just 27,000 out of a population of 270 million . With almost 4500 positive cases and 400 deaths

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-reports-316-new-coronavirus-cases-26-deaths

"Indonesia has become a hot spot," Dr Dono Widiatmoko, senior lecturer at the College of Health and Social Care at the University of Derby.

"The detection rate in the country has been very low, therefore statistically we don't appear to be one, while the reality is we are already a hot spot."

It is predicted that almost 100,000 Indoesians will contract coronavirus over the next two weeks

podgeandrodge · 13-04-2020 01:06PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

I think it's a mistake by the government to give us an extra three weeks extension on the restrictions in such a blase fashion, people will suffer!

There is plenty of concern that lifting too soon risks a sudden increase of cases. We don't want to return to that. A little more pain now, and more normality in the future.

Widdensushi · 13-04-2020 01:14PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

There is plenty of concern that lifting too soon risks a sudden increase of cases. We don't want to return to that. A little more pain now, and more normality in the future.

rubbish, it's not going to be gone when we open the door so we should try to open the doors if the hospitals are coping well which they are, bring in more restrictions again when they are projected to get near capacity

Sober Crappy Chemis · 13-04-2020 01:20PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

I think it's a mistake by the government to give us an extra three weeks extension on the restrictions in such a blase fashion, people will suffer!

I know right?

You'd think there was a bloody pandemic with a highly infectious fatal virus or something the way they are acting!

No fair. Bad gubberment.

Hobgoblin11 · 13-04-2020 01:21PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

There is plenty of concern that lifting too soon risks a sudden increase of cases. We don't want to return to that. A little more pain now, and more normality in the future.

they should assess it week to week

bodhrandude · 13-04-2020 01:21PM

This thread is at a more catch uppable phase at one point you would be reading a page and fifteen more would appear.

Discodog · 13-04-2020 01:22PM

Interesting debate in the Uk & possibly here regarding treatments. A group of experts want approval for antibody blood plasma treatment & the head of the transfusion service said that they were ready to produce large amounts. However the NHS officials, minister etc won't allow it.

The experts fear that bureaucracy & red tape will slow down treatments including vaccines. Big public organisations like the NHS & HSE aren't good at quick decisions.

poppers · 13-04-2020 01:28PM

Discodog wrote: »

Interesting debate in the Uk & possibly here regarding treatments. A group of experts want approval for antibody blood plasma treatment & the head of the transfusion service said that they were ready to produce large amounts. However the NHS officials, minister etc won't allow it.

The experts fear that bureaucracy & red tape will slow down treatments including vaccines. Big public organisations like the NHS & HSE aren't good at quick decisions.

you can see their point if they rush to approve a drug/treatment and in a couple of yrs it turns out it causes diffent issues for paitient then their would be a line of laywers/claimants lineinung up from one end of the country to the high court.

RugbyLad11 · 13-04-2020 01:29PM

Spain and Italy are beginning to lift restrictions from today even though they are still getting hundreds of cases everyday

Professor Moriarty · 13-04-2020 01:29PM

poppers wrote: »

you can see their point if they rush to approve a drug/treatment and in a couple of yrs it turns out it causes diffent issues for paitient then their would be a line of laywers/claimants lineinung up from one end of the country to the high court.

I wonder if drug companies/governments could put in a disclaimer that would be legally valid?

wakka12 · 13-04-2020 01:32PM

I must say Im shocked at Italy and Spain rushing to ease restrictions. Cases and deaths have decreased a lot but still a shocking number of new deaths occurring in both countries daily, 400-600 deaths a day is still an incredible number for the size of these countries

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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